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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 4, 2016 19:29:33 GMT -5
Should they only induct Lemmy and not the band Motorhead? I think they should induct the band. Not saying it should be this year. I'm not even really calling for them to induct them at all, but if they did, I think they should induct the band.
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Post by The Heenan Family on Jan 4, 2016 20:08:31 GMT -5
WWE is so resistant when it comes to having multiple posthumous inductions that I'm not sure I want Lemmy taking up a spot that could go to far more deserving dead guys.
My predictions
Sting inducted by Ric Flair John Bradshaw Layfield inducted by Ron Simmons Floyd Mayweather inducted by The Big Show Sable inducted by Torrie Wilson The Fabulous Freebirds inducted by Kevin Von Erich Stan Hansen inducted by Bruno Sammartino Vader inducted by Mick Foley Lord Alfred Hayes inducted by Mean Gene Okerlund Drax Shadow inducted by Stardust
Possibilities this year or down the road
The Undertaker, Slick, Ivan Koloff, The Hart Foundation, Christian, Danny Hodge, Diamond Dallas Page, Bruiser Brody, Demolition, Owen Hart, Bull Nakano, Kamala, Ray Stevens, Miss Elizabeth, The British Bulldogs, The One Man Gang, Gary Hart, Dick Murdoch, Jacqueline, Mike Rotundo, Lex Luger, Vickie Guerrero, The Rockers, Hillbilly Jim, King Kong Bundy, Dominic DeNucci, Eric Bischoff, Haku, Rick Rude, Chief Wahoo McDaniel, Honky Tonk Man, Johnny Valentine, Don Leo Jonathan, The Rock n' Roll Express, Big Boss Man, Genichiro Tenryu, Butch Reed, Haystacks Calhoun, Dean Malenko, William Regal, Ken Patera, Lou Thesz, Brian Pillman, Sycho Sid, Rick Martel, D-Generation X, Dr Jerry Graham, Ron Garvin, The Destroyer, Brutus Beefcake, Tiger Mask I, Dr Death Steve Williams, Bam Bam Bigelow, The Bruiser & The Crusher, Gory Guerrero, Baron Von Raschke, Leilani Kai, Teddy Long, The Nasty Boys, Dave Finlay, Gene Kiniski, Karl Gotch, Tiger Jeet Singh, Edouard Carpentier, Pat O'Connor, Earthquake, The Steiner Brothers, Shohei Baba, Stan Stasiak, Magnum T.A., Tony Garea, Adrian Adonis, Sabu, Kevin Sullivan, Tazz, The Godfather, Raven, Nikita Koloff, Shane Douglas, Spiros Arion, Victoria, Professor Toru Tanaka, The Midnight Express & James E Cornette, Miguel Perez, Steve Lombardi, Bobby Davis, Jushin Liger, The Great Muta, Tommy Dreamer, Jim Johnston, Mark Henry, Frank & Jack Tunney, and Toots Mondt.
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Post by fw91 on Jan 4, 2016 20:11:20 GMT -5
WWE is so resistant when it comes to having multiple posthumous inductions that I'm not sure I want Lemmy taking up a spot that could go to far more deserving dead guys. My predictions Sting inducted by Ric Flair John Bradshaw Layfield inducted by Ron Simmons Floyd Mayweather inducted by The Big Show Sable inducted by Torrie Wilson The Fabulous Freebirds inducted by Kevin Von Erich Stan Hansen inducted by Bruno Sammartino Vader inducted by Mick Foley Lord Alfred Hayes inducted by Mean Gene Okerlund Drax Shadow inducted by Stardust Possibilities this year or down the road The Undertaker, Slick, Ivan Koloff, The Hart Foundation, Christian, Danny Hodge, Diamond Dallas Page, Bruiser Brody, Demolition, Owen Hart, Bull Nakano, Kamala, Ray Stevens, Miss Elizabeth, The British Bulldogs, The One Man Gang, Gary Hart, Dick Murdoch, Jacqueline, Mike Rotundo, Lex Luger, Vickie Guerrero, The Rockers, Hillbilly Jim, King Kong Bundy, Dominic DeNucci, Eric Bischoff, Haku, Rick Rude, Chief Wahoo McDaniel, Honky Tonk Man, Johnny Valentine, Don Leo Jonathan, The Rock n' Roll Express, Big Boss Man, Genichiro Tenryu, Butch Reed, Haystacks Calhoun, Dean Malenko, William Regal, Ken Patera, Lou Thesz, Brian Pillman, Sycho Sid, Rick Martel, D-Generation X, Dr Jerry Graham, Ron Garvin, The Destroyer, Brutus Beefcake, Tiger Mask I, Dr Death Steve Williams, Bam Bam Bigelow, The Bruiser & The Crusher, Gory Guerrero, Baron Von Raschke, Leilani Kai, Teddy Long, The Nasty Boys, Dave Finlay, Gene Kiniski, Karl Gotch, Tiger Jeet Singh, Edouard Carpentier, Pat O'Connor, Earthquake, The Steiner Brothers, Shohei Baba, Stan Stasiak, Magnum T.A., Tony Garea, Adrian Adonis, Sabu, Kevin Sullivan, Tazz, The Godfather, Raven, Nikita Koloff, Shane Douglas, Spiros Arion, Victoria, Professor Toru Tanaka, The Midnight Express & James E Cornette, Miguel Perez, Steve Lombardi, Bobby Davis, Jushin Liger, The Great Muta, Tommy Dreamer, Jim Johnston, Mark Henry, Frank & Jack Tunney, and Toots Mondt. how the hell has Lou Thesz not been inducted yet?
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jan 4, 2016 20:42:19 GMT -5
If the Freebirds go in, it's a massive double standard as far as Hogan. Michael Hayes has been using the word that Hogan got kicked out for using for years, and has actually caused tension with black wrestlers for it (it might have been one of the reasons Lashley quit). If WWE doesn't want to feature Hogan on current or future projects, fine. But if you're going to induct one person who has openly used racist language, someone who said it once 9 years ago deserves to be reinstated.
So no Freebirds this year unless Hogan is back in (not defending him, but I am pointing out hypocrisy), so my list this year is:
-The Rock -Vader -Brian Pillman -The British Bulldogs -Leilani Kai -Motörhead -Giant Baba
May come up with a few more later.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 4, 2016 20:51:42 GMT -5
If the Freebirds go in, it's a massive double standard as far as Hogan. Michael Hayes has been using the word that Hogan got kicked out for using for years, and has actually caused tension with black wrestlers for it (it might have been one of the reasons Lashley quit). If WWE doesn't want to feature Hogan on current or future projects, fine. But if you're going to induct one person who has openly used racist language, someone who said it once 9 years ago deserves to be reinstated. So no Freebirds this year unless Hogan is back in (not defending him, but I am pointing out hypocrisy), so my list this year is: -The Rock -Vader -Brian Pillman -The British Bulldogs -Leilani Kai -Motörhead -Giant Baba May come up with a few more later. If you're going that route, Hayes was also already punished (suspended and put through counseling) and welcomed back. To punish him again because Hogan is an idiot is worse, IMO.
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Post by moondoggie on Jan 4, 2016 23:06:40 GMT -5
Owen Hart
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Post by Phil Parent on Jan 4, 2016 23:31:40 GMT -5
Sting by Ric Flair Vader by Jim Cornette (How about that as an olive branch?) JBL by Ron Simmons Stan Hansen by JBL Bruiser Brody by Stan Hansen The Freebirds by Kevin Von Erich (include Jimmy Garvin) Jim Johnston by Jimmy Hart Bull Nakano by Madusa
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 5, 2016 0:25:37 GMT -5
Owen Hart died under their watch in a WWE ring performing an unsafe stunt. WWE is partially responsible for his death due to their negligence. WWE allowed the stunt to be attempted without using the proper safety harness (as was used when WCW's Sting did the same stunt repeatedly), and allowed the stunt to be done without a stunt coordinating present to ensure safety. Owen's widow Martha Hart named WWE in a wrongful death suit, and WWE settled with her. Years later, Martha would sue WWE again because they had not been paying her royalties. Out of all of the widows of former wrestlers who worked for WWE, Martha Hart is one WWE should go out of their way to respect. Why would Martha Hart want the company partially responsible for killing her husband and the father of her children to profit off of Owen Hart? The WWE Hall of Fame is not merely a chance to honor people. WWE makes money off of it. Why do you think they sell tickets and hold the event in arenas? If WWE honored him with the Hall of Fame without her blessing, that would be like John Landis creating an award for Vic Morrow when the Morrow estate were against him doing it. That's hypothetical by the way. Unless you're in the 'Martha Hart is unreasonable!' camp. No, there really is such a camp of wrestling fans. Martha Hart does not own Owen Hart or his memory.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 5, 2016 0:29:19 GMT -5
Martha Hart does not own Owen Hart or his memory. See what I mean?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 5, 2016 1:12:10 GMT -5
Martha Hart does not own Owen Hart or his memory. See what I mean? Not really. I mean, I get what side you feel passionate about, but I don't get why.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 5, 2016 1:24:00 GMT -5
Not really. I mean, I get what side you feel passionate about, but I don't get why. Where to start? Well, who owns Owen Hart? Well, Martha Hart controls the estate of Owen Hart as his widow and next of kin. Who owns his memories? What a weird question. Obviously WWE owns a lot of footage of Owen Hart (Stampede, WWE, and NWA/WCW), thus they have the right to use this footage in DVDs, on the Network, etc. I think it would be in very poor taste for WWE to induct Owen Hart considering Martha Hart's feelings. Why open yourself up to bad publicity? This isn't someone who died of natural causes or in a motor vehicle accident. He died following a failed stunt on their show that they were paritually negligible in. Induct someone into your Hall of Fame who died on your watch when the widow doesn't want you to? Shouldn't it be up to Martha? Even if WWE legally can declare that they are inducting Owen Hart into their Hall of Fame without her blessing, isn't it shitty to do so? Shouldn't Martha Hart's wishes matter more than ours?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 5, 2016 1:31:02 GMT -5
Not really. I mean, I get what side you feel passionate about, but I don't get why. Where to start? Well, who owns Owen Hart? Well, Martha Hart controls the estate of Owen Hart as his widow and next of kin. Who owns his memories? What a weird question. Obviously WWE owns a lot of footage of Owen Hart (Stampede, WWE, and NWA/WCW), thus they have the right to use this footage in DVDs, on the Network, etc. I think it would be in very poor taste for WWE to induct Owen Hart considering Martha Hart's feelings. Why open yourself up to bad publicity? This isn't someone who died of natural causes or in a motor vehicle accident. He died following a failed stunt on their show that they were paritually negligible in. Induct someone into your Hall of Fame who died on your watch when the widow doesn't want you to? Shouldn't it be up to Martha? Even if WWE legally can declare that they are inducting Owen Hart into their Hall of Fame without her blessing, isn't it shitty to do so? Shouldn't Martha Hart's wishes matter more than ours? I dunno, the we've long ago acknowledge it was accident and we all loved Owen too camp ought to win. If they straight up murdered Owen, it'd be a better point. Plus Owen has at least 10 surviving brothers and sisters, plus nieces and nephews. The Hall of Fame is, this guy was f***ing amazing at his job and we want to acknowledge that, living or dead, is the point of the Hall of Fame. If she hates wrestling so much, maybe she should stop cashing those royalty cheques and give back his lifetime salary off WWF(E).....because it took him and she wants nothing to do with it.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 5, 2016 1:41:21 GMT -5
Where to start? Well, who owns Owen Hart? Well, Martha Hart controls the estate of Owen Hart as his widow and next of kin. Who owns his memories? What a weird question. Obviously WWE owns a lot of footage of Owen Hart (Stampede, WWE, and NWA/WCW), thus they have the right to use this footage in DVDs, on the Network, etc. I think it would be in very poor taste for WWE to induct Owen Hart considering Martha Hart's feelings. Why open yourself up to bad publicity? This isn't someone who died of natural causes or in a motor vehicle accident. He died following a failed stunt on their show that they were paritually negligible in. Induct someone into your Hall of Fame who died on your watch when the widow doesn't want you to? Shouldn't it be up to Martha? Even if WWE legally can declare that they are inducting Owen Hart into their Hall of Fame without her blessing, isn't it shitty to do so? Shouldn't Martha Hart's wishes matter more than ours? I dunno, the we've long ago acknowledge it was accident and we all loved Owen too camp ought to win. If they straight up murdered Owen, it'd be a better point. Plus Owen has at least 10 surviving brothers and sisters, plus nieces and nephews. The Hall of Fame is, this guy was f***ing amazing at his job and we want to acknowledge that, living or dead, is the point of the Hall of Fame. If she hates wrestling so much, maybe she should stop cashing those royalty cheques and give back his lifetime salary off WWF(E).....because it took him and she wants nothing to do with it. Some thoughts: -Obviously intentionally murdering Owen Hart is worse than merely being negligible in his death, which they were. Just because you can come up with a worse example, doesn't mean the actual circumstances aren't bad. -She's only getting royalty checks because she filed a lawsuit because she wasn't receiving them. -Martha Hart was his wife and mother of his children. HIS WIFE! Yes, he had many siblings. When it comes to normal legal processes, do siblings trump someone's spouse? No. When it comes to controlling estates, inheriting property, etc., the spouse is the next of kin.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 5, 2016 1:42:56 GMT -5
I dunno, the we've long ago acknowledge it was accident and we all loved Owen too camp ought to win. If they straight up murdered Owen, it'd be a better point. Plus Owen has at least 10 surviving brothers and sisters, plus nieces and nephews. The Hall of Fame is, this guy was f***ing amazing at his job and we want to acknowledge that, living or dead, is the point of the Hall of Fame. If she hates wrestling so much, maybe she should stop cashing those royalty cheques and give back his lifetime salary off WWF(E).....because it took him and she wants nothing to do with it. Some thoughts: -Obviously intentionally murdering Owen Hart is worse than merely being negligible in his death, which they were. Just because you can come up with a worse example, doesn't mean the actual circumstances aren't bad. -She's only getting royalty checks because she filed a lawsuit because she wasn't receiving them. -Martha Hart was his wife and mother of his children. HIS WIFE! Yes, he had many siblings. When it comes to normal legal processes, do siblings trump someone's spouse? No. When it comes to controlling estates, inheriting property, etc., the spouse is the next of kin. This isn't a legal thing, this is someone saying, "Great work. Here's a ring and a plaque". Plus a graphic on our website.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 5, 2016 1:48:25 GMT -5
Some thoughts: -Obviously intentionally murdering Owen Hart is worse than merely being negligible in his death, which they were. Just because you can come up with a worse example, doesn't mean the actual circumstances aren't bad. -She's only getting royalty checks because she filed a lawsuit because she wasn't receiving them. -Martha Hart was his wife and mother of his children. HIS WIFE! Yes, he had many siblings. When it comes to normal legal processes, do siblings trump someone's spouse? No. When it comes to controlling estates, inheriting property, etc., the spouse is the next of kin. This isn't a legal thing, this is someone saying, "Great work. Here's a ring and a plaque". Plus a graphic on our website. WWE may have every legal right to do it. But if HIS WIDOW didn't want them to, isn't it shitty if they did it any way? Especially considering the manner in which he died? I don't think I'm going to convince you. I used this hypothetical example earlier as an analogy. Imagine if John Landis wanted to memorialize Vic Morrow in some way. Not only that, Landis would profit from this memorial. Then consider that the estate of Vic Morrow were completely against Landis doing this, yet Landis did it anyway. How would that be any different than the idea of WWE inducting Owen Hart against Martha's wishes? Did Landis intend for Morrow to die? No, but he was still decapitated filming an unsafe stunt.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 5, 2016 1:50:44 GMT -5
This isn't a legal thing, this is someone saying, "Great work. Here's a ring and a plaque". Plus a graphic on our website. WWE may have every legal right to do it. But if HIS WIDOW didn't want them to, isn't it shitty if they did it any way? Especially considering the manner in which he died? I don't think I'm going to convince you. I used this hypothetical example earlier as an analogy. Imagine if John Landis wanted to memorialize Vic Morrow in some way. Not only that, Landis would profit from this memorial. Then consider that the estate of Vic Morrow were completely against Landis doing this, yet Landis did it anyway. How would that be any different than the idea of WWE inducting Owen Hart against Martha's wishes? Did Landis intend for Morrow to die? No, but he was still decapitated filming an unsafe stunt. Analogies work best when both people know what the analogy is. I have no idea who those people are.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 5, 2016 1:52:02 GMT -5
There's no reason to beat it around the bush so I'll just say it. Unfortunately, there is no truth to the rumors that the WWE have reached out to me about being inducted as the headliner this year. I can see them making Cyndi Lauper the celebrity inductee this year. She was a big part of the Rock & Wrestling era in the mid-80's and she used some WWE wrestlers in her music videos. Kinda surprised they haven't inducted her yet to be honest. Could get Wendy Richter to do it.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 5, 2016 1:53:02 GMT -5
WWE may have every legal right to do it. But if HIS WIDOW didn't want them to, isn't it shitty if they did it any way? Especially considering the manner in which he died? I don't think I'm going to convince you. I used this hypothetical example earlier as an analogy. Imagine if John Landis wanted to memorialize Vic Morrow in some way. Not only that, Landis would profit from this memorial. Then consider that the estate of Vic Morrow were completely against Landis doing this, yet Landis did it anyway. How would that be any different than the idea of WWE inducting Owen Hart against Martha's wishes? Did Landis intend for Morrow to die? No, but he was still decapitated filming an unsafe stunt. Analogies work best when both people know what the analogy is. I have no idea who those people are. Well, if you have to know who the people were in order to understand the analogy, I'm afraid trying to convince you is definitely a losing battle. Sometimes you can't get someone to agree with you, and I am afraid this is one of those times.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 5, 2016 1:54:09 GMT -5
Analogies work best when both people know what the analogy is. I have no idea who those people are. Well, if you have to know who the people were in order to understand the analogy, I'm afraid trying to convince you is definitely a losing battle. Sometimes you can't get someone to agree with you, and I am afraid this is one of those times. You are correct sir, we can't even agree how an analogy works, so we'll get no where. Happy trails!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 2:09:15 GMT -5
I'd look it up but here a list of WWE champion that isn't in the hall of fame yet.
70s Ivan Koloff Stan Stasiak
90s The Undertaker Sid Kane The Rock Triple H Vince McMahon Big Show
00s Kurt Angle Chris Jericho Brock Lesnar JBL John Cena RVD Randy Orton Jeff Hardy Batista Sheamus
10s The Miz C.M. Punk Rey Mysterio Del Rio Daniel Bryan Seth Rollins Roman Reigns
Ivan Koloff and Stan Stasiak should atleast go in the next couple years so they can have every 60s/70s/80s WWE Champion in the Hall.
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