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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 7, 2015 9:16:34 GMT -5
Sticking AJ with people who could promo better than him is some of TNA's rare zen wisdom. Even if you're the best wrestler in the world, you might still need to learn how to talk.
I also liked that run as a fan of his original total prick persona from his first year in the company
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Post by wrestlingrecap on Nov 7, 2015 17:37:44 GMT -5
I was annoyed when Raven didn't win the title in 2003 or in 2004. By the time he won it in 2005, it didn't matter. I laughed when he lost it before their debut on SPIKE to give Jarrett the push as if he needed it.
Monty Brown not winning the gold either.
A lot of my memories are from like 2002-2005.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 17:54:49 GMT -5
So many choices, but there's a special place in my hatred for Jeff Jarrett HHH style asskicker/finisher kickout guy. Mainly because I don't think that JJ is all that good.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 7, 2015 18:16:00 GMT -5
Ok I have another one, the Nasty Boys? Why? They were 10 years past their prime. They got tired just by cutting promos. The saddest part is that if they weren't fired by having that altertacion with the Spike executive, they would've been there longer.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 7, 2015 18:19:26 GMT -5
Ok I have another one, the Nasty Boys? Why? They were 10 years past their prime. They got tired just by cutting promos. The saddest part is that if they weren't fired by having that altertacion with the Spike executive, they would've been there longer. 10? Try 20. They stunk the joint up just like they did WCW in the mid 90's. For me, look no further than Jeff Jarrett winning the title right back from Rhyno. Holy shit did that piss me off. Jarrett was unbearable as the top heel, mostly because he was Jeff Jarrett.
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Post by chrom on Nov 7, 2015 18:35:44 GMT -5
Ok I have another one, the Nasty Boys? Why? They were 10 years past their prime. They got tired just by cutting promos. The saddest part is that if they weren't fired by having that altertacion with the Spike executive, they would've been there longer. It was an important meeting they were having with Spike and they barge right in there shouting and yelling and embarassing the company. It's a wonder Spike didn't kick TNA off the air after what they did as the Owner of Spike was there also and witnessed it I heard. Thankfully they did get fired, which if it happened today they wouldn't even be punished with how lax TNA is. I think there was even talk of them feuding and winning The Tag Belts. The last straw for anyone accepting Hogan's buddies in TNA was when they mocked and laughed at Jay Lethal in his Black Machismo getup in front of the entire locker room humiliating him in front of everyone.
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Post by Woo on Nov 8, 2015 8:13:35 GMT -5
How the amazing women's division turned into a massive joke. From 2007 to 2009, there were so many talented women on the roster and there were great matches. It was pretty much NXT's division before there even was one. Fast forward to the beginning of 2010 when Hogan and Bischoff take over. Kong got fired for punching out that ****face Bubba The Love Sponge and The Beautiful People become the centerpiece of the division with all of them feuding with each other. The Beautiful People were supposed to be parodies of typical mean girls and the WWE Divas but the parody became the real thing. Hell, they even had a goddamn bra and panties match. Meanwhile the others like Hamada, Sarita, Taylor Wilde and ODB are doing jack shit, they all end up leaving the company later in the year. Daffney feuds with Knockouts Champion Tara which sounds pretty damn cool, right? Well, they were planned to have a First Blood match on PPV which gets moved to Impact. Daffney loses so they can have a ****ing stupid box thing with the Knockouts that ends up with Angelina Love winning the championship BY PULLING IT OUT OF A BOX. With the box Daffney picks, she's forced to perform a strip tease... then months later she gets serious injuries which end up making her never wrestle again. This is the very same company that promoted their division as "WE'RE NOT DIVAS!". Given how back then the WWE's women's division was awful (there was no NXT and not that much good workers besides a very few), the wrestling community was happy with how seriously TNA treated women's wrestling. On top of this, paying the women and men peanuts but then paying some no named Z-list celebrity well for one appearance. I stopped watching TNA in 2010 after Hogan and Bischoff basically killed the company. I could write paragraphs of what made me angry. The WWE's treatment of women is what drove me to find Shimmer as I wanted to see women wrestle and be treated with respect. Then TNA jumped on board and signed some amazing talents. Amazing Kong, Cheerleader Melissa, Hamada, Sarita. Right there you have 4 of the very best in the world. Not just very good, but legit perhaps the 4 best in the world at the time. Then you have great workers and characters like Roxi, Taylor, Daffney, Madison, Tara and the Beatiful People which was a good act as it represented everything wrong with the way wrestling represents women. Even Bolt was better than most of the women in WWE at the time too. The Knockout's, along with Scott Steiner segments amusingly, were drawing the highest ratings on TNA for a while too. Hogan's arrival destroyed TNA from top to bottom but the KO's destruction was the one that made me the most angry as it was the greatest pool of talent ever assembled in a major company and may never be bettered.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 8, 2015 12:41:13 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 8, 2015 14:44:48 GMT -5
Absolutely, when Flair managed Triple H, he was still Triple H, not a clone, it just added to his persona having Flair, but it wasn't the main thing. HHH knew how to incorporate Flair into his act like starting to come out in suits and eventually creating his own 4 horseman but he was always HHH at the end of the day. If they would of did something like that with AJ than no biggie but they made him go "full flair".
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Post by chazraps on Nov 8, 2015 15:06:21 GMT -5
Whilst I understand it would get annoying it legitimately was the biggest signing in the history of TNA and when you're paying a guy 30,000 dollars a week or whatever TNA was paying Hogan you need to at least try to get your moneys worth. Almost three months before the guy actually makes his debut, though? We got Glacier vignettes on every WCW show for seven months. Seven. Straight. Months. Week-in, week-out, our "entire world was about to change." I think, for a lot of us, that's forever skewed our ability to judge how many vignettes are too many vignettes.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 8, 2015 19:04:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm gonna have a lot of repeats here. Usual caveat that in most of these cases, I'm using "angry" interchangeably with "really annoyed".
-Almost everything done (or not done) with Samoa Joe after Kurt Angle arrived. Super-rushed Joe/Angle series that should've been held off and teased, Joe winning the title and promptly being thrown into the worst "character developing" arc ever, Joe turning down the title and joining the Main Event Mafia without it ever being revealed he was a mole or something, Russo booking him badly after Joe called him out, ZOMG NINJAS, going winless in a BFG Series just so he could job to Crimson and Morgan, etc. etc. etc. There were some glimmers of hope in his last couple of years there, but the flame that could've ignited the entire company had long since been snuffed out.
-The tearing down of the formerly amazing Knockouts division. Went from revolutionary stuff for mainstream US pro wrestling to a complete afterthought in no time flat.
-The de-push of Desmond Wolfe. I know Nigel wound up having to step away from in-ring competition shortly afterward, anyway, but the de-push began well before then. Guy came in red hot and the Hogan regime quickly swept him under the rug.
-Mentioned this in another thread, but I remember going to a theater to watch the Bound For Glory where Roode challenged Angle and lost. That was the moment I felt too fed up to continue; I eventually popped back in to watch when Aries had his rise to the title, but it was a spirit killing, "this company will never get it"-realization moment. Coincidentally, it happened in the same week as the idiotic and offensive WWE "walkout" angle, so I mark that week as the absolute angriest I have ever been with pro wrestling. This was a rare case of feeling anger instead of annoyance - anger at WWE for their awful content, and anger at TNA for proving to me that they'd never really challenge WWE.
-I'll give a special mention to TNA deciding to end Austin Aries' first title reign quickly so they could put the belt on Jeff Hardy as part of his "redemption story". Nothing against Hardy, but good God, yet another example of taking a guy with supreme momentum, this time Aries, and cutting him off at the knees.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 8, 2015 19:37:05 GMT -5
-I'll give a special mention to TNA deciding to end Austin Aries' first title reign quickly so they could put the belt on Jeff Hardy as part of his "redemption story". Nothing against Hardy, but good God, yet another example of taking a guy with supreme momentum, this time Aries, and cutting him off at the knees. They turned him heel which basically was throwing salt in the wounds and tried to make him CM Punk lite. That annoyed me, sure Jeff deserved his second chance but you blew one guy up to give him his "redemption." They could of given Jeff his redemption without cutting the legs from Aries and destroying his momentum.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Nov 8, 2015 20:14:22 GMT -5
While I know now they didn't pay Tito Ortiz to appear, bringing him out after letting Jesse Sorenson go made me very angry.
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Post by Aya Reiko on Nov 9, 2015 0:52:37 GMT -5
-I'll give a special mention to TNA deciding to end Austin Aries' first title reign quickly so they could put the belt on Jeff Hardy as part of his "redemption story". Nothing against Hardy, but good God, yet another example of taking a guy with supreme momentum, this time Aries, and cutting him off at the knees. They turned him heel which basically was throwing salt in the wounds and tried to make him CM Punk lite. That annoyed me, sure Jeff deserved his second chance but you blew one guy up to give him his "redemption." They could of given Jeff his redemption without cutting the legs from Aries and destroying his momentum. How about Heeeee~eell NO. Showing up to a PPV main event blitzed out of his mind should of got him fired. Instead TNA shows they have no standards when it comes to WWEjects.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 1:40:22 GMT -5
When a future star gets his first title run they should run with it for a while to establish themselves Bret, HBK, Cena and recently Rollins have been proof this works and on the odd occasion that WWE has blundered (Orton, Edge) it has set the performer back due to being seen as a fluke champion so it doesn't happen often.
TNA made this mistake countless times over the span of a couple of years Aries, Magnus, Sabin, Young all had their careers damaged due to getting the belt and doing nothing with it until dropping it a month or so later. It's the definition of insanity, repeating the same thing and expecting different results. Even EC3 could have done with holding on to it a bit longer.
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Post by Rave on Nov 9, 2015 2:16:31 GMT -5
Almost three months before the guy actually makes his debut, though? We got Glacier vignettes on every WCW show for seven months. Seven. Straight. Months. Week-in, week-out, our "entire world was about to change." I think, for a lot of us, that's forever skewed our ability to judge how many vignettes are too many vignettes. These weren't vignettes, though. This was commentary mentioning him at least once every five minutes, with pre-recorded commentary actually re-recorded to mention him. For almost three whole months.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Nov 9, 2015 4:23:03 GMT -5
I get annoyed at dumb things that go on in storylines, not angry. If I lost my temper at every dumb thing a wrestling company writes and puts on TV, I'd have a heart attack by age 30 at the latest.
The godawful way they treat the people who work for them? That pisses me off.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Nov 9, 2015 11:59:49 GMT -5
all hyperbole about bad booking decisions aside, their treatment of Daffney was downright criminal. a close second would be how terrible at paying people they've become. somehow Dixie Carter managed to supplant Paul Fraking Heyman as "Captain never-pays-anyone".
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Post by Halloween on Nov 10, 2015 5:44:16 GMT -5
I have a new one to add.
Was just watching all the Lethal Lockdown matches on YouTube and I saw that at Bound For Glory 2010 a group of ECW Originals lead by Mick Foley managed to beat Fortune who are a group that everyone was referring to as the future of pro wrestling at that point clean in the middle of the ring. A 39 year old Tommy Dreamer earned his team the win.
Now, in my opinion in 2010 the ECW guys probably had a right to be there. The One Night Stand PPV that TNA did was allegedly their best show of the year in terms of buy rates but if you're going to use the ECW guys wouldn't it make sense for them to lose to the young up and comers? Especially since Raven, Rhino, Sabu and Stevie Richards were all gone from TNA within 12 months whilst AJ Styles, Frankie Kazarian, James Storm, Matt Morgan and Robert Roode all stayed for years afterwards.
I know that Fortune got their win back eventually but I don't think ECW guys in 2010 should have been beating the "future of the business". If this were any other company the young heel group would have gone over but this is TNA...
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Post by King Devitt: Scrum Guzzler on Nov 14, 2015 8:08:10 GMT -5
When Angle beat Joe in his debut. Everything with Joe. Out the window. Not really, Joe still continued to be a draw, and while they waited too much time in my opinion to book it, Lockdown 08, when Joe defeated Angle for the belt, they sold about 60 thousand buys. What killed Joe was when they turned him into a budgeted Umaga. Then the f***ing ninjas....NINJAS! KIDNAPPING! TV! Was Joe still a draw? yes, but his luster and aura were extinguished in one match for the sake of Kurt Angle. Joe was built as their Goldberg, a juggernaut who couldn't be beaten, and just like Goldberg it took one act of someone not knowing their time or place to ruin it. (No Angle didn't book himself to win, but see Angle as Dixie's avatar). There was no reason Joe couldn't have kept his momentum, debut Angle against someone else to solidify himself and then build to this dream match. Hell if done right keep those two apart until Bound for Glory, and you have an epic main event people would have paid for. Kurt Angle did put the first tarnishings on Samoa Joe. The other stuff was just adding to the stupidity (Joe handing the title to Angle, Joe being kidnapped, Joe versus Dinero etc). The Hardy moment was just embarrassing, but I wasn't surprised. Just embarrassed to have been a supporter from the beginning. Jeff Jarrett as a whole pissed me off. He wasn't even subtle that he was running the company and booking himself. From Monty Brown to Raven, he just killed his own company. I even find his theme song condescending. I did like MMA Jarrett, but that wasn't enough to undo the damage his ego did. The first thing that came to my mind tho, was when Christopher Daniels who had just been in the main event at the previous PPV jobbed to Sean Morley - Val Venis - on that fateful January episode of Impact. I've never been the biggest Daniels fan, but that entire episode was just a big f*** you to TNA fans. From The Nasty Boys, to later Hogan calling it a "playpen ring". For me though that night was the single angriest I've been at once with TNA. Their momentum prior to that was great, I was proud to watch. The other times (Jarrett, Joe) were stretched out, that one episode of Impact, hell that first month really, was one ongoing middle finger as a fan.
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