kidkamikaze10
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Oct 10, 2015 8:39:31 GMT -5
It's possible, as already state many indies have made it work for them. Another notable example is that ECCW's main champ was Nicole Matthews for a time. And she beat a pretty big dude to get it (Bishop).
Though to get people accustomed to it, you probably would need a lady who's either big or is a fantastic athlete doing it. Someone already intimidating. So like Nia Jax or Asuka.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 8:51:31 GMT -5
It could be done, but man, you've gotta be delicate with it. And I dunno if the WWE has it in them to be that way. And it would need to be someone the audience could believe has a chance. That Rousey guest spot at Mania? Sounds fantastic to me. After that...man, I dunno. I know some people will call out Sasha or Bayley, but I can't imagine them being in a ring with someone that's not Heath Slater or a Matador and it not seeming like they'd be the "prey". That's when you'd have a problem, when it's a woman you'd expect to be intimidated by the man on the other side of the ring. And IMO they have no woman on the roster, not even in NXT, that could stand toe-to-toe with a legit male wrestler and have it be believable.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Oct 10, 2015 8:58:44 GMT -5
If she puts in the work, they can build Nia Jax into something like that. I've seen her legit carry guys on the NXT roster on her back so she isn't lacking in the strength department (or size, she's billed as near 6 ft).
Now the mobility issue may come to play though.
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Post by sunnytaker on Oct 10, 2015 9:25:15 GMT -5
think the sponsors are against the idea so it'll probably not happen anytime soon. impact did have Robbie E vs Brooke a month or two ago. but it was treated as a comedy match for the most part. beth phoenix was in a rumble as well.
but I can't see say sasha vs rusev or any of the top guys ever taking place. slater, ryder, los matadors, the jobber types then yeah I could see it happen if it were to ever take place, since they're already on the low end of the totem pole and losing to a woman isn't going to make it worse for them. but why even bother with a man vs. woman match if they're just going to say "ok the women can beat one of the jobbers but in no way can they face JOHN CENA and survive (except nikki)"
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Post by Woo on Oct 10, 2015 9:47:35 GMT -5
Cesaro took on his girlfriend Sara Del Rey in CHIKARA.
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Post by Reflecto on Oct 10, 2015 10:02:30 GMT -5
I just don't think there is any reason for it. No one complains that the Men and Women have different competitions in FIFA or the Olympics. In a simulated contact sport, you're just asking for trouble. Although this topic does always make me laugh, because it reminds me of when my computer opponent in GM Mode on one of the old Smackdown vs Raw games booked Kane, Chris Masters, & Carlito vs Trish Stratus as it's Summerslam Main event. That's the problem though, because the fact that it's a SIMULATED contact sport in sports ENTERTAINMENT basically also puts it in the same viewpoint as a fight scene in a movie or TV show- and as a result, no matter which side of the argument for intergender matches you're on, YOU ARE WRONG and you are evil for thinking that. Period. If you feel that intergender matches should be fine, you are asking to see a man who is sold as one of the greatest fighters in the world beat up a woman for your entertainment, and so you want to cheer domestic violence. If you feel intergender matches are wrong, then you are inherently saying that women should not be allowed to act in a staged fight scene against a man, and thus are also saying no woman should ever be allowed to star in an action movie.
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Post by Martin: #TeamBella Treasurer on Oct 10, 2015 10:05:38 GMT -5
No Say what you will about her winning the IC title, but it was one of the better reigns of 1999.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 10, 2015 10:23:32 GMT -5
They could have done it with Kharma and it would have been completely believable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 10:26:01 GMT -5
No It's amazing that Vince Russo era WWF booked a woman to be equal to men in the ring while in today's "look how feminist we are" era in the WWE, they can barely create a woman character that isn't "generic bitch cause all women hate each other". I don't think we'll ever see another Chyna type of character, both because of sponsors, and because of society itself.
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Oct 10, 2015 11:27:32 GMT -5
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Post by keezy on Oct 10, 2015 11:34:24 GMT -5
It only really works as a one-off or gimmick match, like the Royal Rumble where we saw Beth Phoenix and Kharma enter. Kharma could have squashed Heath Slater or Santino but if she was up against Cena it wouldn't look right, we are conditioned to laugh and see it as comedy.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Oct 10, 2015 11:41:51 GMT -5
Only if they book a rematch. I'm pretty sure this is exactly how Cesaro & Del Ray's foreplay goes. As for the topic- I agree with those who say that if it ever became a major subject, WWE would be damned if they do and damned if they don't. And that while I think in the context of a staged sport, an intergender match is fine, I think WWE would struggle to pull it off in a way that didn't come off terribly.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 10, 2015 11:41:43 GMT -5
Do they have intergender matches in MMA or Boxing?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 11:45:32 GMT -5
I just don't think there is any reason for it. No one complains that the Men and Women have different competitions in FIFA or the Olympics. In a simulated contact sport, you're just asking for trouble. Although this topic does always make me laugh, because it reminds me of when my computer opponent in GM Mode on one of the old Smackdown vs Raw games booked Kane, Chris Masters, & Carlito vs Trish Stratus as it's Summerslam Main event. That's the problem though, because the fact that it's a SIMULATED contact sport in sports ENTERTAINMENT basically also puts it in the same viewpoint as a fight scene in a movie or TV show- and as a result, no matter which side of the argument for intergender matches you're on, YOU ARE WRONG and you are evil for thinking that. Period. If you feel that intergender matches should be fine, you are asking to see a man who is sold as one of the greatest fighters in the world beat up a woman for your entertainment, and so you want to cheer domestic violence. If you feel intergender matches are wrong, then you are inherently saying that women should not be allowed to act in a staged fight scene against a man, and thus are also saying no woman should ever be allowed to star in an action movie. Whoo boy is this post over the top. No, a poster is not evil for not thinking wrestling doesn't need intergender matches. Evil. Honestly. Please man, take a breath. Anyway, it can be done and should be done. It's a show. It's a comic book. No reason it can't work as long as you treat it seriously and don't make every single match "heel man underestimates little lady face" as so many Indies fall into. Watch Candice Lerae over in PWG. Wrestles dudes almost exclusively.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 11:46:07 GMT -5
Do they have intergender matches in MMA or Boxing? No. They don't have top rope cross bodies either.
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Post by Reflecto on Oct 10, 2015 11:49:56 GMT -5
That's the problem though, because the fact that it's a SIMULATED contact sport in sports ENTERTAINMENT basically also puts it in the same viewpoint as a fight scene in a movie or TV show- and as a result, no matter which side of the argument for intergender matches you're on, YOU ARE WRONG and you are evil for thinking that. Period. If you feel that intergender matches should be fine, you are asking to see a man who is sold as one of the greatest fighters in the world beat up a woman for your entertainment, and so you want to cheer domestic violence. If you feel intergender matches are wrong, then you are inherently saying that women should not be allowed to act in a staged fight scene against a man, and thus are also saying no woman should ever be allowed to star in an action movie. Whoo boy is this post over the top. No, a poster is not evil for not thinking wrestling doesn't need intergender matches. Evil. Honestly. Please man, take a breath. Anyway, it can be done and should be done. It's a show. It's a comic book. No reason it can't work as long as you treat it seriously and don't make every single match "heel man underestimates little lady face" as so many Indies fall into. Watch Candice Lerae over in PWG. Wrestles dudes almost exclusively. First off, I ALSO think intergender matches are fine in wrestling. And I firmly admit I am evil because I think that way. As are you, and as are everyone else who wants intergender matches. And honestly? For that same reason? Everyone who thinks wrestling SHOULDN'T have intergender matches are ALSO evil for NOT wanting them. That is the point. EVERY possible thought on this subject makes you wrong and evil for thinking that way. All you can do is say "Fine, then let me be evil" and pick which side you choose to be wrong on. I merely choose to be wrong and evil on the side of intergender wrestling.
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Post by Sicho100 on Oct 10, 2015 11:53:14 GMT -5
I've been absolutely adamant about this, that the only way this could work is if the woman is the heel ...And I'm of the belief that the only way it would work is if the woman is a babyface. Have the man be a chickenshit heel (like Seth Rollins or The Miz) that turns up the misogyny a bit leading up to the match, and the woman be a feminist underdog babyface.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 10, 2015 12:12:08 GMT -5
I've been absolutely adamant about this, that the only way this could work is if the woman is the heel ...And I'm of the belief that the only way it would work is if the woman is a babyface. Have the man be a chickenshit heel (like Seth Rollins or The Miz) that turns up the misogyny a bit leading up to the match, and the woman be a feminist underdog babyface. That's what I think as well. A heel is someone you want to see get beat up, the thing that needs to be avoided in an intergender match. We shouldn't be rooting for a man to beat up a woman. The woman is going to be the underdog and the underdog should be a face. It's too bad they didn't sign Aloisia a few years back. I could see a 6'9" chick beating up dudes. Of the current roster I believe Charlotte could pull it off. Tamina, Asuka and maybe Nia Jax too.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 10, 2015 12:18:24 GMT -5
I'm not sure our society in general is ready for a mainstream company like WWE to show men wrestling women, even if it were a "this is clearly exaggerated" kind of context. You'd have so many people complaining on social media, calling the FCC, and sending death threats before the entrances were done.
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Post by gr1990 on Oct 10, 2015 12:22:30 GMT -5
It'll probably never happen with TV ratings and sponsorship deals as they are, but I did enjoy when it occasionally occurred as a one-off when relevant to the storyline (Lita vs Dean Malenko is the main one, I think Ivory and Jacqueline both had short programmes again men too). I would have loved if the Tyson/Nattie 'marriage difficulties' storyline (at least the NXT variant of it) ended in an intergender match that ends in something like a double countout, causing them to regain respect for one another.
On a vaguely related note, it still blows my mind that Triple H sold a Brie Bella dropkick like death at Summerslam last year, thus doing more to put her over as a badass than he did for many of his Reign of Terror opponents.
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