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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 13, 2015 11:42:46 GMT -5
Instead of crapping on Cameron and Eva for trying to get better and keep up with changing times, I'm going to take this as an indictment of a sexist system that decided it didn't matter if these women knew how to do their jobs as long as they looked good.
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Post by Martin: #TeamBella Treasurer on Oct 13, 2015 12:20:51 GMT -5
Yeah, Cameron was only in FCW for a few months (if that) before she and Naomi were brought up to the main roster full-time as Brodus Clay's valets. Naomi had been there at least a year longer. Then, she, as most Divas in her situation are, expected to get in the ring with very little training, then filming regularly for Total Divas further takes away training time. I'm sure she, Eva and those previously in her position would love to get extra training (now they are), no one wants to be perceived as sucking at their job! As others have said, WWE is to blame for this culture, not the Divas
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2015 12:53:34 GMT -5
Yeah, Cameron was only in FCW for a few months (if that) before she and Naomi were brought up to the main roster full-time as Brodus Clay's valets. Naomi had been there at least a year longer. Then, she, as most Divas in her situation are, expected to get in the ring with very little training, then filming regularly for Total Divas further takes away training time. I'm sure she, Eva and those previously in her position would love to get extra training (now they are), no one wants to be perceived as sucking at their job! As others have said, WWE is to blame for this culture, not the Divas If this actually bothered Cameron, she could've easily turned down the offer to be on the show. It's not like she's like Eva, who got hired specifically for TD. She wouldn't even have been the first to turn down them down. But between TD, fashion stuff, her continuous attempts at getting her catchphrase over, and her..."singing" career, it's like Cameron has been interested in everything but actually getting better at wrestling.
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Post by Martin: #TeamBella Treasurer on Oct 13, 2015 13:00:21 GMT -5
Yeah, Cameron was only in FCW for a few months (if that) before she and Naomi were brought up to the main roster full-time as Brodus Clay's valets. Naomi had been there at least a year longer. Then, she, as most Divas in her situation are, expected to get in the ring with very little training, then filming regularly for Total Divas further takes away training time. I'm sure she, Eva and those previously in her position would love to get extra training (now they are), no one wants to be perceived as sucking at their job! As others have said, WWE is to blame for this culture, not the Divas If this actually bothered Cameron, she could've easily turned down the offer to be on the show. It's not like she's like Eva, who got hired specifically for TD. She wouldn't even have been the first to turn down them down. But between TD, fashion stuff, her continuous attempts at getting her catchphrase over, and her..."singing" career, it's like Cameron has been interested in everything but actually getting better at wrestling. Yeah she could have, but I imagine the E! contract was a nice financial boost for all of the Divas who take part in the show, especially when we have heard about the disparate pay between male and female talent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2015 13:10:06 GMT -5
Yeah she could have, but I imagine the E! contract was a nice financial boost for all of the Divas who take part in the show, especially when we have heard about the disparate pay between male and female talent. True, though even with filming for Total Divas, Cameron still could've worked in some time to train. I mean Nikki Bella managed it, and she's way more involved with the show than Cameron.
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Post by audiencewatching on Oct 13, 2015 13:32:11 GMT -5
What exactly has she been doing for the past 2 years?
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Post by CM Parish on Oct 13, 2015 13:37:07 GMT -5
Insert gif of trying to pin someone on their front here.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 13, 2015 14:18:04 GMT -5
Yeah she could have, but I imagine the E! contract was a nice financial boost for all of the Divas who take part in the show, especially when we have heard about the disparate pay between male and female talent. True, though even with filming for Total Divas, Cameron still could've worked in some time to train. I mean Nikki Bella managed it, and she's way more involved with the show than Cameron. Both Nikki and Brie sorta benefit from dating wrestlers in that way. For all intents and purposes, their time off doubles as their time to train. Think about how often we see Nikki and Cena together at his private gym on the show alone. And for the record, Naomi was signed to FCW in 2009, two years before Cameron was on Tough Enough. By the time they got called up to be the Funkadactyls, Naomi already had an FCW Women's Championship under her belt, whereas Cameron may have had two singles matches her entire time in FCW. Also, even though she wasn't on television, Cameron was still on the house show circuit, so it's not like she's been sitting around collecting a paycheck and just decided she wanted to get back into the game. Sheesh, how does news about someone looking to improve at what they're paid to do get this negative this quickly?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2015 14:27:29 GMT -5
Sheesh, how does news about someone looking to improve at what they're paid to do get this negative this quickly? Because she's had close to five years to have that epiphany. Take, for instance, my current job. One of the key parts of my current job is web design. If I'd waited five years to get web design training instead of doing it in the first few months, I wouldn't be praised for it - most would just see it as me finally getting my shit together. A key part of Cameron's job is to wrestle. That she's deciding after five years that "hey, maybe I should get good at this key component of my job" isn't worthy of praise. Though I'll readily admit that I'd be less cynical about the whole thing if it weren't concerning Cameron, AKA Ms. "Let me drive drunk, and then try to bribe my way out of it."
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 13, 2015 14:44:49 GMT -5
Sheesh, how does news about someone looking to improve at what they're paid to do get this negative this quickly? Because she's had close to five years to have that epiphany. Take, for instance, my current job. One of the key parts of my current job is web design. If I'd waited five years to get web design training instead of doing it in the first few months, I wouldn't be praised for it - most would just see it as me finally getting my shit together. A key part of Cameron's job is to wrestle. That she's deciding after five years that "hey, maybe I should get good at this key component of my job" isn't worthy of praise. Though I'll readily admit that I'd be less cynical about the whole thing if it weren't concerning Cameron, AKA Ms. "Let me drive drunk, and then try to bribe my way out of it." Well, I'd imagine your job doesn't have a culture that not only de-emphasizes the importance of knowing web design, so long as you look good in a suit and have enough followers on Facebook/Instagram, but even discourages trying to take time off to learn about web design by replacing you before your seats warm. I'm with Martin and Hitogoroshi on this one, that it took five years for her to have this opportunity says a lot more about WWE's backward nature as it comes to female performers than it does about Cameron. Also, considering the current Diva's Champion actually assaulted a cop and has never had it affect how people talk about her, I'm gonna give some leeway to Cameron for keeping her stupidity in the non-violent realm.
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Post by sonofblaine on Oct 13, 2015 14:47:02 GMT -5
I admit, I like Cameron. I hope she busts her ass and comes back with at least a nice base to finish up in Florida. And the Eva hater in me hopes she far surpasses her.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2015 15:12:47 GMT -5
I'd forgotten about Charlotte's own stupidity, though given that she's a Flair I think that sort of stuff is just expected. You make a good argument, though it seems we're at a bit of an impasse, since you guys believe that Cameron hadn't been provided the opportunity from WWE to get better until recently, while I believe that she didn't have the passion or determination to get better until recently. So, agree to disagree?
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Oct 13, 2015 15:14:14 GMT -5
Maybe when she's done she'll have mastered the Cattle Mutilation once and for all.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Oct 13, 2015 15:25:09 GMT -5
That's admirable of her. 5 years on the job, 5 years later try to learn how to do your job.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 15, 2015 16:20:31 GMT -5
Great to hear. I hope she improves vastly! I hope she improves her way to never being on WWE television again!
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Post by Mayonnaise on Oct 15, 2015 17:38:39 GMT -5
Nobody on WWE does anything career related without WWE approval so saying she simply could have just walked into the PC to train is way off. Even the people we don't see on TV regularly are being sent to signings, schools, ticket give aways and little things like beside having to be at TV everywhere. Plus we don't know what she did for Total Divas that they decided against using.
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Post by King Boo on Oct 15, 2015 18:39:52 GMT -5
Let's not pretend like the circumstances surrounding being a woman in the WWE are the same as a man. They're not. As a woman who has watched her whole life, their approach towards women talent permeates the screen. I'm not an idiot - I know what has been paraded in front of me, and the reasons why. For every Molly, Ivory and Victoria, there was a Joy Giovanni, Kelly Kelly and Sable.
It's important to remember she wasn't hired because of her lineage or her career history in another place like ROH or New Japan, she was hired for her look. And yes, that's not the best reason to hire someone to a position that will then require a certain skill set outside of that, but the onus for that is not on her, it's on WWE. It's a big opportunity for someone that doesn't come around everyday, so I don't blame her for taking something someone else is offering her.
I also don't begrudge her for appearing on Total Divas instead of training. Total Divas is probably the exact type of thing they envisioned for her and, depending on your thoughts on what it means to partake in a show like that, another opportunity she would want to take advantage of. Also, as was mentioned, she was not given the time nor the blessing to truly pursue learning how to wrestle. The fact that she's requested to and kept moving forward with it speaks more about her than some seem to be willing to give her credit for. If all she wanted to do was cash in on her looks, she'd sooner bow out when the pressure got to be too much, or she'd simply stay complacent until they wind up firing her when they need to save money. She's not doing either of those things. The easy paycheck ceases to be easy if you willingly make it harder, doesn't it?
Lastly, if you want people to improve and hold it against them if/when they don't, then you also need to be willing to accept it if/when people try (and hopefully do). Otherwise you're a) essentially holding them accountable to a no-win situation for them and b) a hypocrite.
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Post by garcimore on Oct 15, 2015 20:12:15 GMT -5
She was on tonight's NXT live event.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Oct 15, 2015 23:17:58 GMT -5
Well if Eva can get as good as she has in 1 month at Kendrick's, then Cameron must be miles better with all the time she has training? Right? RIGHT???
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 15, 2015 23:32:12 GMT -5
She was on tonight's NXT live event. How was the match?
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