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Post by Ashy Larry on Nov 29, 2015 17:37:20 GMT -5
It seemed as if the heels were almost always the champion. I don't recall them having a Hogan or Cena fresh meat babyface ever being their top guy during that time period. It was always a heel Kurt Angle, Christian, or Bobby Roode type figure holding the belt. Yes every now and then the face would win, but it would be in a controversial fashion or due to interference. Name more than 10 PPV main event matches from 2007 - early 2014 where the main event would have a clean finish. It had gotten to the point to where Russo's charm of unpredictable outcomes became predictable. When he left temporarily in late 2009, iMPACT! started to pick up a little and AJ Styles won the TNA World Heavyweight Championship in a non-Russo type fashion at No Surrender 2009. Then Hogan came in and you know the rest while Russo was still there. I will give Hogan credit on one thing, he undid what Russo did with the Abyss character from 2008 - 2009. Green Lantern Abyss was somewhat better than Asylum Abyss who was afraid of using chairs even if it was highly stupid.
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Post by Halloween on Nov 30, 2015 7:23:27 GMT -5
People say Russo is a terrible writer but honestly TNA 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011 and 2012 were all pretty good television. Sure, they had some dumb stuff but it's gold compared to what we have today.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 30, 2015 12:05:01 GMT -5
Eh, I don't know if those years were more a result of Russo's writing, or more a result of having a deeper and stronger roster to work with. There was still some awful stuff during those years (though late 2009-early 2010 was solid).
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 30, 2015 12:06:30 GMT -5
Eh, I don't know if those years were more a result of Russo's writing, or more a result of having a deeper and stronger roster to work with. There was still some awful stuff during those years (though late 2009-early 2010 was solid). Yeah, from what I remember generally the stories for TNA were still God awful... but it was slightly balanced out with the matches being good to great.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 1, 2015 20:30:21 GMT -5
Eh, I don't know if those years were more a result of Russo's writing, or more a result of having a deeper and stronger roster to work with. There was still some awful stuff during those years (though late 2009-early 2010 was solid). Yeah, from what I remember generally the stories for TNA were still God awful... but it was slightly balanced out with the matches being good to great. Exactly. TNA's claim to fame for the longest time was, no matter how goofy the stories were, at least the wrestling on the major shows was better than what you would see on most WWE shows. Sadly for TNA, that hasn't actually been true since like 2012.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 1, 2015 20:34:07 GMT -5
People say Russo is a terrible writer but honestly TNA 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011 and 2012 were all pretty good television. Sure, they had some dumb stuff but it's gold compared to what we have today. Russo wasn't writing for the good part of 2012. He left in May and was gone for the rest of the year. And that stretch of June 2012-Dec 2012 is a better, more consistent week-in week-out six months than any of the other years you mentioned.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 1, 2015 20:36:48 GMT -5
People say Russo is a terrible writer but honestly TNA 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011 and 2012 were all pretty good television. Sure, they had some dumb stuff but it's gold compared to what we have today. Russo wasn't writing for the good part of 2012. He left in May and was gone for the rest of the year. And that stretch of June 2012-Dec 2012 is a better, more consistent week-in week-out six months than any of the other years you mentioned. For real. It's sad that it's probably gonna get lost as time goes on and the LOLTNA pile grows larger but Impact in the summer of 2012 was about as good of a wrestling show as you'll find anywhere.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 1, 2015 21:24:20 GMT -5
Russo was gone by 2011 (well sent home until his contract was up) and was not brought back until 2013 when Hogan made it known he was leaving. 10-13 was Bischoff, Hogan, Brother Love and Matt Conway writing. Then of course the last half of '09 was just them putting on good shows since they could do nothing long term with Hogan taking over in Jan. 2010. So of the 7 years listed, he was responsible for maybe 2 1/2 years.
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Post by benstudd on Dec 2, 2015 1:17:38 GMT -5
Russo was gone by 2011 (well sent home until his contract was up) and was not brought back until 2013 when Hogan made it known he was leaving. 10-13 was Bischoff, Hogan, Brother Love and Matt Conway writing. Then of course the last half of '09 was just them putting on good shows since they could do nothing long term with Hogan taking over in Jan. 2010. So of the 7 years listed, he was responsible for maybe 2 1/2 years. Yea I remember after Russo left in late 2011, TNA got a whole lot better. 2012 is considered a "comeback" period for TNA, esp. the first half. Then in the second half they did Aces and 8s and Hardy defeated Aries.
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Post by benstudd on Dec 2, 2015 1:19:48 GMT -5
People say Russo is a terrible writer but honestly TNA 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011 and 2012 were all pretty good television. Sure, they had some dumb stuff but it's gold compared to what we have today. Russo wasn't writing for the good part of 2012. He left in May and was gone for the rest of the year. And that stretch of June 2012-Dec 2012 is a better, more consistent week-in week-out six months than any of the other years you mentioned. *facepalm* Hogan and Bully with Hogan's daughter was horrible.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 2, 2015 14:08:24 GMT -5
Russo wasn't writing for the good part of 2012. He left in May and was gone for the rest of the year. And that stretch of June 2012-Dec 2012 is a better, more consistent week-in week-out six months than any of the other years you mentioned. *facepalm* Hogan and Bully with Hogan's daughter was horrible. That didn't get bad until January 2013.
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Post by Aya Reiko on Dec 2, 2015 14:42:07 GMT -5
Russo was gone by 2011 (well sent home until his contract was up) and was not brought back until 2013 when Hogan made it known he was leaving. 10-13 was Bischoff, Hogan, Brother Love and Matt Conway writing. Then of course the last half of '09 was just them putting on good shows since they could do nothing long term with Hogan taking over in Jan. 2010. So of the 7 years listed, he was responsible for maybe 2 1/2 years. And up until mid '09, it was Jarrett-Mantel-Russo writing with Jarrett being the one in charge. The only period Russo was completely left to his own devices was when TNA was on auto-pilot in late 2009.
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Post by benstudd on Dec 3, 2015 0:15:16 GMT -5
*facepalm* Hogan and Bully with Hogan's daughter was horrible. That didn't get bad until January 2013. It got bad the moment Bully turned face at BFG.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Dec 7, 2015 15:58:33 GMT -5
That didn't get bad until January 2013. It got bad the moment Bully turned face at BFG. I will say Taz's "Is it getting hot in here" line was the best part of his run there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 23:52:29 GMT -5
People say Russo is a terrible writer but honestly TNA 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011 and 2012 were all pretty good television. Sure, they had some dumb stuff but it's gold compared to what we have today. Russo wasn't writing for the good part of 2012. He left in May and was gone for the rest of the year. And that stretch of June 2012-Dec 2012 is a better, more consistent week-in week-out six months than any of the other years you mentioned. Wasn't Bruce Pritchard head of creative at that point? and if i remember right he bungled Bobby Roooooooooooooos contract and was fired and the shows began to suck again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 0:32:44 GMT -5
I never see eye to eye with people who look back fondly at Vince Russo's work in TNA. Russo should thank his lucky stars for Hogan and Bischoff because some people talk like the guy was finally about to figure wrestling out by the end of 2009 before those two showed up. The one thing I can appreciate from Russo is that he'd always try and keep everyone occupied with some kind of storyline but that's more a sad statement on the wrestling business that I appreciate someone upholding one of the basic tenets of storytelling than it is about Russo doing anything well. We're talking about a guy who had to be hired privately and knowing that his employment was to be kept a secret, still couldn't help himself to book a pole match. I implore everyone to not let Stockholm syndrome get the best of you. He was a bad man and we can't let him hurt us anymore.
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Post by siredger on Dec 8, 2015 1:21:35 GMT -5
Russo wasn't writing for the good part of 2012. He left in May and was gone for the rest of the year. And that stretch of June 2012-Dec 2012 is a better, more consistent week-in week-out six months than any of the other years you mentioned. Wasn't Bruce Pritchard head of creative at that point? and if i remember right he bungled Bobby Roooooooooooooos contract and was fired and the shows began to suck again. Bruce Pritchard was Head of Talent Relations when the Bobby Roode contract incident happened.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 8, 2015 12:16:06 GMT -5
Russo wasn't writing for the good part of 2012. He left in May and was gone for the rest of the year. And that stretch of June 2012-Dec 2012 is a better, more consistent week-in week-out six months than any of the other years you mentioned. Wasn't Bruce Pritchard head of creative at that point? and if i remember right he bungled Bobby Roooooooooooooos contract and was fired and the shows began to suck again. He was indeed, and I've honestly never made the correlation of his firing after the Roode fiasco and the shows sucking until now. Was that his only period as head of creative of a wrestling promotion? It was really, really good. Makes me wish his name came up more often than the "WWE should consider hiring Vince Russo" threads that pop up monthly now.
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Post by benstudd on Dec 8, 2015 20:01:06 GMT -5
Russo wasn't writing for the good part of 2012. He left in May and was gone for the rest of the year. And that stretch of June 2012-Dec 2012 is a better, more consistent week-in week-out six months than any of the other years you mentioned. Wasn't Bruce Pritchard head of creative at that point? and if i remember right he bungled Bobby Roooooooooooooos contract and was fired and the shows began to suck again. It's weird how Pritchard will be remembered in TNA for one good Bobby Roode(the Roode run post-Russo) moment and one bad Bobby Roode moment(the contract problem). Maybe Pritchard liked Roode so much he secretely want him to leave TNA and sign with the WWE. lol
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