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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 21:27:54 GMT -5
Sorta agree with this to a degree because honestly looking at Bryan's history with the company, the company is the type to keep him out of the ring and protect him compared to others. Look at Triple H and Cena, they've gone through matches with injuries constantly plaguing their bodies no matter how severe With Bryan however they've been known to keep him out of ring with injuries and stop matches, I'm sure we remember the whole thing with Bryan and the stinger in that Orton match. In this case, I'm not sure but I'm leaning towards the opinion of the company "over-protecting" Bryan and making sure he's out of the ring as much as possible compared to a Cena, Triple H or any of the others based on who he is. He's an underdog, they never like rushing his appearance, stuff like that. With the others they need them more than Bryan so of course they'd have them continue the matches with injuries. I gotta agree with the "babying" thing. You don't see that with Triple H, with Cena, you do see it with Bryan and Christian. The "trying to keep them protected" thing makes no sense when you have others still go out and have a match. I truly believe Bryan is ok to enter the ring again but the company just doesn't want it. Might be a weird theory but that's what I think based on how they've treated his injuries in the past. The thought has crossed my mind, but it's just really hard to wrap my head around it. Would they really want to keep Bryan out of action because he's too popular for where they want him to be on the card, and thus f***s with their plans? And in that case, why would they do the same thing with Christian? It's not like Peep Show chants were hijacking Raw or anything. Rather use someone else newer they can potentially manipulate in the company better (Cesaro, Miz, Ziggler) than use Christian. Christian's up there in age, he's done enough and although he's a legend they have other guys they can use so I can see why they'd want to sit him out. I mean he's only been feuding with newer guys and been a placeholder since the Orton feud ended years ago anyway so after that they just don't know what they wanna do with him. With Bryan, if I remember right Meltzer said the company thinks they "killed" the Bryan fans when that Reigns feud happened, at that point who knows. Maybe not killed but neutered, forgot exactly what he said. They just want to keep him out of action for other means. Sure, he would have went on Smackdown and he's very popular (his book, Tough Enough, appearances) and they like him now but it's just that they don't want him in the ring based on who he is. I don't think it deals with how injured he is but more along of "well, we like you Bryan buuuuuuuuutttttt, we want ya to do this and not wrestle lil guy, ok?" type of thing. If that makes any sense. If Bryan had another role like an Authority figure equal with the Authority it would be great. I mean if he can't wrestle at least put him on tv.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Oct 11, 2015 21:32:21 GMT -5
I don't think anybody is saying that Bryan is "injury prone" so much as that the style he wrestles lends itself to more frequent injuries, especially after years and years of going almost non-stop.
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Post by Sicho100 on Oct 11, 2015 21:32:53 GMT -5
If Bryan's doctor says he's good to go, I'm more than ready for him to be back. If Bryan's doctor says he has to retire, so be it. The "Bryan must retire" posts are annoying. None of you are doctors, or if you are then prove it. Until then, you're being obnoxious. Sorta agree with this to a degree because honestly looking at Bryan's history with the company, the company is the type to keep him out of the ring and protect him compared to others. Look at Triple H and Cena, they've gone through matches with injuries constantly plaguing their bodies no matter how severe. With Bryan however they've been known to keep him out of ring with injuries and stop matches, I'm sure we remember the whole thing with Bryan and the stinger in that Orton match. In this case, I'm not sure but I'm leaning towards the opinion of the company "over-protecting" Bryan and making sure he's out of the ring as much as possible compared to a Cena, Triple H or any of the others based on who he is. He's an underdog, they never like rushing his appearance, stuff like that. With the others they need them more than Bryan so of course they'd have them continue the matches with injuries. I gotta agree with the "babying" thing. You don't see that with Triple H, with Cena, you do see it with Bryan and Christian. The "trying to keep them protected" thing makes no sense when you have others still go out and have a match. To go along with that "underdog" thing, look at Bryan and then the Triple H/Cena, one is an underdog who keeps trying even though he's injured but he can't do it while the others are injured and yet continue the match, it paints a picture (in a way) that the others overcome injuries and recover quick while the underdog is the one who gets injured even as an underdog and continues after the injuries are over. Might be too much thinking in this case but I bet you anything that once Reigns becomes "the guy" he will get through his matches like Cena has. I truly believe Bryan is ok to enter the ring again but the company just doesn't want it. Might be a weird theory but that's what I think based on how they've treated his injuries in the past. Or, and I'm just spitballing here, there is a difference between suffering the latest in a series of concussions, and a torn quad. Is WWE becoming overly cautious with concussions? Almost certainly - and with good reason. Need I remind you of a certain event in 2007 relating to a certain guy named Chris? Or the countless NFL players that have been found to have had CTE after they died - often dying prematurely, and often a result of suicide? Or the many concussion lawsuits that WWE is currently facing? That's why they are being cautious with Bryan, and with Christian before him. Because a concussion is not a torn quad.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 11, 2015 21:35:45 GMT -5
If Bryan's doctor says he's good to go, I'm more than ready for him to be back. If Bryan's doctor says he has to retire, so be it. The "Bryan must retire" posts are annoying. None of you are doctors, or if you are then prove it. Until then, you're being obnoxious. I'll have you know I got my doctorate in Thuganomics from the School of Hard Knocks!
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Post by gr1990 on Oct 11, 2015 21:39:18 GMT -5
The thought has crossed my mind, but it's just really hard to wrap my head around it. Would they really want to keep Bryan out of action because he's too popular for where they want him to be on the card, and thus f***s with their plans? And in that case, why would they do the same thing with Christian? It's not like Peep Show chants were hijacking Raw or anything. Rather use someone else newer they can potentially manipulate in the company better (Cesaro, Miz, Ziggler) than use Christian. Christian's up there in age, he's done enough and although he's a legend they have other guys they can use so I can see why they'd want to sit him out. I mean he's only been feuding with newer guys and been a placeholder since the Orton feud ended years ago anyway so after that they just don't know what they wanna do with him. With Bryan, if I remember right Meltzer said the company thinks they "killed" the Bryan fans when that Reigns feud happened, at that point who knows. Maybe not killed but neutered, forgot exactly what he said. They just want to keep him out of action for other means. Sure, he would have went on Smackdown and he's very popular (his book, Tough Enough, appearances) and they like him now but it's just that they don't want him in the ring based on who he is. I don't think it deals with how injured he is but more along of "well, we like you Bryan buuuuuuuuutttttt, we want ya to do this and not wrestle lil guy, ok?" type of thing. If that makes any sense. If Bryan had another role like an Authority figure equal with the Authority it would be great. I mean if he can't wrestle at least put him on tv. I hope that's not true. Them stopping him wrestling when he's perfectly healthy to do so just because he's more popular than the people they actually want to push is bloody-minded and spiteful even by WWE's standards. It's crazy they could be that set against someone being a top guy. Like, how does that work backstage? How would Bryan not be absolutely livid if that's what's going on?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 11, 2015 21:45:25 GMT -5
Thinking they maybe should hang it up after a dozen concussions is in no way babying them.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Oct 11, 2015 22:19:08 GMT -5
12 concussions is reason enough to step away, 2+ concussions should have been a warning sign. He's going to have medical issues down the road and the WWE would be stupid to let him compete again. He'll likely get a concussion every other time out there
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 22:39:09 GMT -5
Sorta agree with this to a degree because honestly looking at Bryan's history with the company, the company is the type to keep him out of the ring and protect him compared to others. Look at Triple H and Cena, they've gone through matches with injuries constantly plaguing their bodies no matter how severe. With Bryan however they've been known to keep him out of ring with injuries and stop matches, I'm sure we remember the whole thing with Bryan and the stinger in that Orton match. In this case, I'm not sure but I'm leaning towards the opinion of the company "over-protecting" Bryan and making sure he's out of the ring as much as possible compared to a Cena, Triple H or any of the others based on who he is. He's an underdog, they never like rushing his appearance, stuff like that. With the others they need them more than Bryan so of course they'd have them continue the matches with injuries. I gotta agree with the "babying" thing. You don't see that with Triple H, with Cena, you do see it with Bryan and Christian. The "trying to keep them protected" thing makes no sense when you have others still go out and have a match. To go along with that "underdog" thing, look at Bryan and then the Triple H/Cena, one is an underdog who keeps trying even though he's injured but he can't do it while the others are injured and yet continue the match, it paints a picture (in a way) that the others overcome injuries and recover quick while the underdog is the one who gets injured even as an underdog and continues after the injuries are over. Might be too much thinking in this case but I bet you anything that once Reigns becomes "the guy" he will get through his matches like Cena has. I truly believe Bryan is ok to enter the ring again but the company just doesn't want it. Might be a weird theory but that's what I think based on how they've treated his injuries in the past. Or, and I'm just spitballing here, there is a difference between suffering the latest in a series of concussions, and a torn quad. Is WWE becoming overly cautious with concussions? Almost certainly - and with good reason. Need I remind you of a certain event in 2007 relating to a certain guy named Chris? Or the countless NFL players that have been found to have had CTE after they died - often dying prematurely, and often a result of suicide? Or the many concussion lawsuits that WWE is currently facing? That's why they are being cautious with Bryan, and with Christian before him. Because a concussion is not a torn quad. Have you actually seen a list of injuries with Triple H and Cena? Believe it or not, the only injuries these guys have had aren't torn quads and pec tears, they have a history of injuries, just not concussions. Triple H has has knee injuries, throat injuries, neck injuries, this guy's been through it a bit and these have happened prior to him becoming the onscreen Authority character. In Cena's case he's had the elbow injuries, numerous bleeding injuries (Brock confrontations), hip injuries, neck injuries, shoulder injuries and numerous smaller ones. Yes, concussions are a big deal, nobody said they're not. They need to be taken seriously. With that said, a few weeks ago Cena had a bad injury against Rollins. With that injury, he had to have surgery to correct not only for cosmetic reasons but also because of breathing problems. Cena went right back to work immediately after it was done. Being cautious with Bryan/Christian because of these concussions and not these others is completely and utterly ridiculous. If any superstar regardless of their injuries have multiple injuries, you need to be cautious, bar none. We always hear these stories about guys wrestling with nagging injuries, always but apparently if it's a concussion that's the major issue? No. All injuries need to be taken seriously otherwise there's a problem, not just concussions. Separating concussions from these other injuries because of what they are is an outdated concept and had the issues with concussions not come up we wouldn't be seeing it. Say a wrestler died from a horrible neck injury that had major media coverage, know what would happen? Neck injuries would be treated just as bad as concussions. That's my point. The company as a whole needs to treat any wrestler with multiple injuries as cautious as with concussions. We should never ever hear any stories about guys on the road suffering with "nagging injuries" nor should we be seeing these guys head to the ring repeatedly after having multiple injuries without being any way cautious. Stop giving the company excuses. I'm not letting any injured wrestler get a pass if they don't have a concussion. That's frankly bullshit. "Concussion lives matter" is not getting a pass in this case.
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Post by Sicho100 on Oct 11, 2015 22:51:58 GMT -5
Or, and I'm just spitballing here, there is a difference between suffering the latest in a series of concussions, and a torn quad. Is WWE becoming overly cautious with concussions? Almost certainly - and with good reason. Need I remind you of a certain event in 2007 relating to a certain guy named Chris? Or the countless NFL players that have been found to have had CTE after they died - often dying prematurely, and often a result of suicide? Or the many concussion lawsuits that WWE is currently facing? That's why they are being cautious with Bryan, and with Christian before him. Because a concussion is not a torn quad. Have you actually seen a list of injuries with Triple H and Cena? Believe it or not, the only injuries these guys have had aren't torn quads and pec tears, they have a history of injuries, just not concussions. Triple H has has knee injuries, throat injuries, neck injuries, this guy's been through it a bit and these have happened prior to him becoming the onscreen Authority character. In Cena's case he's had the elbow injuries, numerous bleeding injuries (Brock confrontations), hip injuries, neck injuries, shoulder injuries and numerous smaller ones. Yes, concussions are a big deal, nobody said they're not. They need to be taken seriously. With that said, a few weeks ago Cena had a bad injury against Rollins. With that injury, he had to have surgery to correct not only for cosmetic reasons but also because of breathing problems. Cena went right back to work immediately after it was done. Being cautious with Bryan/Christian because of these concussions and not these others is completely and utterly ridiculous. If any superstar regardless of their injuries have multiple injuries, you need to be cautious, bar none. We always hear these stories about guys wrestling with nagging injuries, always but apparently if it's a concussion that's the major issue? No. All injuries need to be taken seriously otherwise there's a problem, not just concussions. Stop giving the company excuses. I'm not letting any injured wrestler get a pass if they don't have a concussion. That's frankly bullshit. Here, let me make this clear: CONCUSSIONS. ARE. A. BIG. F***ING. DEAL!Yes, they are more serious than muscle tears or broken noses. Hell, WWE brought Bryan back from his neck/arm injury this year early (you know that promo where he announced that he would be in the Rumble? He wasn't even cleared to wrestle then. Bryan's said himself that he wasn't cleared until the day before his first match back.) Concussions have very, very serious long-term consequences that things like torn quads and the like simply don't. That's why they are treated differently. That's why WWE is overly cautious about them. A torn quad (or those other injuries that HHH and Cena have had) doesn't lead to early-onset dementia. They don't cause things like depression. They have never led someone to kill themselves or others. Concussions have. Should WWE have a higher bar before bringing people back from any injury? Almost certainly. Should that bar be even higher when it's brain trauma? Abso-f***ing-lutely.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Oct 11, 2015 23:00:59 GMT -5
Everything else I'd say concerning brain trauma has been covered so I'll just add this: Don't forget that right now WWE is facing several lawsuits asking for millions in damages over concussions. No matter how bullshit those lawsuits are, they are still being extra careful when it comes to matters of the brain.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 11, 2015 23:05:37 GMT -5
Yeah, concussions are on a different level than other injuries and should be treated as such. That's your brain getting banged up. What's scary is the effect might not even be obvious until many years after the actual damage.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 23:05:59 GMT -5
Have you actually seen a list of injuries with Triple H and Cena? Believe it or not, the only injuries these guys have had aren't torn quads and pec tears, they have a history of injuries, just not concussions. Triple H has has knee injuries, throat injuries, neck injuries, this guy's been through it a bit and these have happened prior to him becoming the onscreen Authority character. In Cena's case he's had the elbow injuries, numerous bleeding injuries (Brock confrontations), hip injuries, neck injuries, shoulder injuries and numerous smaller ones. Yes, concussions are a big deal, nobody said they're not. They need to be taken seriously. With that said, a few weeks ago Cena had a bad injury against Rollins. With that injury, he had to have surgery to correct not only for cosmetic reasons but also because of breathing problems. Cena went right back to work immediately after it was done. Being cautious with Bryan/Christian because of these concussions and not these others is completely and utterly ridiculous. If any superstar regardless of their injuries have multiple injuries, you need to be cautious, bar none. We always hear these stories about guys wrestling with nagging injuries, always but apparently if it's a concussion that's the major issue? No. All injuries need to be taken seriously otherwise there's a problem, not just concussions. Stop giving the company excuses. I'm not letting any injured wrestler get a pass if they don't have a concussion. That's frankly bullshit. Here, let me make this clear: CONCUSSIONS. ARE. A. BIG. F***ING. DEAL!Yes, they are more serious than muscle tears or broken noses. Hell, WWE brought Bryan back from his neck/arm injury this year early (you know that promo where he announced that he would be in the Rumble? He wasn't even cleared to wrestle then. Bryan's said himself that he wasn't cleared until the day before his first match back.) Concussions have very, very serious long-term consequences that things like torn quads and the like simply don't. That's why they are treated differently. That's why WWE is overly cautious about them. A torn quad (or those other injuries that HHH and Cena have had) don't lead to early-onset dementia. They don't cause things like depression. They have never led someone to kill themselves or others. Concussions have. Should WWE have a higher bar before bringing people back from any injury? Almost certainly. Should that bar be even higher when it's brain trauma? Abso-f***ing-lutely. You're completely missing my point so I'm going to be forced to break it down. 1.) Concussions are a big deal. I've said that repeatedly in my last post. Concussions. Are. A. Big. Deal. If you somehow think I don't think that find where I said they're not serious. Nowhere in any of my posts did I say concussions are not serious. If that's the angle you're going from responding to me you need to find another angle. 2.) The reason concussions are looked at severely these days are PURELY because of the media attention in regards to them, with Chris Nowinski's influence, Benoit, all of that is the main reason. It's not because the company thought "oh wow concussions are far worse than we figured, let's go ahead and pay close attention" and all of the sudden just as they thought that concussions became an issue, it's because they don't want someone being injured because a concussion and it coming back to bite them on the ass. That's the whole point of the thing. Lawsuits are going on regarding concussions these days, why do you think the company is placing importance on them? 3.) If someone was killed because of any other injury then surely the company would be paying closer attention to said injures. It's the same reason why Punk with his whole thing and Dr Z-Pak that once it came to light, the company showed the doctor on screen more, the company mentioned Dr. A online more, onscreen more, it's why they've started incorporating more in regards to wrestlers' and their health, all because of that. If the same happened to another injury and it became a media blitz then surely the same would apply with all injuries, that's my point here. All injuries matter, not just concussions. The company however does not look at this, they look at concussions differently compared to before. Don't say "of course they do it's becau-" because you're missing the point. They not treat concussions as seriously as they need to. They don't treat other injuries as serious as they need to. That's the difference here. They need to treat other injuries as serious as they need to rather than letting it catch up with these wrestlers. Exactly my whole point with my post which is why I'm even wondering why you're responding. That's what I'm saying here. The company as a whole is horrible in regards to bringing guys back early and they have a problem with paying more attention with other injuries that aren't concussions. Concussions are a big deal but the fact remains as a whole if a wrestler has multiple injuries stacked up, they're having a hard time dealing with it, they're not in the perfect condition to be out in the ring, they're going to eventually go through what Punk went through which is a negative. If anyone thinks otherwise it's straight and utter bullshit. No wrestler should be wrestling with stacked injuries. At all. They need to get the injuries taken care of. That should be the end of it. Yes, concussions are a big deal but what I'm saying is all injuries are important. You can say "well concussions are more important" all you want, trust me, I know how important concussions are but the fact remains along with concussions the company needs to place further importance on injuries that aren't concussions. They need to focus more research and development in regards to mental fatigue as well. They need to look into shoulder injuries, leg injuries, all sorts of injuries that is important to these stars rather than just saying "ok well that'll heal in 4 months then come back...ok...wait? concussion? screw that we'll hold off on the other stuff let's deal with it now", they need to say "well you have this injury? ok screw that let's deal with it now, wait concussion too? ok let's get that too!" and take care of it. All injuries are important in this case and the company needs to do a better job reinforcing that. I'm not even going to pretend to say "well concussions matter more so of course they don't let them slide", that's bullshit. All injuries need to be looked at in a different light. If the company is putting a "level 10" on concussion issue they need to put a level 10 on other injuries as well rather than the 5 where they're at now. Don't tell me that they're not important or they shouldn't be reviewed higher than you have guys in multiple interviews and dirtsheets saying they deal with multiple injuries. The whole crux is that concussion detection and issues have gone to a level 10 since the mid-2000s with the company while everything else is on a shotty level. I'm saying they need to raise a 10 to everything else. Nowhere am I saying that concussions aren't important or because of how serious they are they need to be equal, I'm saying that the company and doctors need to bring every injury up to a level 10 to protect the stars otherwise they end up like Punk did which did not revolve around a concussion. Their work is horrible. If you honestly disagree with that then it's beyond me. Nobody needs to read other stories about wrestlers saying they have stacking injuries. That's absolutely and utterly ridiculous.
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Post by Sicho100 on Oct 11, 2015 23:17:47 GMT -5
Here, let me make this clear: CONCUSSIONS. ARE. A. BIG. F***ING. DEAL!Yes, they are more serious than muscle tears or broken noses. Hell, WWE brought Bryan back from his neck/arm injury this year early (you know that promo where he announced that he would be in the Rumble? He wasn't even cleared to wrestle then. Bryan's said himself that he wasn't cleared until the day before his first match back.) Concussions have very, very serious long-term consequences that things like torn quads and the like simply don't. That's why they are treated differently. That's why WWE is overly cautious about them. A torn quad (or those other injuries that HHH and Cena have had) don't lead to early-onset dementia. They don't cause things like depression. They have never led someone to kill themselves or others. Concussions have. Should WWE have a higher bar before bringing people back from any injury? Almost certainly. Should that bar be even higher when it's brain trauma? Abso-f***ing-lutely. You're completely missing my point so I'm going to be forced to break it down. 1.) Concussions are a big deal. I've said that repeatedly in my last post. Concussions. Are. A. Big. Deal. If you somehow think I don't think that find where I said they're not serious. Nowhere in any of my posts did I say concussions are not serious. If that's the angle you're going from responding to me you need to find another angle. 2.) The reason concussions are looked at severely these days are PURELY because of the media attention in regards to them, with Chris Nowinski's influence, Benoit, all of that is the main reason. It's not because the company thought "oh wow concussions are far worse than we figured, let's go ahead and pay close attention" and all of the sudden just as they thought that concussions became an issue, it's because they don't want someone being injured because a concussion and it coming back to bite them on the ass. That's the whole point of the thing. Lawsuits are going on regarding concussions these days, why do you think the company is placing importance on them? 3.) If someone was killed because of any other injury then surely the company would be paying closer attention to said injures. It's the same reason why Punk with his whole thing and Dr Z-Pak that once it came to light, the company showed the doctor on screen more, the company mentioned Dr. A online more, onscreen more, it's why they've started incorporating more in regards to wrestlers' and their health, all because of that. If the same happened to another injury and it became a media blitz then surely the same would apply with all injuries, that's my point here. All injuries matter, not just concussions. The company however does not look at this, they look at concussions differently compared to before. Don't say "of course they do it's becau-" because you're missing the point. They not treat concussions as seriously as they need to. They don't treat other injuries as serious as they need to. That's the difference here. They need to treat other injuries as serious as they need to rather than letting it catch up with these wrestlers. Exactly my whole point with my post which is why I'm even wondering why you're responding. That's what I'm saying here. The company as a whole is horrible in regards to bringing guys back early and they have a problem with paying more attention with other injuries that aren't concussions. Concussions are a big deal but the fact remains as a whole if a wrestler has multiple injuries stacked up, they're having a hard time dealing with it, they're not in the perfect condition to be out in the ring, they're going to eventually go through what Punk went through which is a negative. If anyone thinks otherwise it's straight and utter bullshit. No wrestler should be wrestling with stacked injuries. At all. They need to get the injuries taken care of. That should be the end of it. Yes, concussions are a big deal but what I'm saying is all injuries are important. You can say "well concussions are more important" all you want, trust me, I know how important concussions are but the fact remains along with concussions the company needs to place further importance on injuries that aren't concussions. They need to focus more research and development in regards to mental fatigue as well. They need to look into shoulder injuries, leg injuries, all sorts of injuries that is important to these stars rather than just saying "ok well that'll heal in 4 months then come back...ok...wait? concussion? screw that we'll hold off on the other stuff let's deal with it now", they need to say "well you have this injury? ok screw that let's deal with it now, wait concussion too? ok let's get that too!" and take care of it. All injuries are important in this case and the company needs to do a better job reinforcing that. I'm not even going to pretend to say "well concussions matter more so of course they don't let them slide", that's bullshit. All injuries need to be looked at in a different light. If the company is putting a "level 10" on concussion issue they need to put a level 10 on other injuries as well rather than the 5 where they're at now. Don't tell me that they're not important or they shouldn't be reviewed higher than you have guys in multiple interviews and dirtsheets saying they deal with multiple injuries. If you honestly disagree with that then it's beyond me. Nobody needs to read other stories about wrestlers saying they have stacking injuries. That's absolutely and utterly ridiculous. I've responded because this started with your conspiracy theory that if Bryan were one of their preferred, big muscly men, they would have already cleared him, citing as evidenced the fact that they clear Cena early and that they let guys continue wrestling with nagging injuries. That's obviously not true - and Bryan himself proves it. As I mentioned, they already brought him back from an injury, and announced that he was going to wrestle again, before he was cleared to wrestle. It's not this attempt by WWE to present Bryan as a weakling that can't wrestle through injuries whereas Cena and HHH are big strong men that can handle the pain, as you suggested, it's that concussions are different from muscle tears and broken bones. That's the f***ing point.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 23:34:50 GMT -5
(previous posts in spoiler) {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler=long text}{long text} You're completely missing my point so I'm going to be forced to break it down. 1.) Concussions are a big deal. I've said that repeatedly in my last post. Concussions. Are. A. Big. Deal. If you somehow think I don't think that find where I said they're not serious. Nowhere in any of my posts did I say concussions are not serious. If that's the angle you're going from responding to me you need to find another angle. 2.) The reason concussions are looked at severely these days are PURELY because of the media attention in regards to them, with Chris Nowinski's influence, Benoit, all of that is the main reason. It's not because the company thought "oh wow concussions are far worse than we figured, let's go ahead and pay close attention" and all of the sudden just as they thought that concussions became an issue, it's because they don't want someone being injured because a concussion and it coming back to bite them on the ass. That's the whole point of the thing. Lawsuits are going on regarding concussions these days, why do you think the company is placing importance on them? 3.) If someone was killed because of any other injury then surely the company would be paying closer attention to said injures. It's the same reason why Punk with his whole thing and Dr Z-Pak that once it came to light, the company showed the doctor on screen more, the company mentioned Dr. A online more, onscreen more, it's why they've started incorporating more in regards to wrestlers' and their health, all because of that. If the same happened to another injury and it became a media blitz then surely the same would apply with all injuries, that's my point here. All injuries matter, not just concussions. The company however does not look at this, they look at concussions differently compared to before. Don't say "of course they do it's becau-" because you're missing the point. They not treat concussions as seriously as they need to. They don't treat other injuries as serious as they need to. That's the difference here. They need to treat other injuries as serious as they need to rather than letting it catch up with these wrestlers. Exactly my whole point with my post which is why I'm even wondering why you're responding. That's what I'm saying here. The company as a whole is horrible in regards to bringing guys back early and they have a problem with paying more attention with other injuries that aren't concussions. Concussions are a big deal but the fact remains as a whole if a wrestler has multiple injuries stacked up, they're having a hard time dealing with it, they're not in the perfect condition to be out in the ring, they're going to eventually go through what Punk went through which is a negative. If anyone thinks otherwise it's straight and utter bullshit. No wrestler should be wrestling with stacked injuries. At all. They need to get the injuries taken care of. That should be the end of it. Yes, concussions are a big deal but what I'm saying is all injuries are important. You can say "well concussions are more important" all you want, trust me, I know how important concussions are but the fact remains along with concussions the company needs to place further importance on injuries that aren't concussions. They need to focus more research and development in regards to mental fatigue as well. They need to look into shoulder injuries, leg injuries, all sorts of injuries that is important to these stars rather than just saying "ok well that'll heal in 4 months then come back...ok...wait? concussion? screw that we'll hold off on the other stuff let's deal with it now", they need to say "well you have this injury? ok screw that let's deal with it now, wait concussion too? ok let's get that too!" and take care of it. All injuries are important in this case and the company needs to do a better job reinforcing that. I'm not even going to pretend to say "well concussions matter more so of course they don't let them slide", that's bullshit. All injuries need to be looked at in a different light. If the company is putting a "level 10" on concussion issue they need to put a level 10 on other injuries as well rather than the 5 where they're at now. Don't tell me that they're not important or they shouldn't be reviewed higher than you have guys in multiple interviews and dirtsheets saying they deal with multiple injuries. If you honestly disagree with that then it's beyond me. Nobody needs to read other stories about wrestlers saying they have stacking injuries. That's absolutely and utterly ridiculous. I've responded because this started with your conspiracy theory that if Bryan were one of their preferred, big muscly men, they would have already cleared him, citing as evidenced the fact that they clear Cena early and that they let guys continue wrestling with nagging injuries. That's obviously not true - and Bryan himself proves it. As I mentioned, they already brought him back from an injury, and announced that he was going to wrestle again, before he was cleared to wrestle. It's not this attempt by WWE to present Bryan as a weakling that can't wrestle through injuries whereas Cena and HHH are big strong men that can handle the pain, as you suggested, it's that concussions are different from muscle tears and broken bones. That's the f***ing point. I'm ending this with this post because this is not only running around in circles, you either get my point or you don't. If you disagree after this, then just disagree. As my last post proved, the company views concussions differently purely because of lawsuits, deaths and media attention in regards to concussions based on other injuries. Had other injuries become so big in the media, the same would apply. Say there's a huge media blitz in regards to wrestlers working too many days, the company would change their policy asap, same thing in regards to I don't know, depression being a major major issue, the WWE would be doing some stuff. The whole point isn't because of how dangerous they know concussions are, it's because of lawsuits, media attention, Chris Benoit and Chris Nowinski. My entire point is that when this "concussion stuff" started to get big in the media in the mid-2000s, the WWE changed their policies in regards to it especially after Benoit. They ramped it up to a level 10. Before that though concussions were on a level 5 like everything else. We need everything else to be looked at on a higher level and not be in the same outdated areas as before. It's 2015. Guys are doing things that weren't done in the late 90s. We need things to change with these other injuries which is what they're not doing, we don't need to see guys wrestling with stacked injuries and then taking time off years later so they can get surgery when surgery could have been prevented, that's shitty. They need to increase everything else to a 10 as well because it's shotty. It's shotty that guys have stacked injuries. It's shotty that guys go through months with injuries and have to deal with it (Punk, Bryan, Cena even, numerous guys) and yet they don't get it checked out, why? Because it's on a level 5, it's not as important although they're later forced to get it looked at when they could have had it dealt with at an earlier date. They need to do something about this otherwise it'll continue to be so until the media mentions something. If you truly disagree with the fact that the company needs to do better with looking at non-concussion injuries, taking more care of these non-concussion injuries, looking at these non-concussion injuries earlier than later on, taking better care of wrestlers having stacked injuries (or even letting it happen at all) because they're simply "not-concussions so they don't need to" then there's nothing else to say about it. That's all I need to say about that because honestly if you're going that route? There's literally nothing else that needs to be said. It's insane.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 23:36:38 GMT -5
If Bryan's doctor says he's good to go, I'm more than ready for him to be back. If Bryan's doctor says he has to retire, so be it. The "Bryan must retire" posts are annoying. None of you are doctors, or if you are then prove it. Until then, you're being obnoxious. I'll have you know I got my doctorate in Thuganomics from the School of Hard Knocks! Everyone knows that is a for-profit degree factory. Your degree means nothing!
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Post by ilggant on Oct 12, 2015 1:47:08 GMT -5
His neck. His back. His pussy AND his crack. Damn you! I will one day lose my job because of this board.
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Post by Ryushinku on Oct 12, 2015 2:21:11 GMT -5
Everything else I'd say concerning brain trauma has been covered so I'll just add this: Don't forget that right now WWE is facing several lawsuits asking for millions in damages over concussions. No matter how bullshit those lawsuits are, they are still being extra careful when it comes to matters of the brain. That's good point too. I think they're being very careful with Bryan because of it being a concussion, because his past injury history, because of the political need of that current lawsuit(s) and because indeed they may be mindful of how badly they hurt Reigns by bringing Bryan back when they did.
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Post by lionelp on Oct 12, 2015 6:36:32 GMT -5
the one piece of advice I've taken off an old coach
'Don't mess with anything you've only got one of' you can live with one lung, kidney, leg, arm etc but once your brain is done then that's that.
WWE are keeping a superstar from wrestling because they hate how popular he is, yeah that'll be it, holy smokes.
Concussion awareness has got a long way to go judging on his thread alone
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Post by Macho Pichu on Oct 12, 2015 11:38:29 GMT -5
I don't know the full story, but I have no reason to believe either doctor did anything wrong. The WWE doctor interpreted his history an current condition one way and the NFL doctor interpreted it another. That's not uncommon. I wasn't there for either evaluation so I can't say if Bryan failed to give the NFL doctor proper information or if the WWE's doctor made his decision based on business reasons. I can only assume both of these well respected doctors did their job properly and came up with conflicting results.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 12, 2015 12:11:17 GMT -5
As an aside, the notion that WWE brass are using Bryan's injury as an excuse to keep him out longer for getting over on his own is just so amazing, I'm honestly surprised it's not a newz story yet.
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