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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Nov 9, 2015 20:35:57 GMT -5
Golf and cricket are terribly boring to watch.
The NFL is too much spectacle and not enough sport.
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Post by Crimson on Nov 10, 2015 15:06:39 GMT -5
Shaq is one of the worst athletes of all time. What Currey is doing is great, but most teams still rely on the big man. Also, my criticisms of the NBA did not end at tall players. Unlike college, NBA teams are extremely reliant one 1-2 players. No other sport in the world can you lose one player, and go from the best in the league, to the bottom. The NBA also lacks fundamentals. Certain rules just do not apply to a lot of players making a certain amount of money. I literally disagree with this entire post. Shaq was an INCREDIBLE athlete. One of the most freakish athletes of all time. It wasn't just his size that made him amazing, it was the fact that he was perhaps the best athlete in the NBA to go along with his behemoth stature. He also had fantastic touch and footwork for a big man, his bread and butter shot being a midrange hook that very few big men in history can replicate. The NBA is perimeter focused and has been since the rule chance that eliminated hand checking. Steve Nash and Mike D'Antoni's Suns in the mid 2000's changed the league in that respect, becoming the first team to take advantage of those rules and usher in the pace-and-space era. Last years NBA Champion Golden State Warriors -- one of the greatest teams of all time who won 67 games and had the #1 offense AND defense and put up astronomical point differentials -- are purely perimeter focused. In the finals, those Warriors played a Cavs team led by LeBron James, a perimeter player who has been the best player in the league for nearly a decade. At least, until this year where it looks like a tiny point guard has taken his throne. Last years Houston Rockets, the #2 seed in the west, had their dominant center Dwight Howard miss a majority of the season, but were carried by great perimeter play in the form of James Harden. There's a virtual consensus on who the top 7 players in the NBA are right now. In no order, it's LeBron, Durant, Curry, Davis, Harden, Paul, and Westbrook. That's 3 Point Guards, a Shooting Guard, a Small Forward, and a Power Forward. The best big man in the NBA right now, Anthony Davis, is on a team that is 0-6. He is a MONSTER, but his team can't win a game because his perimeter help is bad. The NBA is insanely perimeter focused these days. Jump shooting records are being shattered, and most scoring inside the paint are by guards who penetrate and finish at the rim. No other sport relies on 1-2 players? The NFL is INSANELY reliant on the QB. There's not even a close #2. If you don't have a good QB, the rest of your roster needs to be absolutely outrageous to even stand a chance. If you have a great QB, you make the playoffs every year without trouble. Just look at the year Peyton Manning got hurt for Indy. They go from Super Bowl contender to 2-14 and getting the #1 overall pick based solely on his injury. The current Packers without Aaron Rodgers would be very ugly. Give the current Houston Texans a good (not great, just good) QB and they go from trash to an automatic playoff team.
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Post by sfvega on Nov 10, 2015 16:26:44 GMT -5
Shaq is one of the worst athletes of all time. What Currey is doing is great, but most teams still rely on the big man. Also, my criticisms of the NBA did not end at tall players. Unlike college, NBA teams are extremely reliant one 1-2 players. No other sport in the world can you lose one player, and go from the best in the league, to the bottom. The NBA also lacks fundamentals. Certain rules just do not apply to a lot of players making a certain amount of money. I literally disagree with this entire post. Shaq was an INCREDIBLE athlete. One of the most freakish athletes of all time. It wasn't just his size that made him amazing, it was the fact that he was perhaps the best athlete in the NBA to go along with his behemoth stature. He also had fantastic touch and footwork for a big man, his bread and butter shot being a midrange hook that very few big men in history can replicate. The NBA is perimeter focused and has been since the rule chance that eliminated hand checking. Steve Nash and Mike D'Antoni's Suns in the mid 2000's changed the league in that respect, becoming the first team to take advantage of those rules and usher in the pace-and-space era. Last years NBA Champion Golden State Warriors -- one of the greatest teams of all time who won 67 games and had the #1 offense AND defense and put up astronomical point differentials -- are purely perimeter focused. In the finals, those Warriors played a Cavs team led by LeBron James, a perimeter player who has been the best player in the league for nearly a decade. At least, until this year where it looks like a tiny point guard has taken his throne. Last years Houston Rockets, the #2 seed in the west, had their dominant center Dwight Howard miss a majority of the season, but were carried by great perimeter play in the form of James Harden. There's a virtual consensus on who the top 7 players in the NBA are right now. In no order, it's LeBron, Durant, Curry, Davis, Harden, Paul, and Westbrook. That's 3 Point Guards, a Shooting Guard, a Small Forward, and a Power Forward. The best big man in the NBA right now, Anthony Davis, is on a team that is 0-6. He is a MONSTER, but his team can't win a game because his perimeter help is bad. The NBA is insanely perimeter focused these days. Jump shooting records are being shattered, and most scoring inside the paint are by guards who penetrate and finish at the rim. No other sport relies on 1-2 players? The NFL is INSANELY reliant on the QB. There's not even a close #2. If you don't have a good QB, the rest of your roster needs to be absolutely outrageous to even stand a chance. If you have a great QB, you make the playoffs every year without trouble. Just look at the year Peyton Manning got hurt for Indy. They go from Super Bowl contender to 2-14 and getting the #1 overall pick based solely on his injury. The current Packers without Aaron Rodgers would be very ugly. Give the current Houston Texans a good (not great, just good) QB and they go from trash to an automatic playoff team. First off, whoever says Shaq wasn't a great athlete only has a memory of about 10 years, max. He was a force with the Lakers and a freakish monster with Orlando and LSU. Jesus, do a little homework, guy. As for this post, QB is overvalued in the "new" NFL, but no one will ever argue that Flacco or Wilson are the best QB in the league, but both have SB titles and a few close calls to more. Brees is still a machine passing and can't sniff big playoff success since his Super Bowl the first year the new QB-oriented rule changes went into effect. Playing golf is fun, watching golf is torture. Soccer is terrible. I know, people enjoy it. And I respect that and the cardiovascular and the skill. But it's terrible TV. Only the crazy audiences make it anywhere near not terrible TV. And I'll say this, this era of men's tennis is fantastic TV and people don't care and I don't get it. Hockey is also very fast-paced and action packed, and is also barely on people's TVs. I don't get it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 10, 2015 17:10:57 GMT -5
American college sports.
I'm always amazed at how much enthusiasm Americans have for where they attend university.
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Post by government mule on Nov 10, 2015 17:32:29 GMT -5
I had to explain the Duckworth Lewis method to somebody at work once, and my head exploded. Cricket is absolutly one of those sports where from the outside looking in, it is baffling, especially when it could last for 5 days, break for lunch and tea (quintissentially British), get stopped by rain, and still end as a draw! I quite like it though
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 10, 2015 18:45:35 GMT -5
I don't understand the D/L method either, but I do know that somehow, it always causes teams I like to lose.
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Post by Crimson on Nov 10, 2015 20:15:32 GMT -5
As someone raised in Daytona Beach, the appeal of Nascar always alluded me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2015 14:10:15 GMT -5
I like the sport baseball but I wonder how small market MLB fans can be fans. Like only four teams make it to the playoffs with one wildcard game between conferences and it's always the same big market teams in every year. And when your small underdog is finally a good team all your players get bought out by the big teams. Like wasn't it the joke that Kansas City Royals was more of a farm team for the Yankees than there farm team?
Maybe it's because I'm just spoiled by parity in my favorite leagues
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 11, 2015 16:39:21 GMT -5
I like the sport baseball but I wonder how small market MLB fans can be fans. Like only four teams make it to the playoffs with one wildcard game between conferences and it's always the same big market teams in every year. And when your small underdog is finally a good team all your players get bought out by the big teams. Like wasn't it the joke that Kansas City Royals was more of a farm team for the Yankees than there farm team? Maybe it's because I'm just spoiled by parity in my favorite leagues There's a lot more parity than that nowadays, largely because even smaller market teams have a lot of money lately (though some still refuse to spend it). Yes, the Cardinals make it a lot, but they're an admittedly very well run organization, and the high spending Yankees and Dodgers have made it often, though not as frequently of late as you might think. The last few years have seen a pretty decent combo of organizations making the playoffs. Here's Wiki's list of World Series/pennant/division/playoff appearance droughts: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_franchise_postseason_droughtsThe longest playoff-less droughts in MLB right now are 14 years (Seattle Mariners, a team that has certainly spent a lot of money lately) and 12 years (Miami Marlins, possessors of the worst owner in sports). After that, the longest drought is 9 years, and there are only five total teams with droughts longer than 5 years, which isn't all that many. Plus, a 162 game schedule is at least a full slate of games; playoff-less years suck, but you still get a lengthy schedule to satiate you a little bit more than most other leagues. As for the small market clubs losing players...yeah, sadly, that does happen, but with the increase in revenues to all teams a lot of clubs have gotten better with at least holding on to one or two "franchise" type players for fans to latch to. The name of the game in baseball now is to get younger and more cost-controlled, anyway, so even high-spending teams often let guys walk more often.
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Post by Session Moth is over on Nov 11, 2015 17:52:25 GMT -5
Golf is extremely boring and have no idea why it's popular. My befuddlement is on watching it on TV. Like why? Its terribly boring. Also I think soccer is a boring sport but I get why its popular. How ever if we erased all sports from earth and started anew basketball would be what soccer is in terms of worldwide popularity. You think so? I don't think it would be anywhere near it. Football is the most skillful sport in the world and requires no equipment to play.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Nov 11, 2015 18:12:31 GMT -5
My befuddlement is on watching it on TV. Like why? Its terribly boring. Also I think soccer is a boring sport but I get why its popular. How ever if we erased all sports from earth and started anew basketball would be what soccer is in terms of worldwide popularity. You think so? I don't think it would be anywhere near it. Football is the most skillful sport in the world and requires no equipment to play. I agree. Football is the most popular sport in the World and is also possibly the most popular up and coming sport in the World as it is gaining popularity more and more in countries where it wasn't as popular in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 18:21:12 GMT -5
I like the sport baseball but I wonder how small market MLB fans can be fans. Like only four teams make it to the playoffs with one wildcard game between conferences and it's always the same big market teams in every year. And when your small underdog is finally a good team all your players get bought out by the big teams. Like wasn't it the joke that Kansas City Royals was more of a farm team for the Yankees than there farm team? Maybe it's because I'm just spoiled by parity in my favorite leagues There's a lot more parity than that nowadays, largely because even smaller market teams have a lot of money lately (though some still refuse to spend it). Yes, the Cardinals make it a lot, but they're an admittedly very well run organization, and the high spending Yankees and Dodgers have made it often, though not as frequently of late as you might think. The last few years have seen a pretty decent combo of organizations making the playoffs. Here's Wiki's list of World Series/pennant/division/playoff appearance droughts: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_franchise_postseason_droughtsThe longest playoff-less droughts in MLB right now are 14 years (Seattle Mariners, a team that has certainly spent a lot of money lately) and 12 years (Miami Marlins, possessors of the worst owner in sports). After that, the longest drought is 9 years, and there are only five total teams with droughts longer than 5 years, which isn't all that many. Plus, a 162 game schedule is at least a full slate of games; playoff-less years suck, but you still get a lengthy schedule to satiate you a little bit more than most other leagues. As for the small market clubs losing players...yeah, sadly, that does happen, but with the increase in revenues to all teams a lot of clubs have gotten better with at least holding on to one or two "franchise" type players for fans to latch to. The name of the game in baseball now is to get younger and more cost-controlled, anyway, so even high-spending teams often let guys walk more often. Still wasn't the two longest droughts of the Royals and Toronto broken these past two seasons of some 20 some odd years? Like you go through list of seasons by teams and it's a common occurrence that a team will miss 10-20 seasons only to make it to the playoffs for another two years in a row and may win a world series and back to a 20 season drought. Like this year's playoffs felt so fresh with Kansas/Toronto and NYM/Cubs like there was no sightings of Yankees/Red Sox/Cardinals/Giants/Tigers like the same reams every year. I also imagine a lengthy schedule is terrible if your team is terrible and doesn't stand a chance . Like nothing is worse then seeing the season is already over within a month and a half
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Post by Gremlin on Nov 12, 2015 20:30:52 GMT -5
Beach volleyball. But I think I get why. It's because they are wearing less clothing, yes?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 20:49:15 GMT -5
I sometimes wonder why football is so popular. It's a 4 second play followed by guys standing around and often a committee meeting with the refs.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Nov 12, 2015 20:52:57 GMT -5
My dad is a golfer. I've gone to play golf with him at the local country club. I've watched golf tournaments with him. And, I still have no idea why golf is so freaking popular.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Nov 12, 2015 21:22:58 GMT -5
Cricket is my favourite sport. I can see why the slow paced nature of it would make people dislike it, but I'm staggered how people have such a hard time grasping the rules.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 12, 2015 23:56:05 GMT -5
NASCAR for me. Its popularity eludes me.
Soccer I can get though I don't like watching unless it's the World Cup. Though for some reason I find women's soccer a lot more interesting to watch than men's. It could be because a sense of national pride because American soccer players tend to be the most skillful and talented of our female athletes. While soccer is like the American male's fourth or fifth choice usually. Mainly because anyone good enough to go pro is likely going to play another sport where they can make far more money, like gridiron, basketball, or baseball.
But if soccer players ever made similar money in the US compared to the Big Four, watch out. I wouldn't want to mess with Lebron or Gronk on the pitch if they chose to become soccer players earlier in life.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 8:21:33 GMT -5
Watch a game without access to constant instant replays and you have football. I went to see Notre Dame play Air Force in a relatively meaningless game. No video board to show replays.
So frickin' boring to watch a lot of guys execute a two-second draw play, then stand around forever to set up the next.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Nov 15, 2015 12:07:57 GMT -5
I like college basketball, but to me the NBA is terrible. Height seems to be more important thank skill in the NBA. Travelling does not get called if you make over $10m/year. Some NBA teams actually have a worse long FG percentage than college teams, because the NBA is more focused on letting big guys make 5 foot or less shots. I get the superstar appeal in the NBA, it is a league that is great at marketing, but as a sport, it is worse than its amateur/collegiate counter part. To me, the NBA is more sports entertainment, than sport sometimes. Height is way more important in College ball then NCAA. There are a lot of guys who can't even cut it in Euroball who were good enough to dominate in NCAA because they were 7 ft tall. And guy's in the NBA having a worse long FG% is because the defenses are far more skilled then a lot of the soft zone crap you see in NCAA. College Bball right now is actually at it's worst because the best players bolt after a year or two and they still allow handchecking and most games are basiclaly 90s Knicks/Pacer crap but at amatuer talent level. While the NBA is going through a golden age.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Nov 15, 2015 12:19:26 GMT -5
The NBA is an insanely high level of basketball, with no other league in the world even approaching its talent level, but yeah, it's hard for me to get into it due to how quickly a team can go from bottom to tops and back down again. That is quite the opposite of how it usually happens in the NBA. Michael Jordan and The Bulls for example went from team who squaeks into the playoffs ,team who loses in the 2nd round,team who loses twice in conf finals to Pistons.Team finally overcomes Pistons and then dominates sport in 90s. Detroit Piston,Golden State Warriors,Chicago Bulls,Dallas Mavericks all had slow builds to the title. San Antonio Spurs were a consistently good team in the 90s,star player Robinson gets injured early in the year so they have 1 bad season then afterwards draft Duncan and have had sustained greatness ever since. The Allen,KG,Pierce superteam Celtics that came together and won a title year won and Bosh,LBJ,Wade Heat team that quickly came together then left just as quickly is actually the anamoly.
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