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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 10, 2016 10:46:51 GMT -5
Have enough people already said 90 days is excessive but Titus is an idiot for doing that?
Because I'd like to say it too.
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Feb 10, 2016 10:48:24 GMT -5
I think a stern talking to might have worked, but I do wonder if him going off on JBL last year may have put him on thin ice. It was great, but I can see Vince thinking that it was "unprofessional."
At the end of the day, I don't think it's anything THAT bad--at worst, maybe a missed Raw and Smackdown taping for a week or two. That'd get the point across but not be so punitive.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 10, 2016 10:49:07 GMT -5
Time and place for everything and grabbing a 70 year old man in an extremely emotional state by the arm and spinning him around in front of a lot of the company and more importantly 15k fans was not the right time and place. So suspend him? Bullshit. No not bullshit. He could have easily been fired for this act of stupidity on his part and it'd be easily justified. Shit, anywhere else that would have been the end of his employment. He grabbed and forcibly spun his senior citizen boss around in front of other co-workers and the customers. That is a huge mistake, even if he did not mean anything bad by it.
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Post by Vern on Feb 10, 2016 10:49:35 GMT -5
Maybe Titus said something that ticked Vince off at the time of grabbing him. Or maybe Titus was on probation, so to speak, for other unrelated stuff, and this wa the last straw? For a guy who spends a lot of time around kids he does like to curse a lot. I can't say anything as I'm the same way. Though, at least I don't do it at meet and greets or (like a couple years ago) when staring into the hard camera.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 10, 2016 10:50:55 GMT -5
Honestly, I could see him being kept off TV UNTIL or even just after WrestleMania, which is about 50 days (and let's be honest, O'Neil would only be a warm body for the Andre, suspension or no suspension), but past it by another 40 seems too harsh.
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Post by Ryushinku on Feb 10, 2016 10:51:13 GMT -5
I need to wait for a bit more info on this. Doesn't seem like the whole thing yet.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Feb 10, 2016 10:53:23 GMT -5
Thank god he didn't sneeze or he'd be fired.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 10, 2016 10:54:01 GMT -5
Have enough people already said 90 days is excessive but Titus is an idiot for doing that? Because I'd like to say it too. 90 days is just the max not what he's been suspended, I doubt it will be that long. This explains why Young was teaming with Henry.
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Post by JTG Fan on Feb 10, 2016 10:54:46 GMT -5
So suspend him? Bullshit. No not bullshit. He could have easily been fired for this act of stupidity on his part and it'd be easily justified. Shit, anywhere else that would have been the end of his employment. He grabbed and forcibly spun his senior citizen boss around in front of other co-workers and the customers. That is a huge mistake, even if he did not mean anything bad by it. You have a weird definitions of justified. If this suspension is unpaid, I would be considering legal action by Titus. Look, I get that it might not have been 'cool' in WWE's eyes that he did it. So you give him a stern talking to, or you keep him off TV for a week. But literally all we know is that Titus grabbed Vince, and now he's facing a lengthy suspension. I have no idea how anybody can justify that. It's complete bullshit. The thing about 'forcibly spinning' a senior citizen might hold up in some places, but it clearly wasn't assault and it seems pretty clear Vince wasn't harmed. Grabbing your boss in a 'ah, c'mere you' fashion is not a huge, fireable offense. And on top of it all, THIS IS THEIR PROFESSION.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 10, 2016 10:59:43 GMT -5
No not bullshit. He could have easily been fired for this act of stupidity on his part and it'd be easily justified. Shit, anywhere else that would have been the end of his employment. He grabbed and forcibly spun his senior citizen boss around in front of other co-workers and the customers. That is a huge mistake, even if he did not mean anything bad by it. You have a weird definitions of justified. If this suspension is unpaid, I would be considering legal action by Titus. Look, I get that it might not have been 'cool' in WWE's eyes that he did it. So you give him a stern talking to, or you keep him off TV for a week. But literally all we know is that Titus grabbed Vince, and now he's facing a lengthy suspension. I have no idea how anybody can justify that. It's complete bullshit. The thing about 'forcibly spinning' a senior citizen might hold up in some places, but it clearly wasn't assault and it seems pretty clear Vince wasn't harmed. Grabbing your boss in a 'ah, c'mere you' fashion is not a huge, fireable offense. And on top of it all, THIS IS THEIR PROFESSION. This really does remind of the CM Punk thing about how WWE is a world of contradictions. It's a wrestling company, which operates differently than virtually any other business on earth in terms of what's ok and not ok, but at the same time they have a public image to uphold so they feel the need to act like a corporate company. Makes stuff like this very confusing. It was a dumb move by Titus but I get what he was trying to do. He was trying to lighten the mood. I do that in situations where everybody's all sad. Punish him if you really feel the need but if he's really suspended for 90 days and is missing Mania, that is pretty wack.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 10, 2016 11:03:22 GMT -5
[ The thing about 'forcibly spinning' a senior citizen might hold up in some places, but it clearly wasn't assault and it seems pretty clear Vince wasn't harmed. Grabbing your boss in a 'ah, c'mere you' fashion is not a huge, fireable offense. And on top of it all, THIS IS THEIR PROFESSION. ... you don't see the difference between grabbing someone from behind and yanking his arm when they aren't expecting it and doing a pre-planned spot with a pulled punch? Because... that is exactly what you are saying there.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 10, 2016 11:04:12 GMT -5
No not bullshit. He could have easily been fired for this act of stupidity on his part and it'd be easily justified. Shit, anywhere else that would have been the end of his employment. He grabbed and forcibly spun his senior citizen boss around in front of other co-workers and the customers. That is a huge mistake, even if he did not mean anything bad by it. You have a weird definitions of justified. If this suspension is unpaid, I would be considering legal action by Titus. Look, I get that it might not have been 'cool' in WWE's eyes that he did it. So you give him a stern talking to, or you keep him off TV for a week. But literally all we know is that Titus grabbed Vince, and now he's facing a lengthy suspension. I have no idea how anybody can justify that. It's complete bullshit. The thing about 'forcibly spinning' a senior citizen might hold up in some places, but it clearly wasn't assault and it seems pretty clear Vince wasn't harmed. Grabbing your boss in a 'ah, c'mere you' fashion is not a huge, fireable offense. And on top of it all, THIS IS THEIR PROFESSION. They know real life from the worked side of things and if they don't they're stupid and should not be in the business but none of that matters IMO. In no line of employment can you grab and forcibly spin your boss like he clearly did in front of co-workers and more importantly millions of paying customers and not suffer major consequences. I am sorry you do not agree but the reality is what he did can lead to termination and it be easily justified. You cannot lay your hands on a co-worker like that and get off Scot-free.
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Post by JTG Fan on Feb 10, 2016 11:07:03 GMT -5
[ The thing about 'forcibly spinning' a senior citizen might hold up in some places, but it clearly wasn't assault and it seems pretty clear Vince wasn't harmed. Grabbing your boss in a 'ah, c'mere you' fashion is not a huge, fireable offense. And on top of it all, THIS IS THEIR PROFESSION. ... you don't see the difference between grabbing someone from behind and yanking his arm when they aren't expecting it and doing a pre-planned spot with a pulled punch? Because... that is exactly what you are saying there. No, I don't. If this were an investment bank, I could see where the picture gets complicated if you grab your boss a little harder than you intended and would necessitate an HR visit. But this is the f***ing WWE. Vince wasn't hurt, or assaulted. This was nothing, and it's all about sending a message to the wrestlers who they willingly exploit and abuse.
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Post by JTG Fan on Feb 10, 2016 11:11:01 GMT -5
The appeals to authority here are ridiculous. Can WWE suspend or fire him for that? Sure, because they are independent contractors. Does that in any way make it right, or justifiable through the filter of basic human eyes? f*** no. It's complete bullshit. WWE workers should unionize.
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Feb 10, 2016 11:11:08 GMT -5
Remember when Emma was fired for accidental petty theft and re-hired hours later?
I get the feeling we'll be seeing Titus sooner than later.
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Post by hargh on Feb 10, 2016 11:12:09 GMT -5
"Damnit. The one time Vince doesn't think I'm Shelton."
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Post by PTBartman on Feb 10, 2016 11:15:18 GMT -5
When Titus O'Neil returns he goes on a losing streak at the hands of Prince Pretty. Nope. When he returns he'll be teamed with Tyler as Princess Pretty and given a mop as his lady in waiting. Vince figures he still has Vito's dresses and Saturn's mop and nothing motivates better than public humiliation.
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Post by PTBartman on Feb 10, 2016 11:16:26 GMT -5
When Titus O'Neil returns he goes on a losing streak at the hands of Prince Pretty. Nope. When he returns he'll be teamed with Tyler as Princess Pretty and given a mop as his lady in waiting. Vince figures he still has Vito's dresses and Saturn's mop and nothing motivates better than public humiliation.
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Post by dreidemy on Feb 10, 2016 11:16:27 GMT -5
The appeals to authority here are ridiculous. Can WWE suspend or fire him for that? Sure, because they are independent contractors. Does that in any way make it right, or justifiable through the filter of basic human eyes? f*** no. It's complete bullshit. WWE workers should unionize. The best part is Lana reaction
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 11:17:31 GMT -5
I can see how it'd be called unprofessional. They were still on the air and just wrapping up a heartfelt moment. Wrong time for Titus to start messing around. 90 days seems harsh though.
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