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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 20:29:17 GMT -5
Comparing the 3 guys, who had the most potential that got lost when Heyman just dumped them.
The Case For Each.
Cesaro: Just won the Andre Battle Royal. So much potential and heat coming from that. In front of a how crowd he dumps Zeb for Heyman. And nothing of note happens.
Curtis Axel: Became Intercontinetal Champion under Heyman. Could've been more taken seriously.
Ryback: Build him into a heel monster. Instead he's dumped and becomes a bully.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 23, 2015 20:39:25 GMT -5
The answer is Cesaro. Cesaro had the chance to get hugely over under Heyman and they squandered it.
While Axel shouldn't be treated like a total loser: I think he suffers from WWE's refusal to push the lower card as a whole. While he got a lot of TV time under Heyman, WWE were so adamant on pushing him as a hopeless loser who flukes his way to victory (Even his IC Title win looked like such a fluke that I honestly believe that he was going to win it even if Fandango weren't injured). While Axel should be booked a little better, I don't see him as someone who could've been upper midcard/main event. Even against someone like Miz or Barrett who get booked like dirt, Axel still looked out of place.
Ryback was just there as a means to prolong the Punk/Heyman feud. Anyone could've been put in his spot.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 23, 2015 20:45:20 GMT -5
Axel for me. Cesaro and Ryback (to an extent) both managed to get back to the same level they did before their failed runs with Heyman, although Ryback has kind of tumbled down again since... For Axel, he's really struggled since other than a brief peak with the AxelMania stuff before it became a straight-out Hogan parody.
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Post by lionheart21 on Dec 23, 2015 20:48:45 GMT -5
Two of these guys are still getting TV time, so Axel.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 20:50:12 GMT -5
Cesaro, because there was a much longer fall. Ryback was already a joke when he hooked up with Heyman, Axel didn't even have that name and was never on TV. Cesaro was a hot, hot property that was reduced to nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 20:59:36 GMT -5
Axel for me. Cesaro and Ryback (to an extent) both managed to get back to the same level they did before their failed runs with Heyman, although Ryback has kind of tumbled down again since... For Axel, he's really struggled since other than a brief peak with the AxelMania stuff before it became a straight-out Hogan parody. And on top of that, the WWE constantly told you that you should question why Axel should even be in the WWE when he was doing the Axelmania gimmick, to which where Hulk Hogan just buried him (I haven't forgiven John Pollock for loving the segment and completely ignoring the fact that the Curtis Axel was presented as a goober) |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 23, 2015 22:10:38 GMT -5
wait... your poll title and thread title are asking two different questions.
The biggest dropped ball I'd say is Cesaro.
but the guy who suffered the most without Heyman is most assuredly Curtis Axel
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Post by Starshine on Dec 23, 2015 22:14:31 GMT -5
Easily Cesaro. He was coming off what should have been a big win by slaming Big Show over the top rope at Mania. Fans wanted to cheer him and for whatever reason Vince was convinced he needed a heel manager. It was a complete waste of the guy.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 23, 2015 22:19:40 GMT -5
Desmond Hume
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Post by mizerable on Dec 23, 2015 22:22:14 GMT -5
I never have thought much of Axel. He's always come off as a midcard guy at best, and hasn't ever done much to impress me.
So I'd probably go with Cesaro since they did jack shit with him after the move.
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Post by Manute Bol on Dec 23, 2015 23:19:19 GMT -5
That Paul Heyman proposing things was Heyman's biggest miss ever.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Dec 23, 2015 23:59:40 GMT -5
I'm surprised Axel is winning this. He was nothing special to me. A void of charisma and solid but unremarkable and forgettable in the ring. If he wasn't Perfect's son no chance would he have got a WWE contract.
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 24, 2015 0:04:45 GMT -5
Curtis Axel, while mishandled, was at least a step up from not being used in forever and his last appearance being 'the genesis of McGillicutty'.
Cesaro was sacrificed from being white-hot to being set back practically where he was at his debut just to prop up Brock Lesnar's absences. In fact, no, worse off than his debut, because at least Aksana promoted Cesaro, which Heyman utterly failed to do.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 24, 2015 0:20:58 GMT -5
Cesaro should have never allied himself with Heyman to begin with. He was coming off this huge win at the Battle Royal as well as a great feud with a heel Jack Swagger, and fans wanted to cheer for him. What reasoning could you have to keep him heel?
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 24, 2015 0:33:50 GMT -5
Each example is a case of incredibly poor booking, but I went with Curtis Axel just because they specifically repackaged him for the teaming with Heyman. Cesaro and Ryback were already established, but they actively tried to make Axel into something before dropping the ball.
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 24, 2015 0:51:44 GMT -5
Axel was ruined the moment they didn't let him win the IC title with the Perfect Plex in Henning-ville. Having him win on that fluke ass figure four pin thing was so dumb. I go with him on that, since they haven't done shit with him since.
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