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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jan 2, 2016 20:49:52 GMT -5
Divas section aside, it's pretty much spot on
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 21:01:41 GMT -5
I agree with the article except for his comments that the free show needs to be made a bigger deal in spite of the PPVs.
The philosophy has always been to build to the PPV events because that's where promotions make their money. If you hot potato titles on TV just to pop ratings, that doesn't always work out in your favor. In fact, that's been WCW & TNA's philosophy to use PPVs to build to the free programming. From a financial standpoint, you HAVE to do that where you must emphasize the PPV events being where title changes happen. That said, you can still make TV programming good, not with lots of title changes (1999 may have been a big year, but in the ring, it was a mess), but with sound storytelling and letting people become the characters they are expected to become.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jan 2, 2016 21:50:50 GMT -5
Though he did lose me when he claims ADR makes a great heel. ADR is so weird. Guy leaves WWE and that whole situation with how he left turns him babyface with the IWC (and rightly so). He tears it up down in Mexico, ROH, and Lucha Underground. Signs up for another stint in the WWE and he's back to that same crappiness before he left. I don't fault the guy for going back given the money involved, but it's like WWE takes the life force out of him. It's like TNA was doing to Samoa Joe or AJ. Yet I don't fault ADR as much as some of the others. I think ADR's character is more due to the WWE's poor creative. There's something to be said about heels/faces melting away outside of television and on social media. That isn't completely the WWE's fault. The fans are smart and can recognize these people outside of their character like an actor. As for the article, I agree. Maybe dying is too harsh, but the author makes some every cogent points. It really doesn't make sense to me that the WWE has more television than they've had in their history. Yet they can't give the divas good story lines outside of "b***** be crazy"? They have three hours of Raw, two hours of Smackdown, and a whole damn network. They have like what... 23 writers? It's just so lazy they thought they could extend the tv matches, slap #DivasRevolution on it, and it'd mean something.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jan 2, 2016 22:46:06 GMT -5
I know it shouldn't, but it still makes my blood boil at how many comments are under this story that are bashing wrestling - especially on a website that examines the minutia of movies, pop culture and fantasy.
Every single thing is stupid if you analyze it a certain way.
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Jan 2, 2016 22:47:29 GMT -5
I stopped reading after the first sentence where the hack of a "writer" acts like people didn't care about wrestling until the Attitude Era.
Here are the real five reasons wrestling has lost its appeal to the masses.
1. Too many long shows each week. Remember when their shows were only an hour or two long? Now, they expect you to sit through three hours of Raw, two hours of Smackdown, three hours of PPV/WWE Network Events once a month, plus their WWE Network shows. Back in the day you had Wrestling Challenge and Superstars as your main shows and they were an hour long each. You had other minor shows as well, but they were an hour long as well. You didn't need to sit through three hours in one setting, thus made things easier to digest.
2. Repetitiveness. You have almost the same matches, featuring the same talent on every show, every week. So, you hardly miss anything, because chances are, you saw the exact same matches a week, two weeks, etc ago. This is one big thing that his precious Attitude Era help create. During that time is when we started seeing weekly big marquee matches in order to draw in viewers. They continued doing this ever since and it's killed interest in most every match not featuring part timers like Brock and Taker. If the WWE did this kind of booking in early 1987, we would've see Hulk Hogan vs. Andre The Giant in some form every week leading up to Wrestlemania III. What would've happened? That moment where they stood face-to-face in the middle of the ring of Wrestlemania III would not be close to memorable, because fans would've already seen it every week prior to the event.
3. People who have no knowledge of the wrestling business, writing wrestling shows. This should be self explanatory. I don't blame those people, I blame the people who look to those people to write the shows. If I was in charge of Marvel Comics, I'm not going to hire someone with no knowledge of the X-Men to write the stories for the comics. I'd want to hire people who know the characters and past storylines that can put their own spin on it.
4. Trying to be more entertainment and less wrestling. Look, I have no problem with the phrase "Sports Entertainment". However, I do have a problem with people trying to say that this isn't wrestling and that it's "Sports Entertainment". IT'S WRESTLING, ASSHOLES! If you put on a show, featuring men and women in tights, doing moves inside of a ring where the results are predetermined, then it's WRESTLING. It's like a gay person trying to deny being gay despite everyone and their brother known, and accepting, they're gay, because the gay person thinks being gay is wrong and is ashamed of being gay. All it does is make you look like a self-loathing c***. You're not going to get more mainstream attention nor are you going to get more advertisers by not calling it wrestling, because anyone with half a brain knows it's wrestling.
5. Not taking chances. Business isn't exactly pipping hot, so this is the best time to take chances to shake things up. Cena could've turned heel a whole lot of time the last 5 years or so. He hasn't. Why? Because, they are afraid of losing merchandise sales. They forget that a lot of heels had strong merchandise sales. I doubt Cena would be any different. If you don't take chances on over talents like Owens, Cesaro, Ambrose , etc as legit main event talent, then how can you grow as a company? Yeah, they may not become mainstream success, but if Del Rio and Sheamus had numerous runs with the titles and be presented as a main event talent, then there is no reason why they can't be.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Jan 2, 2016 22:48:32 GMT -5
It's better than any WhatCulture WWE Article.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 1:57:39 GMT -5
I'm so bored of "wrestling fans" who write off the whole genre because one companies show got bad. 2015 was amazing for various Indies, lucha underground and Japan but people just stick with WWE and then are surprised when it can't meet their needs.
If DC sucks, read Marvel. Don't say "comics are bad"
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Jan 3, 2016 3:03:53 GMT -5
I was thinking. Is there any way any of us could implement the WWE philosophy of handling business with the product they churn out and have a success social, relationship, and professional lives without the core foundation that provided that platform? As the saying goes, "You can't leave the one that brought you to the dance.".
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jan 3, 2016 5:28:13 GMT -5
I'm so bored of "wrestling fans" who write off the whole genre because one companies show got bad. 2015 was amazing for various Indies, lucha underground and Japan but people just stick with WWE and then are surprised when it can't meet their needs. If DC sucks, read Marvel. Don't say "comics are bad" In a way, the comics analogy, especially printed comics available at a LCBS, sums up the wrestling business as a whole. Today's numbers that count as a big success would be numbers that would be pitiful a generation ago. The audience has shrunk, or, comics and wrestling don't have the kind of reach that they used to. Sure, the indies will always get a lot of play with the diehard fans who never left, and in terms of sheer numbers, like titles, creators, feds, wrestlers, the indies dwarf the big companies, but they won't ever have the same success as the big brands have. Even then, when you say comics, you think Superman or Spider-Man, just like when you say wrestling, you think Hulk Hogan or Steve Austin. The wrestling equivalent of Sex Criminals or East of West may be awesome, but they'll never be synonymous with wrestling itself, just like Sex Criminals or East of West won't ever be synonymous with comics. Do they need to be synonymous? Of course not. Nevertheless, the indies of comics and wrestling thrive precisely because the overall industries of comics and wrestling aren't surviving, at least relative to how successful these industries used to be. And if WWE, Marvel, and DC were to go out of business tomorrow, there wouldn't be a company large enough or capable enough to step up and fill the void. They'd just be catering to the same segment of the audience as before, but that audience sample would now be the whole.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 3, 2016 6:58:28 GMT -5
I agree with the article except for his comments that the free show needs to be made a bigger deal in spite of the PPVs. The philosophy has always been to build to the PPV events because that's where promotions make their money. If you hot potato titles on TV just to pop ratings, that doesn't always work out in your favor. In fact, that's been WCW & TNA's philosophy to use PPVs to build to the free programming. From a financial standpoint, you HAVE to do that where you must emphasize the PPV events being where title changes happen. That said, you can still make TV programming good, not with lots of title changes (1999 may have been a big year, but in the ring, it was a mess), but with sound storytelling and letting people become the characters they are expected to become. I'd say it's 50-50 now. I mean, RAW should be used basically to advertise the Network, that's where there focus is. If an advert is boring, who's going to want to pay for the product. It's easier said than done, but you want enough highlights to make people interested, but good cliffhangers, buildup, so that people will want to pay to see the ending. But then RAW and it's commercials etc. are also moneymakers, it's where you draw the line on what's most important, long term it's the network, but when has Vince been great at long term thinking? The network itself needs an overhaul IMO, the comic book analogy people are making is an apt one. Comics went out of the news stands and into specialised stores, where only comic book fans would go. Short term, it consolidated their audience, but long term it brought up a problem, to get into comics you need to go to a place you're unlikely to go to unless you're already a fan. It ended up feeding into it's own ever reducing audience till it got to the state it's in now. It's similar with the Network, the only people who are going to get the network are wrestling fans, and pretty much everyone who's going to get it has, so it's reached roughly it's maximum audience and is feeding on itself. They need to get content that will appeal to non wrestling fans for it to grow now, and they don't have it. Maybe link up with some sports organisations, bring those in, because they've maxed out their audience unless there's another boom.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 3, 2016 10:20:47 GMT -5
I don't agree with all of the article, but... ...is pretty spot on. Bullshit. Reason #3 is the very same reason why I don't like talking wrestling with people anymore. So god damn sick of that attitude people have.
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Post by Vern on Jan 3, 2016 16:33:29 GMT -5
I don't agree with all of the article, but... ...is pretty spot on. Bullshit. Reason #3 is the very same reason why I don't like talking wrestling with people anymore. So god damn sick of that attitude people have. What exactly are you calling bullshit on? I can't speak for everyone, but the fact that they're smiling, thumbs-up, pandering jackasses are a big part of why I'm not fans of them. Those "qualities" shouldn't be the necessities that they are in the face locker room.
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Post by Jiren on Jan 3, 2016 16:47:25 GMT -5
Bullshit. Reason #3 is the very same reason why I don't like talking wrestling with people anymore. So god damn sick of that attitude people have. What exactly are you calling bullshit on? I can't speak for everyone, but the fact that they're smiling, thumbs-up, pandering jackasses are a big part of why I'm not fans of them. Those "qualities" shouldn't be the necessities that they are in the face locker room. And it's also one of the reasons Diesel's title run was such a bomb. a lot of People liked the Ass kicking sarcastic Diesel from 1994 and when he became face he pretty much became smiling, thumbs-up, pandering jackass. Then he went heel again at Survivor Series and went back to being sarcastic ass kicker and was popular again. a lot of People don't like it when peoples popular traits get wiped when they change Face/Heel - Austin remained the same when he turned face except he went after heels - Bret remained the same except he ramped it up to obnoxious levels - Rock remained the same Nowadays it's Face - smiling, thumbs-up, pandering jackasses Heel - Chickenshit (Regardless how they were before) If people like their faces to be "smiling, thumbs-up, pandering jackasses" then more power to them, different strokes and all
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Post by hbkid718 on Jan 3, 2016 18:39:08 GMT -5
I commented on that article defending that wrestling is not fake and got into a whole fight with someone.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 3, 2016 18:48:51 GMT -5
Bullshit. Reason #3 is the very same reason why I don't like talking wrestling with people anymore. So god damn sick of that attitude people have. What exactly are you calling bullshit on? I can't speak for everyone, but the fact that they're smiling, thumbs-up, pandering jackasses are a big part of why I'm not fans of them. Those "qualities" shouldn't be the necessities that they are in the face locker room. I'm calling bullshit on the fact so many fans think that way. It's disheartening.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jan 3, 2016 21:08:29 GMT -5
I find a lot of the hot takes about the divas by those in the wrestling media and fans infuriating. Condenscending, dated, and at best ignorant.
This article included. Took me right out of it.
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