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Post by idislikeeverything on Oct 11, 2015 13:55:51 GMT -5
I've posted in a few threads now but a new thread may make sense.
Daniel Bryan is routinely knocked on here as finished or injury prone or even said "crazy like Angle" but I am struggling for proof.
His neck? He got it fixed and despite most here thinking it is hurt again, it isn't. This time out is concussion, not the neck.
Speaking of which, an independent doctor with no reason to lie says he is clear. A WWE doctor with legal ramifications to worry says "maybe not". I know who'd I'd trust. The same one as CM Punk, the one not WWE linked.
So where is Bryan this injury prone weakling one step away from a wheelchair? His neck is as good as it will be and likely mostly wrestlers and it is possible his concussion is looong gone.
If Bryan is a guy who should retire for his health then I would honestly argue most of the current roster should too.
Cena's arguably worse, Orton's shoulders are a state, Ziggler had had several concussions, Taker and Sting are bad, Barrett has had several long term injuries, Big Show and Kane must be majorly banged up and so on.
Who would be left? Fandango for champ since he never wrestles and must be healthy.
*EDIT - I forgot Sami Zayn. He has basically been out of action since December give or take as many matches as Bryan had back yet no one is crying for his retirement despite it being several different injuries all at once.*
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Post by chazraps on Oct 11, 2015 13:57:31 GMT -5
His neck. His back. His pussy AND his crack.
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Post by Red Impact on Oct 11, 2015 14:47:13 GMT -5
There are a lot of unscrupulous doctors out there, and you can find one to say almost anything you want as long as they get money for it. This works both ways.
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Post by gr1990 on Oct 11, 2015 14:52:54 GMT -5
I guess it comes from the reports about how severe his injuries are and his own comments that suggest he'd be the kind of guy to run himself into the ground Angle-style. There seemed to be genuine fear he'd be permanently paralysed in one arm at one point, and being Bryan he was already making plans to adapt his moveset so he could work with one arm.
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Post by idislikeeverything on Oct 11, 2015 14:53:08 GMT -5
There are a lot of unscrupulous doctors out there, and you can find one to say almost anything you want as long as they get money for it. This works both ways. True point and that is why I am very curious what this third and final, independent doctor has to say. It just seems strange that WWE doctor = bad when filling Punk with drugs and his independent doctor was a hero while Bryan sees shady doctors and WWE's doctor is rightly retiring him outright. Bryan's first "hippie doctor" (as I saw him described often on here) fixed his neck well enough despite suggestions otherwise so I have faith he isn't a Rey Mysterio type who keeps going after 90 knee operations. Also, if he is so broken down, the fact he came back after 8 months out with a bad neck and still was the best performer straight away says he isn't that broken after all or the main roster isn't as good as we think.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 15:03:16 GMT -5
I didn't realize the concussion issues he's had until I read his book. He's had like 12 of them. At a point, it's too many and it could affect him down the road. Though it didn't seem like it's been a problem for him since he signed with WWE.
The neck stuff did seem to be in control, it was a bulging disc pushing down on a nerve and weakening his arm. He didn't have surgery though, so its something that could probably flare up on him again.
I think his condition is exaggerated on here sometimes, but it does have to do with how physical his style is and a doubt that he'll truly tone things down. And people just really like the guy, and don't want to see him hurt, so they might be erring on the side of caution.
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Post by Woo on Oct 11, 2015 15:06:29 GMT -5
Gee he's had 12 concussions? That alone should prevent him from wrestling again.
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Post by idislikeeverything on Oct 11, 2015 15:12:20 GMT -5
I didn't realize the concussion issues he's had until I read his book. He's had like 12 of them. At a point, it's too many and it could affect him down the road. Though it didn't seem like it's been a problem for him since he signed with WWE. The neck stuff did seem to be in control, it was a bulging disc pushing down on a nerve and weakening his arm. He didn't have surgery though, so its something that could probably flare up on him again. I think his condition is exaggerated on here sometimes, but it does have to do with how physical his style is and a doubt that he'll truly tone things down. And people just really like the guy, and don't want to see him hurt, so they might be erring on the side of caution. Maybe I am being overly simplistic but Chris Nowinski retired after his first and only concussion and anyone can had neck / back problems like that. Half the roster likely does now. We can't baby these people, it is their health. Bryan also has the moveset and talent to never leave his feet in ring again. He can morph into a guy like those who do that semi-shoot stuff in Japan like Takada. Just make him like Asuka, Mr Yes who still laughs and smiles with the fans but can torture people and break limbs with holds. He is over, he doesn't need the dives anymore to be over. He is a guy I'd feel safer watching now than someone like Neville. He is fit and healthy but one slippy rope away from a bad situation.
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Post by Red Impact on Oct 11, 2015 15:17:12 GMT -5
There are a lot of unscrupulous doctors out there, and you can find one to say almost anything you want as long as they get money for it. This works both ways. True point and that is why I am very curious what this third and final, independent doctor has to say. It just seems strange that WWE doctor = bad when filling Punk with drugs and his independent doctor was a hero while Bryan sees shady doctors and WWE's doctor is rightly retiring him outright. Bryan's first "hippie doctor" (as I saw him described often on here) fixed his neck well enough despite suggestions otherwise so I have faith he isn't a Rey Mysterio type who keeps going after 90 knee operations. Also, if he is so broken down, the fact he came back after 8 months out with a bad neck and still was the best performer straight away says he isn't that broken after all or the main roster isn't as good as we think. Unless you've seen Bryan's medical records and have the knowledge to interpret them, you really can't say how well anything has worked so far.
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Post by idislikeeverything on Oct 11, 2015 15:19:06 GMT -5
Gee he's had 12 concussions? That alone should prevent him from wrestling again. Surely you have to prevent most of WWE then. No way at least half that roster isn't at a similar number of concussions. That's the problem. If we start babying and blocking a few guys on health reasons (Christian is another I wonder about) then you have to do it across the board. They don't and it seems selective.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 15:21:00 GMT -5
Wrestling has a history of working talent until they're absolutely falling apart. So when a doctor who works for a wrestling company says you're working too much, you're too hurt to still go it tends to mean a lot. Yeah, I'd rather side with the guy who says "Don't push yourself any harder, it's dangerous for you AND for our companies bottom line." if that's what he's saying.
In the end, if the WWE's medical staff doesn't want him working I don't care what the third doctor says. If the doctor the company uses doesn't want him there, and the company doesn't want to take the risk that's the end of it. If he pushes it further, that's on him.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 11, 2015 18:07:37 GMT -5
I've posted in a few threads now but a new thread may make sense. Daniel Bryan is routinely knocked on here as finished or injury prone or even said "crazy like Angle" but I am struggling for proof. His neck? He got it fixed and despite most here thinking it is hurt again, it isn't. This time out is concussion, not the neck. Speaking of which, an independent doctor with no reason to lie says he is clear. A WWE doctor with legal ramifications to worry says "maybe not". I know who'd I'd trust. The same one as CM Punk, the one not WWE linked. So where is Bryan this injury prone weakling one step away from a wheelchair? His neck is as good as it will be and likely mostly wrestlers and it is possible his concussion is looong gone. If Bryan is a guy who should retire for his health then I would honestly argue most of the current roster should too. Cena's arguably worse, Orton's shoulders are a state, Ziggler had had several concussions, Taker and Sting are bad, Barrett has had several long term injuries, Big Show and Kane must be majorly banged up and so on. Who would be left? Fandango for champ since he never wrestles and must be healthy. *EDIT - I forgot Sami Zayn. He has basically been out of action since December give or take as many matches as Bryan had back yet no one is crying for his retirement despite it being several different injuries all at once.* Supposedly, The "WWE Doctor" in this case is NOT Dr. Z-Pak.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 18:47:16 GMT -5
You can't use the fact that other wrestlers work hurt to dismiss concerns about Bryan's own health. That's not how things work.
also, you're taking these concerns the wrong way.
DB is a demigod in the industry. The stigma about him being injury-prone is less about him being unreliable and more about the fear of him ending up like other greats like Austin. Most fans I'm sure would have an orgasm if Bryan proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that his body is in the right condition.
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Post by lionelp on Oct 11, 2015 19:10:25 GMT -5
He should be done for his own sake. Ask yourself what kind of person you are if you'd rather see the guy in a wheelchair for the rest of his life, simply for the sake of your own entertainment.
There exists a world outside WWE, in terms of pro-wrestling, and he was on the circuit long before he got his run at the top (15+ years), and in that time it's safe to say he's pushed his body to the limit, had a great run doing so, goes without saying, but you cannot compare him with anyone else on the roster, nobody on the active roster has put his body through more than D-Bryan, in the same amount of time.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 11, 2015 19:27:15 GMT -5
I largely trusted his judgement until I read about him once having a match while blind in one eye due, which is nothing short of negligent to his opponent, never mind him.
He had the biggest push in years, a great Mania and then injury derailed it. It sucks but most guys would pay to blow Virgil for that kinda career highlights reel.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Oct 11, 2015 20:08:05 GMT -5
If Bryan's doctor says he's good to go, I'm more than ready for him to be back.
If Bryan's doctor says he has to retire, so be it.
The "Bryan must retire" posts are annoying. None of you are doctors, or if you are then prove it. Until then, you're being obnoxious.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 11, 2015 20:11:20 GMT -5
Gee he's had 12 concussions? That alone should prevent him from wrestling again. Surely you have to prevent most of WWE then. No way at least half that roster isn't at a similar number of concussions. That's the problem. If we start babying and blocking a few guys on health reasons (Christian is another I wonder about) then you have to do it across the board. They don't and it seems selective. I'm sorry, I just have to ask, do you not understand the weight of head injuries? They're not "babying" Daniel Bryan, they're trying to keep Daniel Bryan out of a wheelchair. If it was that serious, they could easily go to TNA, where they can get all of the concussions they want until their brains turn to mush.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 20:59:47 GMT -5
If Bryan's doctor says he's good to go, I'm more than ready for him to be back. If Bryan's doctor says he has to retire, so be it. The "Bryan must retire" posts are annoying. None of you are doctors, or if you are then prove it. Until then, you're being obnoxious. Sorta agree with this to a degree because honestly looking at Bryan's history with the company, the company is the type to keep him out of the ring and protect him compared to others. Look at Triple H and Cena, they've gone through matches with injuries constantly plaguing their bodies no matter how severe. With Bryan however they've been known to keep him out of ring with injuries and stop matches, I'm sure we remember the whole thing with Bryan and the stinger in that Orton match. In this case, I'm not sure but I'm leaning towards the opinion of the company "over-protecting" Bryan and making sure he's out of the ring as much as possible compared to a Cena, Triple H or any of the others based on who he is. He's an underdog, they never like rushing his appearance, stuff like that. With the others they need them more than Bryan so of course they'd have them continue the matches with injuries. I gotta agree with the "babying" thing. You don't see that with Triple H, with Cena, you do see it with Bryan and Christian. The "trying to keep them protected" thing makes no sense when you have others still go out and have a match. To go along with that "underdog" thing, look at Bryan and then the Triple H/Cena, one is an underdog who keeps trying even though he's injured but he can't do it while the others are injured and yet continue the match, it paints a picture (in a way) that the others overcome injuries and recover quick while the underdog is the one who gets injured even as an underdog and continues after the injuries are over. Might be too much thinking in this case but I bet you anything that once Reigns becomes "the guy" he will get through his matches like Cena has. I truly believe Bryan is ok to enter the ring again but the company just doesn't want it. Might be a weird theory but that's what I think based on how they've treated his injuries in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 21:08:10 GMT -5
If Bryan's doctor says he's good to go, I'm more than ready for him to be back. If Bryan's doctor says he has to retire, so be it. The "Bryan must retire" posts are annoying. None of you are doctors, or if you are then prove it. Until then, you're being obnoxious. Sorta agree with this to a degree because honestly looking at Bryan's history with the company, the company is the type to keep him out of the ring and protect him compared to others. Look at Triple H and Cena, they've gone through matches with injuries constantly plaguing their bodies no matter how severe With Bryan however they've been known to keep him out of ring with injuries and stop matches, I'm sure we remember the whole thing with Bryan and the stinger in that Orton match. In this case, I'm not sure but I'm leaning towards the opinion of the company "over-protecting" Bryan and making sure he's out of the ring as much as possible compared to a Cena, Triple H or any of the others based on who he is. He's an underdog, they never like rushing his appearance, stuff like that. With the others they need them more than Bryan so of course they'd have them continue the matches with injuries. I gotta agree with the "babying" thing. You don't see that with Triple H, with Cena, you do see it with Bryan and Christian. The "trying to keep them protected" thing makes no sense when you have others still go out and have a match. I truly believe Bryan is ok to enter the ring again but the company just doesn't want it. Might be a weird theory but that's what I think based on how they've treated his injuries in the past. The thought has crossed my mind, but it's just really hard to wrap my head around it. Would they really want to keep Bryan out of action because he's too popular for where they want him to be on the card, and thus f***s with their plans? And in that case, why would they do the same thing with Christian? It's not like Peep Show chants were hijacking Raw or anything.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Oct 11, 2015 21:15:19 GMT -5
Gee he's had 12 concussions? That alone should prevent him from wrestling again. Surely you have to prevent most of WWE then. No way at least half that roster isn't at a similar number of concussions. That's the problem. If we start babying and blocking a few guys on health reasons (Christian is another I wonder about) then you have to do it across the board. They don't and it seems selective. A good amount of those concussions came on the independent scene, I highly suggest reading his book it provides a better picture of his medical problems.
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