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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 16:39:40 GMT -5
Rajah referencing a Dave Meltzer report vs. TNA's actual people. At this point, TNA doesn't have any goodwill or the benefit of the doubt anymore to be taken seriously. Therfore, I wholeheartedly believe they are paying out of pocket to be on Pop because nobody else (at least, besides WGN) was willing to give them any money, due to their track record and stigma of pro wrestling. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 29, 2015 16:50:42 GMT -5
Rajah referencing a Dave Meltzer report vs. TNA's actual people. At this point, TNA doesn't have any goodwill or the benefit of the doubt anymore to be taken seriously. Therfore, I wholeheartedly believe they are paying out of pocket to be on Pop because nobody else (at least, besides WGN) was willing to give them any money, due to their track record and stigma of pro wrestling. Also it goes against everything else on the network... EVERY other thing on POP are paid timeslots... so I can't see why they'd decide to change business practices for TNA. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 16:53:42 GMT -5
Rajah referencing a Dave Meltzer report vs. TNA's actual people. At this point, TNA doesn't have any goodwill or the benefit of the doubt anymore to be taken seriously. Therfore, I wholeheartedly believe they are paying out of pocket to be on Pop because nobody else (at least, besides WGN) was willing to give them any money, due to their track record and stigma of pro wrestling. Also it goes against everything else on the network... EVERY other thing on POP are paid timeslots... so I can't see why they'd decide to change business practices for TNA. I guess it's possible, if they think TNA will boost the general public awareness of the channel and thus completely failed to do any research on this whole DA fiasco before they invested in them. Unlikely, though. |
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Post by chrom on Nov 29, 2015 16:55:12 GMT -5
I'd believe Meltzer's word far more before I'd believe anything from TNA.
Especially how one report was that they had gotten a 60 Million dollar deal from Sony Six.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 17:48:57 GMT -5
Also it goes against everything else on the network... EVERY other thing on POP are paid timeslots... so I can't see why they'd decide to change business practices for TNA. I guess it's possible, if they think TNA will boost the general public awareness of the channel and thus completely failed to do any research on this whole DA fiasco before they invested in them. Unlikely, though. I think Pop's modus operandi is different from Spike and Destination America where both had big expectations that TNA would be a cornerstone program and could help bolster ratings in other shows they had, while Pop is viewing them as paid syndication and will put up with them as long as they pay up. Which I don't see lasting for very long. I'm not certain if the UK tour will be that profitable (and it'd piss off Sony Six something fierce if TNA wholeheartedly does the tour while cancelling their India trip and citing terrorism as the reason), and the three US areas they would tape at (the Impact Zone, Bethlehem, and the Manhattan Center) wouldn't exactly be cheap (Bethlehem, probably, but not the other two). Again, TNA burned the domestic market so badly it's just a pile of scorched earth with a negative reception amongst everybody but a clan of devoted (and delusional) marks. If that don't kill TNA, I don't know what will. |
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Post by moondoggie on Nov 29, 2015 17:57:38 GMT -5
I guess it's possible, if they think TNA will boost the general public awareness of the channel and thus completely failed to do any research on this whole DA fiasco before they invested in them. Unlikely, though. I think Pop's modus operandi is different from Spike and Destination America where both had big expectations that TNA would be a cornerstone program and could help bolster ratings in other shows they had, while Pop is viewing them as paid syndication and will put up with them as long as they pay up. Which I don't see lasting for very long. I'm not certain if the UK tour will be that profitable (and it'd piss off Sony Six something fierce if TNA wholeheartedly does the tour while cancelling their India trip and citing terrorism as the reason), and the three US areas they would tape at (the Impact Zone, Bethlehem, and the Manhattan Center) wouldn't exactly be cheap (Bethlehem, probably, but not the other two). Again, TNA burned the domestic market so badly it's just a pile of scorched earth with a negative reception amongst everybody but a clan of devoted (and delusional) marks. If that don't kill TNA, I don't know what will. I want to feel sad for them....but....in all honesty they are extremely delusional to continue following this company as "fans" |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 18:12:10 GMT -5
I think Pop's modus operandi is different from Spike and Destination America where both had big expectations that TNA would be a cornerstone program and could help bolster ratings in other shows they had, while Pop is viewing them as paid syndication and will put up with them as long as they pay up. Which I don't see lasting for very long. I'm not certain if the UK tour will be that profitable (and it'd piss off Sony Six something fierce if TNA wholeheartedly does the tour while cancelling their India trip and citing terrorism as the reason), and the three US areas they would tape at (the Impact Zone, Bethlehem, and the Manhattan Center) wouldn't exactly be cheap (Bethlehem, probably, but not the other two). Again, TNA burned the domestic market so badly it's just a pile of scorched earth with a negative reception amongst everybody but a clan of devoted (and delusional) marks. If that don't kill TNA, I don't know what will. I want to feel sad for them....but....in all honesty they are extremely delusional to continue following this company as "fans" It's not that I don't want them to support the company, I just think they don't support hard enough. And I don't mean running around, insulting anybody who doesn't like TNA as a WWE fanboy, but actually getting merchandise, going to their shows, buying their PPVs. You know, investing money? Instead, they often pirate Impacts, One Night Onlys, and their PPV events, wait for Baghdad Bob Ryder to offer discounts to attend their tapings, and want TNA to basically reward them for supporting the company, not with better matches and storylines, but with freebies. Granted, TNA hasn't really done anything to provide much support, outside of a feel glimpses (though that can just be dumb luck), but devoted fans support something through thick and thin with much more investment than what I have seen from those people. That's my opinion, of course. |
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Post by chrom on Nov 29, 2015 18:25:04 GMT -5
I think Pop's modus operandi is different from Spike and Destination America where both had big expectations that TNA would be a cornerstone program and could help bolster ratings in other shows they had, while Pop is viewing them as paid syndication and will put up with them as long as they pay up. Which I don't see lasting for very long. I'm not certain if the UK tour will be that profitable (and it'd piss off Sony Six something fierce if TNA wholeheartedly does the tour while cancelling their India trip and citing terrorism as the reason), and the three US areas they would tape at (the Impact Zone, Bethlehem, and the Manhattan Center) wouldn't exactly be cheap (Bethlehem, probably, but not the other two). Again, TNA burned the domestic market so badly it's just a pile of scorched earth with a negative reception amongst everybody but a clan of devoted (and delusional) marks. If that don't kill TNA, I don't know what will. I want to feel sad for them....but....in all honesty they are extremely delusional to continue following this company as "fans" I was at a place the other day and you should've seen some of the stuff that they were saying and to those who didn't agree with their mindset even threatening them. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 30, 2015 13:38:55 GMT -5
Rajah referencing a Dave Meltzer report vs. TNA's actual people. At this point, TNA doesn't have any goodwill or the benefit of the doubt anymore to be taken seriously. Therfore, I wholeheartedly believe they are paying out of pocket to be on Pop because nobody else (at least, besides WGN) was willing to give them any money, due to their track record and stigma of pro wrestling. Also it goes against everything else on the network... EVERY other thing on POP are paid timeslots... so I can't see why they'd decide to change business practices for TNA. Because they're desperate for "original" programming. Pop is kind of a shitty brand too so turning their noses up at TNA would be throwing stones in a glass house. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 19:35:35 GMT -5
I want to feel sad for them....but....in all honesty they are extremely delusional to continue following this company as "fans" I was at a place the other day and you should've seen some of the stuff that they were saying and to those who didn't agree with their mindset even threatening them. It a "safespace" mindset where people get "trigger" when someone has a different opinion then them. It pretty much a cult like mindset where everyone need to have the same opinion so no one feeling get hurt. |
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Post by chrom on Dec 1, 2015 12:45:08 GMT -5
I've looked up some stuff and even though POP is in more homes than DA, their ratings and viewership is lower than what DA gets.
The highest show the past month for them on there was a rerun of Dawson's Creek with 88,000 thousand viewers.
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Post by Hypnosis on Dec 1, 2015 12:53:00 GMT -5
The highest show the past month for them on there was a rerun of Dawson's Creek with 88,000 thousand viewers.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 13:16:11 GMT -5
Dawson's crying face > TNA.
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Post by jagilki on Dec 1, 2015 13:43:29 GMT -5
Dixie Carter: This Dawson show does HUGE numbers. Manick, Josh, I think I've got the next big angle for the company. Dixies Creek.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 14:27:57 GMT -5
I've looked up some stuff and even though POP is in more homes than DA, their ratings and viewership is lower than what DA gets. The highest show the past month for them on there was a rerun of Dawson's Creek with 88,000 thousand viewers. Probably because pop still has the stimga of being the channel that you only watch to see what on TV. |
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Post by chrom on Dec 1, 2015 14:33:12 GMT -5
I've looked up some stuff and even though POP is in more homes than DA, their ratings and viewership is lower than what DA gets. The highest show the past month for them on there was a rerun of Dawson's Creek with 88,000 thousand viewers. Probably because pop still has the stimga of being the channel that you only watch to see what on TV. At this rate, they are going to get beat by Lucha Underground. |
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 2, 2015 6:56:43 GMT -5
Probably because pop still has the stimga of being the channel that you only watch to see what on TV. At this rate, they are going to get beat by Lucha Underground. And everything would be right in the world. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 13:14:12 GMT -5
It's kind of amazing to think TNA went from averaging around 1M viewers and arguably being on the cusp of becoming a solid alternative to getting cancelled by Spike, going to a smaller network where they get around 300k total viewers, to going to an even smaller channel where they will be lucky to get 100k viewers and may very realistically get smoked by Dawson'sCreek reruns.
That brand is dead.
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Post by chrom on Dec 2, 2015 14:44:11 GMT -5
Apparently in an interview The President of POP believes that TNA will get them the same numbers and viewership that TNA was getting on Spike.
Edit: Beaten by two seconds
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 2, 2015 14:59:56 GMT -5
Apparently in an interview The President of POP believes that TNA will get them the same numbers and viewership that TNA was getting on Spike. Edit: Beaten by two seconds HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!! |
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