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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 26, 2015 15:52:17 GMT -5
A member of a tag team who held the World title and main evented Wrestlemania while his partner never went about IC status. Not that much of a stretch. Let's not pretend Miz had a ten year run on top. He won the title, feuded with Jerry Lawler, was the third wheel in a one on one match at Wrestlemania, lost the title and then never sniffed main event status again. I'd say Miz has had a better run than Morrison even ignoring that 4 or 5 month period, but I don't think it's a night and day difference. And lets not pretend that he has no accomplishments. In the terms of this thread, who's the Janetty, The Miz is the HBK, as big a disparity in talent between those guys as there is. Another team mentioned is Men on a Mission, a team where Mabel is Shawn Michaels, doesn't mean he was as good, just that he was the more successful member of the team.
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Post by Diamond Cutter Out of Nowhere! on Sept 26, 2015 15:55:23 GMT -5
Comparing Miz in any way to HBK is a tremendous stretch to me. A member of a tag team who held the World title and main evented Wrestlemania while his partner never went about IC status. Not that much of a stretch. In that way, it makes sense. Comparing Miz to HBK in any other way, I can't buy it. But, to be fair, I'm not a Miz fan in the slightest.
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Post by Sam Punk on Sept 26, 2015 15:55:44 GMT -5
Mr America from Edge/Mr America.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Sept 26, 2015 16:22:25 GMT -5
Marty is light years ahead of virtually every other tag team wrestler when it comes to constant failure and wasting a promising career post breakup.
The fact that someone who achieved so much in their career like Christian is regarded as a "Janetty" by some astounds me.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Sept 26, 2015 16:55:38 GMT -5
To me, "The Jannetty" doesn't just mean someone who fails compared to their more successful partner, it's someone who stubbornly continues doing the tag team's old gimmick even after the breakup.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 17:15:43 GMT -5
To me, "The Jannetty" doesn't just mean someone who fails compared to their more successful partner, it's someone who stubbornly continues doing the tag team's old gimmick even after the breakup. RO-MAN RE-IGNS HE-E'S THE JANETTY RO-MAN RE-IGNS WILLSTOPWEARINGVESTSWHENHE'SGOODANDREADY
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 17:51:42 GMT -5
I'll get a few of the easy, bigger ones out of the way: Matt Hardy of The Hardy Boyz Christian of E&C Jim Neidhart of The Hart Foundation I'd also throw in Ray Rougeau of The Fabulous Rougeau Brothers. I suppose, but Ray didn't want to wrestle too long anyway. He got a nice check doing French commentary. Besides, not too many people can put up with Jacques for very long. He's frickin' irritating.
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Sept 26, 2015 18:07:43 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy tried as hard as he could to be The Janetty, promoters just would not allow it.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Sept 26, 2015 18:09:48 GMT -5
Men on a Mission deserve special mention here, because I've never seen any other tag team so transparently designed to only get ONE guy from it over.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Sept 26, 2015 19:05:25 GMT -5
How, Ron was a former WCW World Heavyweight, World Tag and U.S. Tag champion before the WWF. Of course he was. He had a great career. But the "Janetty" is decided after the team breaks up--not before. After the APA broke up, JBL had the stronger career. And to be fair, Butch Reed was the Jannetty of Doom. Dynamite Kid in the British Bulldogs. Davey Boy gets a solid upper-midcard run, Dynamite burns out. Fake Razor Ramon. He disappears while Fake Diesel goes on to become Kane. Akeem. Twin Towers break up, Big Boss Man has a few more good years left. If Demolition had a Jannetty, it would probably be the original Smash, Randy Culley.
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Post by moondoggie on Sept 26, 2015 19:16:46 GMT -5
Cryme Tyme - Shad was the Jannetty as he had backstage heat alot and ended up getting released while JTG had a bit longer career and had a bit more popularity even though he didn’t get to do much after the split.
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Post by schma on Sept 26, 2015 19:26:42 GMT -5
Calling anyone the Jannetty is problematic with no definition. Do you mean that one member was simply less successful in general or specifically after the team? Do you mean someone who as others said was so plagued by demons that no one would chance pushing him?
Scott Hall at his darkest almost went that way and probably would have been a world champ in WWE and/or WCW if not for his demons. Jeff Hardy somehow became popular enough that other companies were willing to ignore his demons.
Still seeing names like Rick Steiner, Jim Neidhart and Ron Simmons makes me think people don't get it. They all had established careers before their tag teams and no one could say their career was a great big blob of lost potential like Janetty's was.
For Dynamite kid didn't he break his neck which ended his career? That'd be like calling Droz the Janetty of his and Albert's team.
Miz I believe quietly sad to Morrison, "I told you I wasn't the Jannetty".
That said, I think it partly says something about Vince's never ending quest to recreate Shawn that being the "Janetty" is such a commonplace term because the rule rather than the exception is that eventually a team will split and one will rise.
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Post by Chainsaw on Sept 26, 2015 19:49:54 GMT -5
Khali is the Jannetty of the New York Giants.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Sept 26, 2015 20:01:29 GMT -5
Why is it the Janetty when the Anvil in terms of Hart Foundation seems more apt. Janetty had personal demons, who knows what he might have been, Anvil was absolutely a tag team guy and teamed with a guy who ended up a multitime World Champion.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Sept 26, 2015 22:28:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I have to say the APA doesn't fit here. As others have said it was more of the end of Simmons career "holding him back" rather than any of the OPs criteria. Side by side, from start to finish, I'd put their careers about even actually. The comparison and discussion is definitely worthy of it's own thread. I'd say it fits here as a curious aside--certainly not the main type of example. Overall, the APA is an interesting case of a very successful team that originally consisted of two guys just thrown together because they were going nowhere. One member had his best singles run before it and one had his best run after it. To be fair, though, Simmons' retirement does make it a touch different. So if we play the game where every team has a Janetty (and I'd say obviously they don't)... Who was the Janetty of the Blade Runners? Sting or Warrior?
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Post by schma on Sept 26, 2015 22:36:56 GMT -5
Yeah, I have to say the APA doesn't fit here. As others have said it was more of the end of Simmons career "holding him back" rather than any of the OPs criteria. Side by side, from start to finish, I'd put their careers about even actually. The comparison and discussion is definitely worthy of it's own thread. I'd say it fits here as a curious aside--certainly not the main type of example. Overall, the APA is an interesting case of a very successful team that originally consisted of two guys just thrown together because they were going nowhere. One member had his best singles run before it and one had his best run after it. To be fair, though, Simmons' retirement does make it a touch different. So if we play the game where every team has a Janetty (and I'd say obviously they don't)... Who was the Janetty of the Blade Runners? Sting or Warrior? Warrior. Yeah he was huge but his time as Warrior was pretty damn short (relatively) in the WWE and his run in WCW was a cup of coffee that had a great build with a complete crap ending. Sting spent over a decade at the top or near it before and during wrestling's most recent boom. Yeah his TNA run might have tarnished things but so many people were still thrilled to see him step into a WWE ring. This is a guy who never really burned any bridges and is highly respected. Warrior spent many years on the outs with the big players in wrestling. Remember that dvd WWE made that pretty much buried him?
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 26, 2015 22:46:16 GMT -5
The problem with the Jannetty/Michaels comparisons is that usually, neither of the people in broken tag teams cited are anywhere near as talented as either of those guys, and WWE rarely gives the "Michaels" any lasting push.
Most broken tag teams in WWE end up being more like New Rockers than the Rockers.
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Post by alexwrightspackage on Sept 26, 2015 23:45:30 GMT -5
Calling anyone the Jannetty is problematic with no definition. Do you mean that one member was simply less successful in general or specifically after the team? Do you mean someone who as others said was so plagued by demons that no one would chance pushing him? Still seeing names like Rick Steiner, Jim Neidhart and Ron Simmons makes me think people don't get it. They all had established careers before their tag teams and no one could say their career was a great big blob of lost potential like Janetty's was. To your second point, I think I'd only count after a team breaks up. If anything, it's a compliment to the Halls and Ron Simmonseseses that they did well as both singles and tag. Though there is that wrinkle of an older wrestler who'll likely retire/at least start winding down after their tag team run anyway, so they don't have a shot at glory for too long after in the first place. I just think the Rockers are just the most obvious (infamous?) example. To some extent in real life, but mostly in a kayfabe way; John Morrison was loads more entertaining than Miz in the ring, but as another poster pointed out, Miz stayed and won the title like HBK, and Jomo got a (somehow even more) forgettable run with the IC title, and has been gone from the spotlight. I don't think anyone's been defining it as the personal demons one? Otherwise I can say Len Bias is the Jannetty to Dennis Rodman/Arvydas Sabonis of the '86 NBA Draft. And that's too dark and depressing to think about! So in my head, it's definitely more that when a tag team breaks up, their careers aren't going to be equal after, one being more successful than the other (in terms of longevity and/or titles). In other real life comparisons, it's the other Jackson 5 guys to Michael Jackson, or the other Nsync guys to Justin Timberlake. Inevitably, when a group splits, everyone's going to have different levels of success but perhaps one of them will hit such highs, anything done by the other(s) post-breakup will look like a failure. For instance, I'd say Christian's done well for himself (even including his TNA run, and how many can say their TNA work actually helps their resume??), but Edge's career was just paved with gold in the latter part. So yeah, I think it's more of a kayfabe stats thing than anyone insulting the other team member. On top of the fact that this is straight up all for funsies, and I doubt anyone here would/can really disrespect the hard work and sacrifice of any pro wrestler (except for Jose Lothario). So with all that said, who will be the Jannetty of the New Day...
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Sept 27, 2015 0:06:15 GMT -5
No way in hell should the first black World champion be called a "Janetty".
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Post by chazraps on Sept 27, 2015 0:17:18 GMT -5
Not every team has a Janetty, you weirdos.
The "Janetty" stigma comes from the HUGE discrepancy between Shawn and Marty's post-Rockers careers. You had one guy who became universally considered one of the greatest performers of all time, and the other guy who could never escape the shadow of the tag team itself.
Two guys having successful singles run with one achieving more does not a "Janetty" make.
Christian is not a Janetty. John Morrison is not a Janetty. Tito Santana is not a Janetty. Ron Simmons is not a Janetty. Even Chavo is not a Janetty.
A "Janetty" is a Brian Dunkleman. Look at a team and think, is one of them really a Brian Dunkleman?
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