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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Jan 31, 2016 12:04:38 GMT -5
WWE did try to sign those guys earlier. Both Joe and Styles were offered developmemtal contracts over a decade ago but turned it down because the money was not right for them. WWE tried again while they were in TNA and made bigger names for themselves. And got turned down again because of loyalty to TNA. It was not until they left TNA for good did they really listen to WWE's offers. Sometimes the wrestlers themselves do not feel they are ready for that move. Daniel Bryan was pursued by WWE for years while in the indies. It was not until he felt he did all he wanted did he finally said yes. Johnny Gargano turned down a developmental offer by WWE because he liked his spot in DGUSA/EVOLVE. Wrestlers should be smarter and protect their bodies so it won't be broken down by the time they reach the Bigs. The problem is nowadays is in order to stand out from the herd, you going to have to sacrifice your health to do that. Those 5 stars matches come at a cost. I definitely agree on a your points in terms of why guys like Joe and Styles are signing now, and why indie talent should be smarter about their bumps now. However, I think a big reason why Joe and Styles didn't sign with WWE then was because they saw the writing on the wall. Signing in say 2008, both guys were going to be in a developmental that still likey wanted Randy Orton and Batista clones. Though by that time, they might have had TNA pride and were building their name, they also knew that WWE was probably going to chew them up and spit them out, and mess with their characters. And now, indie guys are still not sure that WWE is going to take a chance on them. Unless they see Regal backstage at a show their on, they probably don't have any reason to believe they're going to get signed, and are instead determined to be the biggest indie star they can be (hence the punishment to their bodies). If WWE had their current mindset in pre-2009, I have no doubt that they would have signed Joe, Styles, Bryan (years earlier than they did), and the other highly touted indie talents, because both sides knew it would be beneficial. But they didn't have that mindset then, and are just catching up now. It is a shame that we didn't get guys like Joe, Styles, or even Balor with less mileage, but on the other hand, it doesn't seem to be affecting their performance that we can see.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 31, 2016 12:18:05 GMT -5
Some of the commentary here further shows why The Authority need to end. There are guys like Owens, Wyatt, or Rusev-who were perfectly ready to be the top heel on the card, even if briefly. But there was no room for them in a story where Trips and Nips are the perpetual top heels. On that same note Ambrose or Cesaro where every bit ready to be the top face-but there was no room for it when the top good guy HAS to be feuding with The Authority.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 31, 2016 12:36:37 GMT -5
WWE did try to sign those guys earlier. Both Joe and Styles were offered developmemtal contracts over a decade ago but turned it down because the money was not right for them. WWE tried again while they were in TNA and made bigger names for themselves. And got turned down again because of loyalty to TNA. It was not until they left TNA for good did they really listen to WWE's offers. Sometimes the wrestlers themselves do not feel they are ready for that move. Daniel Bryan was pursued by WWE for years while in the indies. It was not until he felt he did all he wanted did he finally said yes. Johnny Gargano turned down a developmental offer by WWE because he liked his spot in DGUSA/EVOLVE. Wrestlers should be smarter and protect their bodies so it won't be broken down by the time they reach the Bigs. The problem is nowadays is in order to stand out from the herd, you going to have to sacrifice your health to do that. Those 5 stars matches come at a cost. I definitely agree on a your points in terms of why guys like Joe and Styles are signing now, and why indie talent should be smarter about their bumps now. However, I think a big reason why Joe and Styles didn't sign with WWE then was because they saw the writing on the wall. Signing in say 2008, both guys were going to be in a developmental that still likey wanted Randy Orton and Batista clones. Though by that time, they might have had TNA pride and were building their name, they also knew that WWE was probably going to chew them up and spit them out, and mess with their characters. And now, indie guys are still not sure that WWE is going to take a chance on them. Unless they see Regal backstage at a show their on, they probably don't have any reason to believe they're going to get signed, and are instead determined to be the biggest indie star they can be (hence the punishment to their bodies). If WWE had their current mindset in pre-2009, I have no doubt that they would have signed Joe, Styles, Bryan (years earlier than they did), and the other highly touted indie talents, because both sides knew it would be beneficial. But they didn't have that mindset then, and are just catching up now. It is a shame that we didn't get guys like Joe, Styles, or even Balor with less mileage, but on the other hand, it doesn't seem to be affecting their performance that we can see. Oh, I agree. WWE is more open with their hiring practices, money, and booking for the most part. People see that going to WWE even for the short term is a big boost long term. Even after Del Rio, Mysterio, and Sin Cara left WWE under less than good terms, luchadors still wanted to join the company because it makes a difference from making 100 dollars to 1000 dollars per show in Mexico.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 13:51:26 GMT -5
So what I'm seeing is: WWE tried to sign them years ago, but got rejected. If WWE signed them years ago, they may not have been used well since they weren't as famous (completely hypothetical, BTW). WWE finally signed them and are using them well because they're famous, but they're all old. I'm struggling to find anyone at fault here. The only win-win scenario would have been if WWE signed these guys years ago and used them perfectly. And despite all the comments that they would've been buried, we'll never know for sure what would've happened. I'm not so much strung up on the main 3 being mentioned. They both had long, productive stays in TNA, and WWE waited until the contracts were up with TNA to seriously pursue them. It is what it is. WWE couldn't have (realistically) had them anytime they wanted them, and I don't think anyone would say those 3 specifically sat around and wasted away the whole time in TNA (key words: "whole time"). I took the question as more of a "did WWE wait too long to get ANYBODY ready to be a new star?", and in that case I think they did.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 31, 2016 16:07:42 GMT -5
It's a sad dilemma for those guys. WWE wasn't especially fond of them in the past when they were in their primes, whereas now they aren't at their physical peak and WWE is more amenable.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jan 31, 2016 20:07:51 GMT -5
Style and Joe are just 2 of a lot of guys born in the late 70's-early 80's who WWE dropped the ball on during their peak years and are gonna be paying for it come WM season going forward with everyone in midcard 50/50 limbo and conditioned to not be cared for by the fans. Literally btwn when Cena,Orton and Batista came up and when the Shield broke through in about a decade no one broke through beside Bryan and Punk and you literally needed fans to throw a fit for them to finally get pushed. It really is an entire generation of guys' who all should have been bigger then they were.
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Post by fw91 on Jan 31, 2016 20:41:13 GMT -5
Style and Joe are just 2 of a lot of guys born in the late 70's-early 80's who WWE dropped the ball on during their peak years and are gonna be paying for it come WM season going forward with everyone in midcard 50/50 limbo and conditioned to not be cared for by the fans. Literally btwn when Cena,Orton and Batista came up and when the Shield broke through in about a decade no one broke through beside Bryan and Punk and you literally needed fans to throw a fit for them to finally get pushed. It really is an entire generation of guys' who all should have been bigger then they were. and not to mention they are terrible at picking ones that they wanted to "break through" (Del Rio, Sheamus, Miz) Although I think the Miz gets too much flack for his M.E. run
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Post by cory16154 on Jan 31, 2016 21:39:20 GMT -5
I Jut dread thinking Five six years down the road because the really is noone currently on the roster positioned to adequately be the so called face of the company
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 1, 2016 12:28:17 GMT -5
Yes. By the time they signed guys like Daniel Bryan and then wasted time trying to bury him, all the years of hard hitting indie work caught up with him. The WWE didn't waste any time signing him. He didn't want to sign.
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