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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 4, 2016 20:05:26 GMT -5
..he refused to follow the script!" www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cZtuwjdPJUIt's still baffling that that was a booking decision deemed to be a good idea. Of course it's not a legitimate sport, but during the context of the show you're supposed to suspend disbelief. This has the double whammy of going: 'Everything else is fake, but THIS match will now be real!' Like, what?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 20:37:41 GMT -5
Seriously like a fake wrestling commercial you'd see on Tiny Toons or something.
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Post by tms on Feb 5, 2016 0:37:15 GMT -5
When WCW and Nitro were at their peak, it was an amazingly immersive experience. Angles and matches felt as real as possible given the backdrop, and the announcers all did an incredible job of conveying suspense throughout the shows and PPVs...Schiavone, in particular, has always been excellent at that.
Then you got crap like this, and it was only a matter of time before the fanbase just threw their hands up and said, screw this. I'm out of here.
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Post by Mama Rhodes Looking @ U Now on Feb 5, 2016 0:41:02 GMT -5
This will always amaze me. Not only does it make everyone else on the roster look awful by saying "Hey, these other guys are just geeks following a script!", but the actual match itself was just a plodding mess that had like a billion interferences from the same f***ing guy.
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Post by BobW on Feb 5, 2016 4:57:01 GMT -5
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 5, 2016 5:21:24 GMT -5
I can't get over how f***ing dumb this was. It's every issue I have with "MMA matches" in wrestling, only much worse.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Feb 5, 2016 8:00:59 GMT -5
Russo didn't so much break the fourth wall as he did just tear the entire f***ing house down.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 8:01:58 GMT -5
When WCW and Nitro were at their peak, it was an amazingly immersive experience. Angles and matches felt as real as possible given the backdrop, and the announcers all did an incredible job of conveying suspense throughout the shows and PPVs...Schiavone, in particular, has always been excellent at that. Then you got crap like this, and it was only a matter of time before the fanbase just threw their hands up and said, screw this. I'm out of here. When I first got the Network, this was the first show I watched. I didn't even MAKE IT THAT FAR. (That shows you how awful it was; I didn't even make it to one of the main reasons I put the thing on to begin with.)
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Post by ICBM on Feb 5, 2016 9:32:10 GMT -5
Hadn't thought about it in years. No matter how loyal I was to the company no matter how much I defended them, I never bothered to try with this angle. horrible, just awful and it went nowhere. The failed Godberg heel turn made me mad BC of Bischoff's "I have a surprise at the PPV that Vince McMahon can't do a thing to stop" bait and switch, this angle and the Bash at the beach shoot made summer 2000 for wcw painful as a fan
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 5, 2016 13:10:49 GMT -5
What's weird, is you could tell the story of Goldberg 'rebelling against Russo' without making everything on your show look goofy. Just have him do the walk out without it just taking a hammer to kayfabe. You then book him a No Holds Barred match with Steiner just the same as punishment, it plays out exactly the same way without the added stupid coating of "FAKEFAKEFAKEFAKEFAKE, but THIS is real." As it stands though, the commentary in that match, YUCK. "What are they going to do now, improvise?" Poor old Tony, having to say goofy shit. Not to mention Mark Madden just sucking in general. As bad as WWE's commentary has been, as bad as TNA's has been; it's never sunk to that level.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 5, 2016 13:13:14 GMT -5
When WCW and Nitro were at their peak, it was an amazingly immersive experience. Angles and matches felt as real as possible given the backdrop, and the announcers all did an incredible job of conveying suspense throughout the shows and PPVs...Schiavone, in particular, has always been excellent at that. Then you got crap like this, and it was only a matter of time before the fanbase just threw their hands up and said, screw this. I'm out of here. When I first got the Network, this was the first show I watched. I didn't even MAKE IT THAT FAR. (That shows you how awful it was; I didn't even make it to one of the main reasons I put the thing on to begin with.) It's sad that it's one of the better WCW PPVs in 2000.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 5, 2016 13:21:15 GMT -5
I have a very vivid memory of being on the schoolbus heading to the highschool one morning when this commercial played on the radio. The MASSIVE schoolwide fandom was already dying out and this particular story was the final nail in the coffin. The once great lunchtime discussions of WCW vs WWF vs ECW debates and everyone talking about rumors and what the multiple backyard feds we had were up to all just fizzled out. It became "you still watch that shit?" almost overnight.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 5, 2016 14:19:24 GMT -5
But Bro.
Bro.
bROOO
you're talking about it now.
So it was successful.
Bro.
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Post by Mama Rhodes Looking @ U Now on Feb 5, 2016 15:26:48 GMT -5
When WCW and Nitro were at their peak, it was an amazingly immersive experience. Angles and matches felt as real as possible given the backdrop, and the announcers all did an incredible job of conveying suspense throughout the shows and PPVs...Schiavone, in particular, has always been excellent at that. Then you got crap like this, and it was only a matter of time before the fanbase just threw their hands up and said, screw this. I'm out of here. When I first got the Network, this was the first show I watched. I didn't even MAKE IT THAT FAR. (That shows you how awful it was; I didn't even make it to one of the main reasons I put the thing on to begin with.) THEY OPENED THE f***ING THING WITH ELIX SKIPPER VS. KWEE WEE HOW COULD YOU LAST
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 6, 2016 6:19:51 GMT -5
What's weird, is you could tell the story of Goldberg 'rebelling against Russo' without making everything on your show look goofy. Just have him do the walk out without it just taking a hammer to kayfabe. You then book him a No Holds Barred match with Steiner just the same as punishment, it plays out exactly the same way without the added stupid coating of "FAKEFAKEFAKEFAKEFAKE, but THIS is real." As it stands though, the commentary in that match, YUCK. "What are they going to do now, improvise?" Poor old Tony, having to say goofy shit. Not to mention Mark Madden just sucking in general. As bad as WWE's commentary has been, as bad as TNA's has been; it's never sunk to that level. It's also hard to figure how Goldberg is the heel for not going along with Russo, like, did anyone clue them in on what the biggest face in wrestling had been doing the last 2 years or so by then with authority figures?
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Post by ICBM on Feb 6, 2016 7:02:17 GMT -5
The Kwee Wi.....WCW tries to do Mango from SNL and nobody wants to be the mark for mango on tv so he just becomes a weird guy with female followers. Yup wcw brand of lame gimmickery. That yr also saw the introduction and push of Maestro and M.I. Smooth among others. Amazing that this is the same promotion who had only two yrs previous, introduced Bill Golderg, re-tooled colorless Scott Stiener into a big bad booty daddy and turned Sting into an iconic vigilante character
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Post by DjZonk on Feb 6, 2016 7:33:09 GMT -5
That New Blood Rising PPV was the bottom of the dark 2000 WCW barrell. Evcen Lance Storm was wrecked, and he was hot at the time. Just awful stuff.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 6, 2016 15:54:37 GMT -5
This is why when anyone defends Russo as a booker, I laugh. This is the single worst idea ever put to paper, and that includes corpse f***ing and turkey dancing. It was so awful, you might as well dropped a big banner over the show that said "FAKE". And the announcers put over f***ing Steiner for being powerbombed and following the script. It was just incredible to me, just as it is now.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Feb 6, 2016 16:17:09 GMT -5
We worked the marks and the smarks, bros
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Post by JTG Fan on Feb 6, 2016 16:22:42 GMT -5
Bro, the fact that you're still talking about it, in 2016, means it was a success, bro.
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