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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 27, 2016 9:26:54 GMT -5
I assume the talk went like this:
Producer: "David, we're replacing you as the voice of Solid Snake" Hayter: "You're replacing me as the voice of Solid Snake?" Producer: "Yes, with fellow Canadian Kiefer Sutherland" Hayter: "Fellow Canadian Kiefer Sutherland?"
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 27, 2016 10:04:35 GMT -5
I assume Kojima saw Sutherland and exclaimed, "Finally, a voice actor to surpass David Hayter!"
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Post by FinalGwen on Mar 27, 2016 10:15:00 GMT -5
If they were going to replace him, they should have done it as soon as they started with Naked Snake in MGS3. It's a different character, it kind of makes sense to have a different voice, even if it's played much the same way. But once he's established in the part, it's bloody stupid to replace him with Sutherland. It sounds wrong, and it screws over an actor who's been loyal to the series.
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Post by Fundertaker on Mar 27, 2016 10:15:30 GMT -5
I assume the talk went like this: Producer: "David, we're replacing you as the voice of Solid Snake" Hayter: "You're replacing me as the voice of Solid Snake?" Producer: "Yes, with fellow Canadian Kiefer Sutherland" Hayter: "Fellow Canadian Kiefer Sutherland?"Producer: "And he's going to receive 3 time the ammount you were!" Hayter: "Receive?"
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 27, 2016 10:41:59 GMT -5
If they were going to replace him, they should have done it as soon as they started with Naked Snake in MGS3. It's a different character, it kind of makes sense to have a different voice, even if it's played much the same way. But once he's established in the part, it's bloody stupid to replace him with Sutherland. It sounds wrong, and it screws over an actor who's been loyal to the series. After a lengthy (key word for me and MGSV: LENGTHY ha!) period of adjustment I've warmed up to the gameplay and I've actually been having a lot of fun slicing throats and dying every three minutes, all the while finding Kiefer Snake the most out of place thing in the world.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Mar 27, 2016 10:42:28 GMT -5
Don't be a Hayter!
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Post by weaselboy on Mar 27, 2016 10:45:34 GMT -5
If I had to be associated with and voice that sexist claptrap I'd be cross.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 27, 2016 10:54:17 GMT -5
If it makes Hayter feel any better, the real Kojima died years ago and the current Kojima is a clone controlled by nanomachines.
Oh, and everything is a VR simulation
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Mar 27, 2016 11:09:58 GMT -5
Man, I don't know the full story (which I feel I should, given I'm such a huge Metal Gear), so can someone tell me: when and how did Kojima start this downward spiral of creative difficulties?
It just seems like I keep hearing about how, ever since MGS3, he was determined to end the series and move on, but Konami kept pulling him back in. And I'm not surprised to hear this: MGS4 felt very much like a finale that wrapped up loose ends, while conversely, Peace Walker and MGSV felt very phoned in and weak from a narrative standpoint. And now this: what is there to be gained from showing such disrespect to a well known voice actor who has supported the series from day one and who was willing and prepared to do a good job in the role?
Can someone please provide me with sources, or an in-depth explanation? I'm really curious about the backstage saga the Metal Gear series has experienced.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 27, 2016 11:16:11 GMT -5
"Dave are you there? Dave is something wrong?! Dave? Dave?! DAAAAAAAAVE!"
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 27, 2016 11:52:34 GMT -5
Man, I don't know the full story (which I feel I should, given I'm such a huge Metal Gear), so can someone tell me: when and how did Kojima start this downward spiral of creative difficulties? It just seems like I keep hearing about how, ever since MGS3, he was determined to end the series and move on, but Konami kept pulling him back in. And I'm not surprised to hear this: MGS4 felt very much like a finale that wrapped up loose ends, while conversely, Peace Walker and MGSV felt very phoned in and weak from a narrative standpoint. And now this: what is there to be gained from showing such disrespect to a well known voice actor who has supported the series from day one and who was willing and prepared to do a good job in the role? Can someone please provide me with sources, or an in-depth explanation? I'm really curious about the backstage saga the Metal Gear series has experienced. I'm not sure I believe that Kojima wanted to end at MGS 4 since there was still a pretty long period between MGS 3 and Metal Gear. I feel like we were always going to get Peace Walker and MGS V. As far as creative difficulties, well... I think you could attribute that to Konami giving more freedom after Metal Gear Solid became a hit and then it probably got to a point where all of this storyline stuff got way too complex.
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Post by Raskovnik on Mar 27, 2016 16:11:43 GMT -5
I liked Sutherland way more than Hayter and wish he had somehow gotten the role sooner. He brought actual gravitas to the part, and I don't give a shit who thinks MGS is goofy or cheesy and therefore something like actually good voice acting wouldn't be preferable. I cannot imagine Hayter doing the "You're all diamonds" scene and having it be nearly as poignant as it was. It did way more to establish for me why Big Boss is a man worth following in two minutes than the entirety of Peace Walker and Hayter's shitty, comical voice acting did and the voice work was a big part of that.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 28, 2016 8:45:05 GMT -5
If they were going to replace him, they should have done it as soon as they started with Naked Snake in MGS3. It's a different character, it kind of makes sense to have a different voice, even if it's played much the same way. But once he's established in the part, it's bloody stupid to replace him with Sutherland. It sounds wrong, and it screws over an actor who's been loyal to the series. Also doing it in the way they reportedly did, with Hayter not knowing he was replaced until he ran into a random producer at the recording studio. That's just some straight Bullshit.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 28, 2016 10:01:17 GMT -5
I liked Sutherland way more than Hayter and wish he had somehow gotten the role sooner. He brought actual gravitas to the part, and I don't give a shit who thinks MGS is goofy or cheesy and therefore something like actually good voice acting wouldn't be preferable. I cannot imagine Hayter doing the "You're all diamonds" scene and having it be nearly as poignant as it was. It did way more to establish for me why Big Boss is a man worth following in two minutes than the entirety of Peace Walker and Hayter's shitty, comical voice acting did and the voice work was a big part of that. I actually agree with you. I just wish Venom Snake had more to say. Maybe Kiefer was paid by the word or something.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 11:00:13 GMT -5
I was always under the impression they mo-capped Sutherland for Boss' actions in V, and that was the tipping point for them going with an action star like Sutherland. Assuming what he's saying is true (and I have reason to wonder, I'll get to that in a bit), that'd be strange. Like a previous poster said, it was already established that Big Boss' voice was David Hayter, and the MGS series strives for continuity when it comes to characters. I don't believe for one second he doesn't have ill will towards Sutherland, Konami, Kojima, etc. I had to unfollow him on Twitter during the development of MGS V because his timeline was a constant tweet/RT bitchfest about MGS V and any/everyone involved. I'm a fan of the guy as an actor, but it just came off pathetic. He's totally right that Konami/Kojima could have handled it better, but for him (and any fans) to think that the blame for the messy breakup and any unprofessionalism is one-sided is ridiculous. Man, I don't know the full story (which I feel I should, given I'm such a huge Metal Gear), so can someone tell me: when and how did Kojima start this downward spiral of creative difficulties? It just seems like I keep hearing about how, ever since MGS3, he was determined to end the series and move on, but Konami kept pulling him back in. And I'm not surprised to hear this: MGS4 felt very much like a finale that wrapped up loose ends, while conversely, Peace Walker and MGSV felt very phoned in and weak from a narrative standpoint. And now this: what is there to be gained from showing such disrespect to a well known voice actor who has supported the series from day one and who was willing and prepared to do a good job in the role? Can someone please provide me with sources, or an in-depth explanation? I'm really curious about the backstage saga the Metal Gear series has experienced. I'm not sure I believe that Kojima wanted to end at MGS 4 since there was still a pretty long period between MGS 3 and Metal Gear. I feel like we were always going to get Peace Walker and MGS V. As far as creative difficulties, well... I think you could attribute that to Konami giving more freedom after Metal Gear Solid became a hit and then it probably got to a point where all of this storyline stuff got way too complex. I don't remember exactly where, but I remember reading in an interview that Kojima had ALL intention of ending it with 4, but regretted how heavily story-driven and light on gameplay it was, hence why Peace Walker and V pulled back on it so much
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Mar 28, 2016 18:26:59 GMT -5
SUCH A LUST FOR VOICE ACTING! WHOOOOOOOOO?!
Oh, and honestly, as much as I enjoyed his grumble, Sutherland definitely bought more to the part.
I just wish he'd said more. I realise that it could've been intentional in regards to certain plot details, but still.
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 29, 2016 8:38:25 GMT -5
I preferred Sutherland to Hayter, I dunno why Hayter was so shocked that Kojima wanted to replace him for the voice of Big Boss. As for why Sutherland wasn't used as much it fit the character of Venom Snake and I noticed the little subtle differences between him and Big Boss in terms of speech patterns. If anything I'm more pissed they didn't use Kiefer for Big Boss throughout the entire series. Hayter will always be a great Solid Snake but as Big Boss he was terrible IMO
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 29, 2016 8:43:18 GMT -5
I preferred Sutherland to Hayter, I dunno why Hayter was so shocked that Kojima wanted to replace him for the voice of Big Boss. As for why Sutherland wasn't used as much it fit the character of Venom Snake and I noticed the little subtle differences between him and Big Boss in terms of speech patterns. If anything I'm more pissed they didn't use Kiefer for Big Boss throughout the entire series. Hayter will always be a great Solid Snake but as Big Boss he was terrible IMO The transcript there says that Kojima tried to replace him as Solid Snake too.
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 29, 2016 8:44:40 GMT -5
I preferred Sutherland to Hayter, I dunno why Hayter was so shocked that Kojima wanted to replace him for the voice of Big Boss. As for why Sutherland wasn't used as much it fit the character of Venom Snake and I noticed the little subtle differences between him and Big Boss in terms of speech patterns. If anything I'm more pissed they didn't use Kiefer for Big Boss throughout the entire series. Hayter will always be a great Solid Snake but as Big Boss he was terrible IMO Why in the world didn't they get a different guy to play Otacon's dumbass father. That character is terrible and the voice acting makes it worse.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 29, 2016 8:54:28 GMT -5
If it makes Hayter feel any better, the real Kojima died years ago and the current Kojima is a clone controlled by nanomachines. Oh, and everything is a VR simulation
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