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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 22, 2015 16:39:51 GMT -5
A further problem with the Authority is their dependence on corporate-based storylines.
How many more contract signings or performance reviews does the audience need to see?
Especially the child audience they are supposedly targeting.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Dec 22, 2015 16:43:02 GMT -5
Yes. I'm gonna be honest here, I didn't even read the OP. Or anything else in this thread, for that matter. Yes. Yes. f***ing yes. God damned yes. Every f***ing word in the world for yes. Somebody please tell me when we have a concrete "She's never appearing on TV again" confirmation so I can actually start watching the f***ing show again. Pretty much sums it up for me. I'm in the camp that finds Vince completely unbearable as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 16:49:28 GMT -5
Not worst villain ever but I'd say one of the worst villains in the 2010s. Stephanie rarely let's people get over on her and if she does they're either fired (Vicky) or she has a backup plan against them. For example, she was destroying Brie in their match. Brie, the wife amazing wrestler Bryan who's an active competitor compared to Stephanie McMahon, mother of 3 who's always in the office. She's also the master of Triple H and by that I mean this, people shit on Triple H a lot for going over guys but you know what? The only person who can control him is his own wife and they explain that multiple times. She's the one in charge of the Triple H key. What really brings her dominance home is the fact that she always embarrasses the guys. Reigns is one of the only ones she didn't trump but it evens out after last week's episode and still what I'm using as a defense is when she attacked Tom.
Tom is an announcer. That's all he does. Ambrose won a great cage match and they ended the show, the highlight moment of the end, is Stephanie beating up an announcer rather than Ambrose winning the match. It took away from his win and it made their efforts look secondary to Stephanie's wrath. Stephanie had to be on top so they had her break down an announcer of all people to show that rather than having her leave in a bad light.
It's just bad.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 22, 2015 16:49:55 GMT -5
No, because there's a right and a wrong kind of hate in wrestling. Wrong!! Heat is heat. The New Day are the worst heels, because they are getting face pops. You're wrong. Heat is not just heat. Heat is what generates interest in a fight, as in you hate someone and want to see them get their ass kicked. Wrestling tv is supposed to build excitement for showdowns at PPVs. Or at least it used to be and it was a simple, successful formula. It's why there's always a scuffle at weigh ins for boxing or MMA. Steph gets heat sure, but what is it accomplishing? She's not a wrestler, she's not managing any wrestlers. She's the kayfabe and real life co-owner of the organization. She makes everyone on the roster, male, female, rookies or vets, workers or staff look like sniveling cowards. They're playthings for a spoiled brat having a midlife crisis. It's one of the big reasons people are turned off by the product.
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 22, 2015 16:50:10 GMT -5
Most fans feel that young talent should be pushed more and that would improve the product.
I think doing away with authority figures completely and trying to come up with an alternative could help improve the product.
Actually they had it right with Jack Tunney IMO-he showed up when big stuff went down, like screw jobs and contract signings
Stephanie not getting any comeuppance is like a guy robbing a bank and the cops never going after him-soon the tellers will be like "f*** it, give him the money AGAIN"
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 22, 2015 16:54:21 GMT -5
Most fans feel that young talent should be pushed more and that would improve the product. I think doing away with authority figures completely and trying to come up with an alternative could help improve the product. Actually they had it right with Jack Tunney IMO-he showed up when big stuff went down, like screw jobs and contract signings They should just have Vince be the Jack Tunney figure. No more abuse of power, but an owner looking to maintain the integrity of his product.
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 22, 2015 16:55:39 GMT -5
Most fans feel that young talent should be pushed more and that would improve the product. I think doing away with authority figures completely and trying to come up with an alternative could help improve the product. Actually they had it right with Jack Tunney IMO-he showed up when big stuff went down, like screw jobs and contract signings They should just have Vince be the Jack Tunney figure. No more abuse of power, but an owner looking to maintain the integrity of his product. It'd actually seem like a fresh idea to today's audience
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Post by tms on Dec 22, 2015 17:22:12 GMT -5
One of the most hideously untalented "performers" in wrestling history, kayfabe or not.
Vince is the only decent heel the family's ever produced, and I say only as I considered Shane more of a tweener-face.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 22, 2015 19:10:42 GMT -5
I'm under the impression that Stephanie knows good and well what she's doing, and she knows good and well that it pisses people off. She's working you. A work usually has a conclusion. There hasn't been a conclusion to "Steph makes everyone look inferior to her" in two and a half years. I get "wait and see" but there are limits.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 22, 2015 19:44:12 GMT -5
I'm under the impression that Stephanie knows good and well what she's doing, and she knows good and well that it pisses people off. She's working you. A work usually has a conclusion. There hasn't been a conclusion to "Steph makes everyone look inferior to her" in two and a half years. I get "wait and see" but there are limits. But what if you work a work and work yourself into a shoot?
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 22, 2015 19:47:06 GMT -5
A further problem with the Authority is their dependence on corporate-based storylines. How many more contract signings or performance reviews does the audience need to see? Especially the child audience they are supposedly targeting. plus, the (young) adult audience probably don't want to be reminded of the corporate crap some of them have to go thru at work by a form of escapist fiction.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 22, 2015 20:35:41 GMT -5
I dunno what is so funny to me about this picture
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Post by stealthamo on Dec 22, 2015 21:18:46 GMT -5
A work usually has a conclusion. There hasn't been a conclusion to "Steph makes everyone look inferior to her" in two and a half years. I get "wait and see" but there are limits. But what if you work a work and work yourself into a shoot? well spoken brother HH
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Post by angryfan on Dec 22, 2015 22:33:55 GMT -5
No, because there's a right and a wrong kind of hate in wrestling. Wrong!! Heat is heat. The New Day are the worst heels, because they are getting face pops. Heat is not heat. Heat is what draws in paying custoemrs, what makes them want to tune in, spend money, invest, and buy a ticket. If they boo you and then don't show up the next week, that's not "heat" taht's killing the town.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 22:49:18 GMT -5
So by the "all heat is good heat" argument, would the best heel ever be someone who just pulled up a chair and sat in the ring until people started leaving the building and everyone at home changed the channel?
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Post by Racksman on Dec 22, 2015 22:52:54 GMT -5
Stephanie is the worst McMahon to ever be on WWE TV, and that includes, Vince, Linda, Shane, Marissa, Declan, Vince Sr, Hornswoggle and Aurora Rose.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 22, 2015 23:18:01 GMT -5
She'd only be a good heel if people were gonna pay money to see her get what's coming to her at some point.
Since that's never going to happen, she's not a good heel.
Is she hateable, and does she play that character well? Absolutely. But since the part of a heel working the fans is to draw money to see them lose ain't there, it's meaningless.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 23:19:23 GMT -5
"All heat is good heat" is 100% wrong. Others have already explained why, but yeah, it's wrong.
Stephanie is easily the worst heel I have ever seen. Even Reign of Terror HHH got beat some times. Having a heel undercut everyone and get absolutely no comeuppance for it is counter productive and pointless to have on any type of wrestling show. Unless we are bringing back the days of Stephanie eating a finisher from a man, don't bother to put her on TV. Clearly she's not going to sell for any females on the roster since she's so much more Alpha than all of them.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 22, 2015 23:27:03 GMT -5
I just find it unfair to call the wrestlers stupid for not hitting back when she does this kind of thing. I mean, I know damn well why they can't so I'm sure as hell not going to blame them for it, and them going "I'm telling Human Resources" is the kind of real-world logic that you just can't apply to wrestling without the entire premise falling apart because of having to apply it everywhere else for the sake of consistency and continuity.
But it IS also unfair that she's using her TV character to exploit this and gather heat that may never be able to be capitalised on.
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Post by Lazy peon on Dec 22, 2015 23:34:07 GMT -5
Forget the heat arguments, she's bad simply because she puts herself over the actual wrestlers. With no payoff, all it does is make them look worse. And she's been doing this before she even turned heel.
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