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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Oct 7, 2015 11:27:28 GMT -5
I think with a 97 win team facing a 96 win team in a one game playoff this is a good time to talk about it. Honestly I don't get it. Its all an arbitrary collection of teams anyway so why reward teams that beat out a lesser group with a better prize. NFL has it with the division winner getting the home game in the wild card even if they are under .500. Its helping my Mets this year but really if it was fair it'd be Mets and Dodgers in a one game playoff tonight. NHL used to do it where the (usually the Eastern division's southern conference) would get the 3rd seed despite being lesser then that making it weird to reward the 6th place team in the conference with an easier matchup. Of course hell if I know what the NHL is doing with the current playoff format.
Its the one thing the NBA is getting right concerning the playoff format.
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Post by domrep on Oct 7, 2015 11:42:08 GMT -5
Not like these teams play 20 games and win the division. 162 game season, 8 months of baseball, it's a grind. It's well deserved.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Oct 7, 2015 11:52:41 GMT -5
Not like these teams play 20 games and win the division. 162 game season, 8 months of baseball, it's a grind. It's well deserved. Is it more deserved then the other team that has a better record?
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Post by Reflecto on Oct 7, 2015 18:33:01 GMT -5
It's never going to be evened up as long as there's this uneven playoff of five teams- a big reason the NBA can be fair is the 16-team format
Bare minimum, you'd need to get to eight teams to make it remotely fair there, turning it to an NBA Playoffs-style of:
1- Kansas City vs. 8- Cleveland (or Baltimore, assuming making up the 80th game/one-game playoff beyond that) 4- Houston vs. 5- Yankees 2- Toronto vs. 7- Minnesota 3- Texas vs. 6- Angels
1- St. Louis vs. 8- Arizona (and considering they're sub-.500, that should say the other weakness there.) 4- Mets vs. 5- Cubs (Cubs get home-field) 2- Pittsburgh vs. 7- Washington 3- Dodgers (due to the "division champ issue) vs. 6- San Francisco
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Post by The_Don_Mecha on Oct 7, 2015 21:56:49 GMT -5
If you can't decide a team's fate in 162 games, then what's the point of playing all of those games? There have to be tie-breakers to get the 8 best teams in the tournament. The NFL can do it, the NBA can do it and the NHL does it. Why not MLB?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 8, 2015 7:00:31 GMT -5
If you can't decide a team's fate in 162 games, then what's the point of playing all of those games? There have to be tie-breakers to get the 8 best teams in the tournament. The NFL can do it, the NBA can do it and the NHL does it. Why not MLB? Because MLB is run by a bunch of jackasses?
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Oct 8, 2015 13:58:59 GMT -5
Baseball is the best (used to be) because its regular season matter(ed).
I HATE the NBA and NHL's setup where the regular season doesn't matter enough. BUT, the NHL's playoffs are great. Basically, their playoffs ARE the season.
But baseball, trying to have it both ways. Can't do that.
The solution: dismantle all divisions. American League and National League only, not six divisions. "But what about my rivialries?" Ok, screw interleague play. (Which is terrible anyway.)
And if you're going to keep six teams advancing, then for Honus sake, make the five-six Wildcard a three game series.
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As for NBA and NHL, there needs to be a way to make the regular season actually mean something. Here is the answer. An advantaged opening round (and I would even propose an advantaged quarterfinal too, but let's crawl before we run wide open). The way it works:. If you are the lower seed, it is essentially a 7-game series for you (you must win four games to advance). BUT, for the higher seed, you only have to win three, and then you advance. If the lower seed gets to three first, the series is automatically a best of 7 (I.E., it is no longer just a 3 wins and advance scenario for the upper seed).
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Oct 10, 2015 21:28:30 GMT -5
If you can't decide a team's fate in 162 games, then what's the point of playing all of those games? There have to be tie-breakers to get the 8 best teams in the tournament. The NFL can do it, the NBA can do it and the NHL does it. Why not MLB? Baseball only has 10 teams make the playoffs, and 2 of those teams only get a 1 game play in. NBA and NFL let in half the league into the playoffs, that's too much. Shoot, I liked it when only 8 MLB teams made it in.
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Post by The_Don_Mecha on Oct 11, 2015 11:43:41 GMT -5
If you can't decide a team's fate in 162 games, then what's the point of playing all of those games? There have to be tie-breakers to get the 8 best teams in the tournament. The NFL can do it, the NBA can do it and the NHL does it. Why not MLB? Baseball only has 10 teams make the playoffs, and 2 of those teams only get a 1 game play in. NBA and NFL let in half the league into the playoffs, that's too much. Shoot, I liked it when only 8 MLB teams made it in. NBA = 16 team playoff/30 teams total NFL = 12 team playoff/32 teams total NHL = 16 team playoff/30 teams total Easy fix for MLB: 8 team playoff, with 3 division winners + 1 wildcard. IT sucks that the division winners would have to play each other (2 vs. 3 seeds), but that's the best case scenario. Eliminate the play-in. It makes no sense, and is simply a 163rd game for some teams, which put them at a potentially competitive disadvantage. Quick question: do the two teams that play in the wild card game have to have the same record? If not, then that is completely pointless.
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Post by Sam Punk on Oct 11, 2015 15:24:21 GMT -5
I like it. Winning the wild card shouldn't be treated the same as winning your division.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 11, 2015 16:17:40 GMT -5
MLB had that setup since 1995 when they put in the Wild Card anyway and it resulted in a lot teams just phoning it in near the end of the season when the Wild Card or Division slots locked up. I like the new system a lot better since the fifth playoff spot makes September baseball way more competitive. It also makes teams really compete to win the division so they can avoid the 1 game playoff instead of being complacent with a Wild Card spot.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Oct 11, 2015 16:22:16 GMT -5
As a Pirates fan the 3 years of this wild card play in game has been the worst. Wait 20 years to make the playoffs again and got stuck with this. They had the better record all 3 years and would've made it in the prior format. Even if you win it messes up the rotation for the next series.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Oct 11, 2015 16:58:50 GMT -5
MLB had that setup since 1995 when they put in the Wild Card anyway and it resulted in a lot teams just phoning it in near the end of the season when the Wild Card or Division slots locked up. I like the new system a lot better since the fifth playoff spot makes September baseball way more competitive. It also makes teams really compete to win the division so they can avoid the 1 game playoff instead of being complacent with a Wild Card spot. No the idea is that a 90 and 91 win team is not more deserving then a 96 or 97 win team just because the system is arbitrary in who you get grouped with
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Post by Professor Chaos on Oct 11, 2015 17:58:07 GMT -5
MLB had that setup since 1995 when they put in the Wild Card anyway and it resulted in a lot teams just phoning it in near the end of the season when the Wild Card or Division slots locked up. I like the new system a lot better since the fifth playoff spot makes September baseball way more competitive. It also makes teams really compete to win the division so they can avoid the 1 game playoff instead of being complacent with a Wild Card spot. No the idea is that a 90 and 91 win team is not more deserving then a 96 or 97 win team just because the system is arbitrary in who you get grouped with Agreed. Pirates actually won 98 games this year. 2nd best record in baseball. Follow along for 162 games and be 1 game and done because just like last year they were put against a pitcher that's on fire. Makes me not even wanna bother following baseball anymore. If you're gonna keep this format there's no reason why it can't be a 3 game series in the better record team's park.
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Post by RI Richmark on Oct 11, 2015 18:28:55 GMT -5
No the idea is that a 90 and 91 win team is not more deserving then a 96 or 97 win team just because the system is arbitrary in who you get grouped with Agreed. Pirates actually won 98 games this year. 2nd best record in baseball. Follow along for 162 games and be 1 game and done because just like last year they were put against a pitcher that's on fire. Makes me not even wanna bother following baseball anymore. Too bad. Win your division. The Pirates had 19 games against the Cardinals and didn't win enough. So their path became a little harder. I don't think the other teams want to be sitting around getting cold for 3 or 4 days while the wild card series plays out. Besides it adds more importance for winning the division.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Oct 11, 2015 18:55:43 GMT -5
Agreed. Pirates actually won 98 games this year. 2nd best record in baseball. Follow along for 162 games and be 1 game and done because just like last year they were put against a pitcher that's on fire. Makes me not even wanna bother following baseball anymore. Too bad. Win your division. The Pirates had 19 games against the Cardinals and didn't win enough. So their path became a little harder. I don't think the other teams want to be sitting around getting cold for 3 or 4 days while the wild card series plays out. Besides it adds more importance for winning the division. There's 4 days between the last regular season game and the first playoff series starts. How does a 3 game series in between affect any other team. How does a season based on 54 3 game series coming down to a 1 game playoff make any sence?
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Oct 11, 2015 21:22:04 GMT -5
Agreed. Pirates actually won 98 games this year. 2nd best record in baseball. Follow along for 162 games and be 1 game and done because just like last year they were put against a pitcher that's on fire. Makes me not even wanna bother following baseball anymore. Too bad. Win your division. The Pirates had 19 games against the Cardinals and didn't win enough. So their path became a little harder. I don't think the other teams want to be sitting around getting cold for 3 or 4 days while the wild card series plays out. Besides it adds more importance for winning the division. Why is the division worth jackshit compared to actual number of wins?
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Post by MrElijah on Oct 13, 2015 7:36:46 GMT -5
Get rid of the wild card entirely.
Team with the best record gets a bye into the LCS.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 16:46:52 GMT -5
In Japan, they have two leagues of 8 teams. Whomever claims the regular season pennant gets a bye and a one-game advantage when they finally play. So when their series starts, they're up 1-0. They also win games that go to a 12-inning tie.
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Post by kevin on Oct 24, 2015 23:44:45 GMT -5
I don't mind it in NHL NFL or MLB but in the NBA I even hate the conference division NBA should have the best record play the 16th best record and so on.
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