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Post by jimmyjames on Dec 5, 2015 7:36:25 GMT -5
I get that TNA is on a "shoestring budget", but saying they can only afford the likes of Freight Train sounds pretty hyperbolic. On a shoestring budget it's not. Can't get decent names for less than scale. TNA used to able to do that. Not anymore when there are plenty of better opportunities and paydays out there. That was the one carrot on the stick TNA had when they were on Spike and actually gave a damn about PPVs. Exposure. Now that they're on their revolving channels and treat PPVs like 2 week old Thanksgiving leftovers, why should anyone go there unless they have a personal relationship with someone their, the Impact zone or where ever their taping is nearby, or maybe, they want to work a few shows against over wrestlers and maybe help improve themselves. But those are only 2-3 appearance reasons. Not to mention, how well known TNA is for treating their talent.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 5, 2015 9:34:29 GMT -5
See, I agree with you on Shera. I don't care for TNA's business practices, and I don't like that talents are not being paid on time. I just don't think the wrestling business will improve with their closure. None of the bigger indies are going to get bigger than they are. And I feel there needs to be a non-WWE "sports entertainment"-styled promotion out there because not everyone is cut out for WWE, and not everyone is cut out for the more heavily workrate oriented major indies. And while I want the talented wrestlers to work, I really, REALLY don't like the idea of a mass exodus of TNA refugees creating/exacerbating an already difficult to break glass ceiling in WWE or any other promotion. I don't want to see WWE bringing TNA alumni into NXT and trying and failing to put even the most mediocre to shit TNA talents on that same pedestal as their big name Indy alumni and see deserving WWE homegrown talents losing spots to talentless hacks like the aforementioned Shera. On the other side of that, though- TNA closing won't make some bigger indy the number two...but that's the point. The fact of the matter is that nature abhors a vacuum. ROH, Lucha Underground, EVOLVE, Beyond, SHIMMER- they don't HAVE to get bigger than they are to take the number two promotion. That won't happen. What WILL happen if TNA closes down though is the same thing to form TNA: Some other company, which will almost definitely treat the employees better than TNA did, will see that there's a vacuum for a number two promotion and form a whole new company to take TNA's place as number two- much like TNA took WCW's place as number two. Maybe it'll be Global Force, maybe it'll be a company similar to that that does it- but when TNA goes, a newer, almost certainly better company will replace TNA as the "WCW" of the wrestling industry- and when that happens, there will be a better endgame. The TNA refugees will have a place to go to be stars, indy talent will have a place to go that doesn't seem like giving up hope of being a top star, and more importantly, a new promotion with a fresh start will mean WWE has to run scared to keep their own talent, thus leading to them either having to give them a better chance or risk that new company signing them away. if anyone with the money to do that could've it'd have happened already.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 5, 2015 12:02:36 GMT -5
On the other side of that, though- TNA closing won't make some bigger indy the number two...but that's the point. The fact of the matter is that nature abhors a vacuum. ROH, Lucha Underground, EVOLVE, Beyond, SHIMMER- they don't HAVE to get bigger than they are to take the number two promotion. That won't happen. What WILL happen if TNA closes down though is the same thing to form TNA: Some other company, which will almost definitely treat the employees better than TNA did, will see that there's a vacuum for a number two promotion and form a whole new company to take TNA's place as number two- much like TNA took WCW's place as number two. Maybe it'll be Global Force, maybe it'll be a company similar to that that does it- but when TNA goes, a newer, almost certainly better company will replace TNA as the "WCW" of the wrestling industry- and when that happens, there will be a better endgame. The TNA refugees will have a place to go to be stars, indy talent will have a place to go that doesn't seem like giving up hope of being a top star, and more importantly, a new promotion with a fresh start will mean WWE has to run scared to keep their own talent, thus leading to them either having to give them a better chance or risk that new company signing them away. if anyone with the money to do that could've it'd have happened already. On the contrary- the reason that it hasn't happened isn't just a "money" thing, but also a "talent" thing. If you want to be a WCW-level show, you also need the best talent available...and right now pretty much every company on television has their wrestlers under contract in a way that, no matter how much money or desire you have to make a WCW-level company, you can't GET the talent necessary to make that company work. To be a WCW-level roster, you need star power to make yourselves stars, and if it isn't WWE having someone under contract, or TNA having them under contract, or Lucha Underground under contract, or ROH under contract, or New Japan under contract...suddenly, that cupboard is too bare for a competitor to rise up. MAYBE you can lock up Rey Mysterio- and if you're really lucky, perchance you can get AJ Lee to come out of retirement (with the huge pipedream of that being the carrot to lure CM Punk)...but that's really the best big-name talent available to launch a competitor on. Global Force is currently flailing because of this exact issue, and they had the inherent bonus of their owner being Jeff Jarrett, one of that small list of big name talent on the free agent market. Yes, anyone with money could try to form a competitor to take out TNA...but until TNA dies, that competitor won't be able to get the talent necessary to do it.
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Post by jagilki on Dec 5, 2015 14:44:19 GMT -5
TNA on POP TV will be the first ever live weekly TV Wrestling show filmed exclusively using WWE 2k16 Universe mode and CAWS. Head to impactwrestling.com today to submit your own CAW!
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Dec 5, 2015 16:31:40 GMT -5
I'd replace the entire roster with people I found roaming around the bus station.
The quality of the wrestling on the show is already f***ing horrid, so it's not like anyone will notice when we replace Tigre Uno with Bob The DVD Man.
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Post by gatordone on Dec 5, 2015 17:14:21 GMT -5
How is it that TNA has lasted longer than ECW and close to the longevity as WCW.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 17:37:06 GMT -5
How is it that TNA has lasted longer than ECW and close to the longevity as WCW. At this point, you could easily say "dumb luck", and I'd believe you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 18:29:51 GMT -5
TNA on POP TV will be the first ever live weekly TV Wrestling show filmed exclusively using WWE 2k16 Universe mode and CAWS. Head to impactwrestling.com today to submit your own CAW! If they get Corey Graves and Curfew Man I'm in.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 21:51:34 GMT -5
See, I agree with you on Shera. I don't care for TNA's business practices, and I don't like that talents are not being paid on time. I just don't think the wrestling business will improve with their closure. None of the bigger indies are going to get bigger than they are. And I feel there needs to be a non-WWE "sports entertainment"-styled promotion out there because not everyone is cut out for WWE, and not everyone is cut out for the more heavily workrate oriented major indies. And while I want the talented wrestlers to work, I really, REALLY don't like the idea of a mass exodus of TNA refugees creating/exacerbating an already difficult to break glass ceiling in WWE or any other promotion. I don't want to see WWE bringing TNA alumni into NXT and trying and failing to put even the most mediocre to shit TNA talents on that same pedestal as their big name Indy alumni and see deserving WWE homegrown talents losing spots to talentless hacks like the aforementioned Shera. On the other side of that, though- TNA closing won't make some bigger indy the number two...but that's the point. The fact of the matter is that nature abhors a vacuum. ROH, Lucha Underground, EVOLVE, Beyond, SHIMMER- they don't HAVE to get bigger than they are to take the number two promotion. That won't happen. What WILL happen if TNA closes down though is the same thing to form TNA: Some other company, which will almost definitely treat the employees better than TNA did, will see that there's a vacuum for a number two promotion and form a whole new company to take TNA's place as number two- much like TNA took WCW's place as number two. Maybe it'll be Global Force, maybe it'll be a company similar to that that does it- but when TNA goes, a newer, almost certainly better company will replace TNA as the "WCW" of the wrestling industry- and when that happens, there will be a better endgame. The TNA refugees will have a place to go to be stars, indy talent will have a place to go that doesn't seem like giving up hope of being a top star, and more importantly, a new promotion with a fresh start will mean WWE has to run scared to keep their own talent, thus leading to them either having to give them a better chance or risk that new company signing them away. Though I'd argue why they ever should be the #2 promotion, when they can't even get 300 people to pay for their tickets to see their biggest show of the year. If TNA dies, there will be a void, yes, and I doubt Chikara, ROH, Dragongate, CZW, or Lucha Underground will be able to capitalize on that. However, sometimes, progress can only come through the destruction of something, and with the cancerous tumor of TNA purged in the American wrestling caste, this might allow people a chance to flourish. Is it fewer jobs? Yeah, but unlike other promotions that live and die by their decisions, meaning they have to be good and entertaining in order to get the money to keep trickling in, TNA's something that benefits a few idiots while decent workers suffer because TNA pays poorly, TNA doesn't help with health bills, and TNA expects YOU to pitch in. Besides, TNA dying will ensure that people like Dixie Carter, Bob Ryder, and Mahabali Shera never work in wrestling in the States ever again. And I think the ruination of a few people is worth saving the careers of others.
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Post by docwallace on Dec 10, 2015 13:00:46 GMT -5
There is a legit plan for roster expansion coming from the UK tour, which is to run some TNA vs UK matches to fill out the cards with local indy talent - not British BootCamp per se, but a way of drafting in more people. I imagine, much like Grado and Mandrews, you get the right UK talent involved, they'll happily be flown over to do a long weekend of tapings to make you look more international.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jan 26, 2016 19:51:35 GMT -5
There is a legit plan for roster expansion coming from the UK tour, which is to run some TNA vs UK matches to fill out the cards with local indy talent - not British BootCamp per se, but a way of drafting in more people. I imagine, much like Grado and Mandrews, you get the right UK talent involved, they'll happily be flown over to do a long weekend of tapings to make you look more international. The three local talents they had that poll on (which was completely irrelevant as they're just using them all) are all real quality guys. It's weird that for as bad as TNA gets there are still some great young talent getting booked there. Then you have stuff like Shera and you just have to...LOLTNA.
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