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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 16:22:56 GMT -5
I don't know what it would take for them to get her, but just having Ronda Rousey confront her when she's being the worst heel ever would do the trick. They don't have to have Ronda do anything either. Just show up, Steph shits her pants in the middle of the ring and that's it. Problem 1: They already did that, basically, at WrestleMania. Minus the pants-shitting, of course. Problem 2: It's unlikely Dana White and UFC would allow that to happen, and even so, Rousey's popularity has been knocked down a few pegs due to her getting massacred by Holly Holm. Problem 3: It opens up another problem the WWE has, where they crap on the vast majority of their roster, but will bend over backwards for the part-timers and any celebrity. And it would mean that a celebrity was the one that finally struck fear in the Authority, not a disgruntled employee, and it would waste any potential payoff to this long and convoluted angle. @irontyger , man that's sick and disturbing.
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Post by markymark on Dec 23, 2015 18:18:00 GMT -5
The main issue is that she is what HHH was doing 2003-2005(Rarely putting people over unless its ur buddy or Vince forced u to).
She could be used to elevate females like Sasha Banks to the Level Trish/Lita were in their prime (How ironic is that both reached star level after feuding with Steph/winning the feud).
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Dec 26, 2015 22:35:25 GMT -5
I don't know what it would take for them to get her, but just having Ronda Rousey confront her when she's being the worst heel ever would do the trick. They don't have to have Ronda do anything either. Just show up, Steph shits her pants in the middle of the ring and that's it. Problem 1: They already did that, basically, at WrestleMania. Minus the pants-shitting, of course. Problem 2: It's unlikely Dana White and UFC would allow that to happen, and even so, Rousey's popularity has been knocked down a few pegs due to her getting massacred by Holly Holm. Problem 3: It opens up another problem the WWE has, where they crap on the vast majority of their roster, but will bend over backwards for the part-timers and any celebrity. And it would mean that a celebrity was the one that finally struck fear in the Authority, not a disgruntled employee, and it would waste any potential payoff to this long and convoluted angle. @irontyger , man that's sick and disturbing. Plan B: Nia Jax as the monster that finally takes down Daddy's Little Princess.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 26, 2015 23:29:15 GMT -5
"LEAVE LEAVE LEAVE!!!"
*ten seconds later*
"GET BACK HERE!!!"
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Post by jp49er80 on Dec 27, 2015 6:29:17 GMT -5
I will always remember her coming out in the middle of an AJ promo and the announcers practically orgasming at how she was going to 'put AJ in her place' and how she was 'the big dog', 'alpha female' of WWE.
That's a great way to put over your divas champion, to have her f***ing cower from a non-wrestler who's barely been in the ring and actually has no kayfabe reason to be as feared as she is.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Dec 27, 2015 8:44:24 GMT -5
You know how Vickie Guerrero was the best heel female authority figure in the history of pro-wrestling? Arguably one of the greatest non-wrestling heels ever?
Steph should perhaps try to take a few pages from her playbook.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Dec 27, 2015 8:54:34 GMT -5
She is a great heel but her booking is absolutely horrible. The Heel needs to eventually get taken down and she never gets taken down.
Would love for Nia Jax (or Sasha) to align with Roman so that they would finally have someone to be able to actually knock Steph out.
Also she needs to stop doing publicity things showing off the positives. Hard to buy her character when one second she's a stone cold bitch and the next she is talking about cancer patients.
I'm a firm believer in living your gimmick publicly.
Hire someone for the PR stuff (Molly Holly maybe)
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Dec 27, 2015 8:59:06 GMT -5
Ever since all this "Authority" stuff started, the only person in the company who got away with not having to take her crap was Dusty Rhodes, and supposedly she was furious backstage because he shut her down. Bryan laughed in her face after being slapped. ) And he also yelled "YOU HIT LIKE A GIRL".
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Dec 27, 2015 9:08:09 GMT -5
They should just have Vince be the Jack Tunney figure. No more abuse of power, but an owner looking to maintain the integrity of his product. It'd actually seem like a fresh idea to today's audience Nope. For that to work, it must be someone else who is not a McMahon.
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Post by nisidhe on Dec 27, 2015 9:18:13 GMT -5
It'd actually seem like a fresh idea to today's audience Nope. For that to work, it must be someone else who is not a McMahon. I agree wholeheartedly. I would even go so far as to suggest that, the further any McMahon is kept from the on-air product from now on, the better. Indeed, the heel authority figure has been so played out during the last fifteen years through pro wrestling (not just WWE) that the idea should probably sit on the shelf in the archives next to the Benoit tapes and the Snuka tribute. I'm serious; it's absolutely finished as a tool in the wrestling booker's toolbox.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 27, 2015 10:30:57 GMT -5
The fans are to blame, though, because they boo Steph in the arenas.
One thing fans never get is that if you don't like someone legitimately, rather than finding them an entertaining heel, you don't boo. You sit in silence.
Boos and cheers equal overness. If you don't react, they're not over.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 27, 2015 12:17:32 GMT -5
Nope. For that to work, it must be someone else who is not a McMahon. I agree wholeheartedly. I would even go so far as to suggest that, the further any McMahon is kept from the on-air product from now on, the better. Indeed, the heel authority figure has been so played out during the last fifteen years through pro wrestling (not just WWE) that the idea should probably sit on the shelf in the archives next to the Benoit tapes and the Snuka tribute. I'm serious; it's absolutely finished as a tool in the wrestling booker's toolbox. Jack Tunney was a face and was rarely seen, usually only showing up in taped statements to resolve controversies. Since Vince is the owner he'd be perfect for it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 16:27:32 GMT -5
I agree wholeheartedly. I would even go so far as to suggest that, the further any McMahon is kept from the on-air product from now on, the better. Indeed, the heel authority figure has been so played out during the last fifteen years through pro wrestling (not just WWE) that the idea should probably sit on the shelf in the archives next to the Benoit tapes and the Snuka tribute. I'm serious; it's absolutely finished as a tool in the wrestling booker's toolbox. Jack Tunney was a face and was rarely seen, usually only showing up in taped statements to resolve controversies. Since Vince is the owner he'd be perfect for it. Only complaint was that Tunney was often depicted as an incompetent babyface. For example, when he chose the WrestleMania VIII opponent for Ric Flair, instead of trying to do something fresh, he automatically gave it to the same guy who main evented the last seven WrestleManias. And let's not forget his decision at WrestleMania X regarding the Royal Rumble situation.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 27, 2015 16:30:28 GMT -5
Not only is Stephanie bulletproof from physical comeuppance, she won't even allow anyone to outdo her verbally.
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Post by nisidhe on Dec 27, 2015 19:00:19 GMT -5
I agree wholeheartedly. I would even go so far as to suggest that, the further any McMahon is kept from the on-air product from now on, the better. Indeed, the heel authority figure has been so played out during the last fifteen years through pro wrestling (not just WWE) that the idea should probably sit on the shelf in the archives next to the Benoit tapes and the Snuka tribute. I'm serious; it's absolutely finished as a tool in the wrestling booker's toolbox. Jack Tunney was a face and was rarely seen, usually only showing up in taped statements to resolve controversies. Since Vince is the owner he'd be perfect for it. Vince is perceived as being as bad as either of the other two, to be honest. People see Mr. McMahon when they see Vince on TV; he's been painted into a creative corner and cannot be used as an authority figure without the expectation that he will become the Authority figure. Simply put, if WWE is going with any kind of authority figure at all, they need to be a)utterly neutral, if not an outright face a la Mick Foley; b) appear authoritative in that shit gets enforced and decisions are final under his/her watch; and c) helps bring some gravitas and quasi-sport treatment back into WWE's product. I think there needs to be some focus on the "rules" so that the heels have a means to differentiate themselves from the faces apart from how they deliver promos and who's backing them up. It's become pointless to have referees in the ring.
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Post by oneday on Dec 27, 2015 19:05:18 GMT -5
The fans are to blame, though, because they boo Steph in the arenas. One thing fans never get is that if you don't like someone legitimately, rather than finding them an entertaining heel, you don't boo. You sit in silence. Boos and cheers equal overness. If you don't react, they're not over. I don't think she has as much "go away" heat as much as people like to think
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 27, 2015 19:06:56 GMT -5
The fans are to blame, though, because they boo Steph in the arenas. One thing fans never get is that if you don't like someone legitimately, rather than finding them an entertaining heel, you don't boo. You sit in silence. Boos and cheers equal overness. If you don't react, they're not over. I don't think she has as much "go away" heat as much as people like to think My point was about wrestling fans on a wider scale rather than Steph.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Dec 27, 2015 19:10:33 GMT -5
Hopefully they will SOMEHOW capitalize off it by "feeding her" (looking weak/losing matches) to someone like Sasha or Becky
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 20:29:59 GMT -5
Honestly the Divas ARE beneath Stephanie and if one of them got pushed to the level that the they could kick Steph's ass, they'd be presented as being above the entire women's division as a whole and segregated from it. Eve Torres and especially AJ Lee were pushed as being above the Divas to the point where winning the title was a step down for them. And notice how the Bella angle stopped being THE main focus of the show after the Nikki turn happened and Steph removed herself from their orbit. With the Bellas angle, you could practically see the moment where she realised that the only way the angle could possibly pay off without being dumped on by the fanbase would be if she laid down for the three count and we got an ABORT! ABORT! because there can be no payoff that involves her looking bad that would in some way benefit the active roster. Nikki turned heel on her sister so Stephanie could get the win, which moved Brie away from Steph and into a feud with Nikki........a feud which was dropped without explanation about a month or so later. Therefore, Steph had an out to win a match she had no business winning from a storyline standpoint while not having to return the favor because the angle was subsequently dropped. Stephanie showing HHH how it's done.
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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on Dec 27, 2015 20:56:05 GMT -5
Hopefully they will SOMEHOW capitalize off it by "feeding her" (looking weak/losing matches) to someone like Sasha or Becky What precedence is there to even think that this is a possibility?
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