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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Dec 29, 2015 12:16:44 GMT -5
It's alright if you have never heard of Beth Stelling before. I never heard of her until I saw the "Comedy Central Half-Hour" special she filmed earlier this year. But she posted a photo of some leg bruises she alleges were inflicted by her ex-boyfriend on Instagram with text about staying with him (until this past summer, when they broke up). She also accused him of rape. While she doesn't mention him by name, people who know her and her ex know she was referring to comedian Cale Hartmann (who in the aftermath has cancelled his Twitter and Instagram accounts). Since most of my social circle of stand up comics, this story has been all over my Facebook newsfeed.
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Post by lionheart21 on Dec 29, 2015 12:42:39 GMT -5
If its true, this guy deserves whatever backlash he's got coming to him.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 29, 2015 13:33:31 GMT -5
If it's not true, yikes
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 29, 2015 13:40:44 GMT -5
Haven't heard of either of these two, so I'm going to wait and see on this like people should.
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Dec 29, 2015 19:05:03 GMT -5
That's nothing.
Gail Whitmore posted bruises she said were from Fred Kinston. Turns out Mark Fillament was the one really responsible.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 29, 2015 19:07:44 GMT -5
In these kinds of situations, the abuser should be named, otherwise other women may be at risk, or the wrong person may be identified.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 29, 2015 19:12:33 GMT -5
Do we have to jump THAT quick to "WHAT IF SHE'S LYING?!"
C'mon now.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 29, 2015 19:27:12 GMT -5
Yes, because other than bruise pictures there's not much evidence.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 29, 2015 19:31:25 GMT -5
So bruise pictures and a harrowing first-hand account aren't enough in light of all the sweet, sweet riches that comes from false rape allegations?
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 29, 2015 19:47:08 GMT -5
No. A number of competent defense attorneys can explain those away. There needs to be an investigation, and what that uncovers should be able to paint a clearer picture of if the guy is guilty or innocent.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Dec 29, 2015 19:55:37 GMT -5
I'd say immediately deleting all social media accounts isn't the best look in this situation.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 29, 2015 19:57:46 GMT -5
Do we have to jump THAT quick to "WHAT IF SHE'S LYING?!" C'mon now. I've got no inkling of the veracity or not, and if she is a victim the absolutely she deserves to be heard and this dude deserves to go down. But there is a danger in these situations of going full on witch-hunt too. That's certainly happened before as well in cases like the Duke lacrosse thing. That's all my post was meant for personally.
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Post by BRV on Dec 29, 2015 20:08:09 GMT -5
The first two posts on this thread show why we as a society need to tread lightly with regards to accusations such as these. I cannot emphasize enough that I'm not blaming either of you, but people can't swing too far in one direction and scream "GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!" and destroy a person's life before all the facts come out, just as they can't caterwaul about how she's making it all up and destroy her life, either.
Accusations like these are an extremely delicate situation and should be treated as such, but with the advent of social media, we as a people again are guilty of rushing to judgment, one way or another, before we read the end of a paragraph.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 29, 2015 20:09:51 GMT -5
To be frank, my post was sorta a counterbalance to the first; which is not to say I'm jumping on lionheart there either.
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Post by lionheart21 on Dec 29, 2015 20:11:40 GMT -5
The first two posts on this thread show why we as a society need to tread lightly with regards to accusations such as these. I cannot emphasize enough that I'm not blaming either of you, but people can't swing too far in one direction and scream "GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!" and destroy a person's life before all the facts come out, just as they can't caterwaul about how she's making it all up and destroy her life, either. Accusations like these are an extremely delicate situation and should be treated as such, but with the advent of social media, we as a people again are guilty of rushing to judgment, one way or another, before we read the end of a paragraph. I know, which is why I said that's only if its determined to be true. I'm not making any decisions prior to that.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 29, 2015 23:02:21 GMT -5
Do we have to jump THAT quick to "WHAT IF SHE'S LYING?!" C'mon now. I've got no inkling of the veracity or not, and if she is a victim the absolutely she deserves to be heard and this dude deserves to go down. But there is a danger in these situations of going full on witch-hunt too. That's certainly happened before as well in cases like the Duke lacrosse thing. That's all my post was meant for personally. Not to mention the UAV and Matress Girl scandals this year. If the guy is guilty I hope he gets the book thrown at him. Likewise, if she somehow is exposed as lying she deserves to get sued for slander and libel. Right now, there's not enough evidence to say either way. Either one of them can be lying. It's one big "he said, she said".
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Post by chazraps on Dec 30, 2015 0:18:05 GMT -5
I've got no inkling of the veracity or not, and if she is a victim the absolutely she deserves to be heard and this dude deserves to go down. But there is a danger in these situations of going full on witch-hunt too. That's certainly happened before as well in cases like the Duke lacrosse thing. That's all my post was meant for personally. Not to mention the UAV and Matress Girl scandals this year. If the guy is guilty I hope he gets the book thrown at him. Likewise, if she somehow is exposed as lying she deserves to get sued for slander and libel. Right now, there's not enough evidence to say either way. Either one of them can be lying. It's one big "he said, she said". Was the mattress girl proven wrong?
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 30, 2015 0:49:29 GMT -5
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 30, 2015 1:03:26 GMT -5
Not really a neutral source there.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 30, 2015 1:20:28 GMT -5
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