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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 19, 2015 5:47:58 GMT -5
They were looking for a lower cost alternative that could draw the same numbers according to the original audio report on PWInsider where this whole thing started, no they were not. the conspiracy theory is that ROH was a pawn that got used by Destination America, and brought in on a short term deal specifially to dilute the audience and prevent TNA from reaching the X number of viewers the needed for their deal to automatically be renewed DA wanted both RoH and TNA to get people interested in their other shows, but anyone who wants to watch RoH and/or TNA only watches those shows and doesn't give two shits about Bigfoot or whatever else they have on, so they're dropping wrestling altogether. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 19, 2015 11:05:17 GMT -5
Would make some sense if not for the fact Destination America cancelled TNA long before ROH came to the channel.
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Post by joeiscool on Nov 19, 2015 11:25:04 GMT -5
Admittedly I don't know how TV contracts work but would it even matter if TNA hit those numbers and got the auto-renewal? Surely DA(or any network really)would still be able to cancel a show at any given time. It's like any contract it depends on the terms. No established brand is going to let the terms be get canceled at any given time, unless they get something in return. If the term is they are contracted for x amount of days and they end early tna could be entitled to early termination payments what ever they may be |
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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 19, 2015 12:35:22 GMT -5
They were looking for a lower cost alternative that could draw the same numbers according to the original audio report on PWInsider where this whole thing started, no they were not. the conspiracy theory is that ROH was a pawn that got used by Destination America, and brought in on a short term deal specifically to dilute the audience and prevent TNA from reaching the X number of viewers the needed for their deal to automatically be renewed In which case ROH came out ahead: get half a year of the widest tv exposure you've ever had while damaging on of your nearest rivals AND get paid to do it! |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 19, 2015 15:41:53 GMT -5
Seems really weird they would get a rival wrestling program, and put it on the same day. If it wasn't sabotage seems like really bad planning.. Or, their attempt to build a programming block of pro wrestling, since they were willing to make TNA into a cornerstone of their station when the initial deal was signed last year. DA could get ROH for significantly cheaper than Impact, and by putting the two together, it seemed like they were trying to build a decent following of pro wrestlers and diversify their network. It happens all the time in TV; you add another element to the sort of programming you run, and if it catches on, that's a new demographic you can court and drive subscriptions with. But ROH didn't drive subscriptions because it was available elsewhere, and it performed even less than TNA because DA's age demographics skew so outrageously high, in contrast to the ROH product which is maybe not the best wrestling show for a bunch of 50+ year-olds. And then the whole thing had the extra 'benefit' of being up against NXT, which is naturally going to draw away a lot of core wrestling fans. What the exact intention it was there, we can't say. Maybe they were vetting ROH as a replacement that cost significantly less and came with less headache than TNA. Maybe they geuinely hoped they could become a network with wrestling and use that to change demographics and appeal to advertisers who will show their ads on wrestling shows--because as I've said before, DA's current main programming attract advertisers even less eager to advertise on wrestling because it is all very old people-centric. But whatever the reason, putting TNA and ROH into a programming block isn't sabotage. That's why "programming block" is a thing. And what I get the biggest kick out of with this conspiracy is that TNA is once again at the "Dave Meltzer wants to destroy TNA" narrative that Dixie keeps screaming about. As though he and DA were conspiring to tank ratings solely to ruin her company. It's just so very sad. |
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Post by evilone on Nov 19, 2015 17:52:57 GMT -5
There could be some truth that DA wanted out of TNA agreement, maybe they didn't like what they have signed. But on the other hand how come TNA didn't ask for wrestling exclusivity to be put in the contract is beyond me. In the end there were probably some people who were watching TNA and then turned exclusively to ROH once it started airing but their numbers cannot be determined nor those people can be considered the reason for ratings.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 19, 2015 17:58:57 GMT -5
"I'm telling you it's Paragon Pro Wrestling's fault we didn't get a 0.2"
-Dixie Carter, meeting with Pop TV execs after TNA's debut
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 19, 2015 20:56:44 GMT -5
There could be some truth that DA wanted out of TNA agreement, maybe they didn't like what they have signed. But on the other hand how come TNA didn't ask for wrestling exclusivity to be put in the contract is beyond me. In the end there were probably some people who were watching TNA and then turned exclusively to ROH once it started airing but their numbers cannot be determined nor those people can be considered the reason for ratings. TNA were not in a position to ask for much. They already got those recap shows for whatever reason and a repeat airing of Impact. And I think DA wanted both promotions. But it didn't work out the way they wanted. And also TNA shouldn't have been worried about what RoH is doing. Just F***ing Do You. That goes for both the TNA higher ups AND the wrestlers who got butthurt over the office not telling them about RoH. |
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Post by Mayonnaise on Nov 19, 2015 21:29:18 GMT -5
There could be some truth that DA wanted out of TNA agreement, maybe they didn't like what they have signed. But on the other hand how come TNA didn't ask for wrestling exclusivity to be put in the contract is beyond me. In the end there were probably some people who were watching TNA and then turned exclusively to ROH once it started airing but their numbers cannot be determined nor those people can be considered the reason for ratings. TNA did not do the DA deal, they hired an outside company to handle all of that and that company did not know or think to include EXCLUSIVITY since they had never dealt with wrestling before. Now that does lead to a TNA failure to make note of that or make sure it was in the deal but they also trusted the company they hired which I cannot blame them for. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 20, 2015 4:13:57 GMT -5
Personally I blame the cancellation of TNA on that mission to Pluto.
Why?
No reason. But it makes about as much sense as blaming ROH.
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Post by Starshine on Nov 21, 2015 0:39:16 GMT -5
Here's a direct look into the mind of one a TNA executives.
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Post by saintpat on Nov 21, 2015 1:20:38 GMT -5
Yeah, the fact that TNA had absolutely no plans to tape new episodes had nothing to do with it appearing to be a lame duck promotion.
ROH released a response to this report: "LOL TNA."
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Post by benstudd on Nov 22, 2015 1:12:39 GMT -5
Would make some sense if not for the fact Destination America cancelled TNA long before ROH came to the channel. But everything was announced around the same time. In a short time it was "DA is dropping TNA" and "ROH is coming and being put on the same day as TNA". It was a double assassination. And lots of fans dropped the ship after that. Not saying it was ROH's fault. But TNA were f***ed. |
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Post by benstudd on Nov 22, 2015 1:16:30 GMT -5
Seems really weird they would get a rival wrestling program, and put it on the same day. If it wasn't sabotage seems like really bad planning.. Or, their attempt to build a programming block of pro wrestling, since they were willing to make TNA into a cornerstone of their station when the initial deal was signed last year. DA could get ROH for significantly cheaper than Impact, and by putting the two together, it seemed like they were trying to build a decent following of pro wrestlers and diversify their network. It happens all the time in TV; you add another element to the sort of programming you run, and if it catches on, that's a new demographic you can court and drive subscriptions with. But ROH didn't drive subscriptions because it was available elsewhere, and it performed even less than TNA because DA's age demographics skew so outrageously high, in contrast to the ROH product which is maybe not the best wrestling show for a bunch of 50+ year-olds. And then the whole thing had the extra 'benefit' of being up against NXT, which is naturally going to draw away a lot of core wrestling fans. What the exact intention it was there, we can't say. Maybe they were vetting ROH as a replacement that cost significantly less and came with less headache than TNA. Maybe they geuinely hoped they could become a network with wrestling and use that to change demographics and appeal to advertisers who will show their ads on wrestling shows--because as I've said before, DA's current main programming attract advertisers even less eager to advertise on wrestling because it is all very old people-centric. But whatever the reason, putting TNA and ROH into a programming block isn't sabotage. That's why "programming block" is a thing. And what I get the biggest kick out of with this conspiracy is that TNA is once again at the "Dave Meltzer wants to destroy TNA" narrative that Dixie keeps screaming about. As though he and DA were conspiring to tank ratings solely to ruin her company. It's just so very sad. They didn't want a pro wrestling block, didn't they just cancel 3 TNA shows just before that? |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 22, 2015 3:07:01 GMT -5
Or, their attempt to build a programming block of pro wrestling, since they were willing to make TNA into a cornerstone of their station when the initial deal was signed last year. DA could get ROH for significantly cheaper than Impact, and by putting the two together, it seemed like they were trying to build a decent following of pro wrestlers and diversify their network. It happens all the time in TV; you add another element to the sort of programming you run, and if it catches on, that's a new demographic you can court and drive subscriptions with. But ROH didn't drive subscriptions because it was available elsewhere, and it performed even less than TNA because DA's age demographics skew so outrageously high, in contrast to the ROH product which is maybe not the best wrestling show for a bunch of 50+ year-olds. And then the whole thing had the extra 'benefit' of being up against NXT, which is naturally going to draw away a lot of core wrestling fans. What the exact intention it was there, we can't say. Maybe they were vetting ROH as a replacement that cost significantly less and came with less headache than TNA. Maybe they geuinely hoped they could become a network with wrestling and use that to change demographics and appeal to advertisers who will show their ads on wrestling shows--because as I've said before, DA's current main programming attract advertisers even less eager to advertise on wrestling because it is all very old people-centric. But whatever the reason, putting TNA and ROH into a programming block isn't sabotage. That's why "programming block" is a thing. And what I get the biggest kick out of with this conspiracy is that TNA is once again at the "Dave Meltzer wants to destroy TNA" narrative that Dixie keeps screaming about. As though he and DA were conspiring to tank ratings solely to ruin her company. It's just so very sad. They didn't want a pro wrestling block, didn't they just cancel 3 TNA shows just before that? All of the extra TNA stuff they ran was filler content, by and large, and it wasn't pulling in halfway decent ratings for the network, unlike TNA's Wednesday night airings which did. A niche channel like DA is always going to run filler like reruns of that week's episode and even older episodes, just to fill space. But when that filler content is on the 'do not advertise" list, it brings more trouble than it solves. Without even pulling network-best ratings like TNA's Wednesday runs do, they pulled the plug because it was totally pointless. A themed programming block where they put two different wrestling companies on for a night of wrestling is a different matter entirely. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 22, 2015 4:12:34 GMT -5
Would make some sense if not for the fact Destination America cancelled TNA long before ROH came to the channel. But everything was announced around the same time. In a short time it was "DA is dropping TNA" and "ROH is coming and being put on the same day as TNA". It was a double assassination. And lots of fans dropped the ship after that. Not saying it was ROH's fault. But TNA were f***ed. Word about TNA's cancellation was before ROH came to the network. TNA denied it was true and Destination America was mum on the subject. That was months before ROH showing up on the radar. And fans left TNA in droves during their last months on Spike and didn't follow them to DA. TNA's numbers on Spike was barely a million their last 6 months there. It got worst when they made the leap. And don't expect it to return back to Spike level because TNA is lame duck. Will they blame ROH or POP for the numbers in 6 months? My guess is both. |
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Post by Rave on Nov 25, 2015 0:25:27 GMT -5
"I'm telling you it's Paragon Pro Wrestling's fault we didn't get a 0.2" -Dixie Carter, meeting with Pop TV execs after TNA's debut Paragon Pro Wrestling left POP already, so if she even tries to claim that she's truly an idiot and a liar.  |
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Post by Aya Reiko on Nov 25, 2015 1:41:59 GMT -5
TNA takes a page right out of Vince Russo's playbook when assigning blame when things go wrong; Blame everyone except yourself.
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 26, 2015 0:29:04 GMT -5
"I'm telling you it's Paragon Pro Wrestling's fault we didn't get a 0.2" -Dixie Carter, meeting with Pop TV execs after TNA's debut Paragon Pro Wrestling left POP already, so if she even tries to claim that she's truly an idiot and a liar. "Well, they left such a bad taste in Pop's idiot viewers' mouths, that they didn't want to watch our superior product! Man, these execs are such dumdums..." "Ms. Carter, we're still in the room, we can still hear you! In fact, you're not even talking into your phone, you're talking into a stapler!" |
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Post by SAJ Forth on Dec 8, 2015 14:43:54 GMT -5
Man this mess keeps getting weirder.
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