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Post by The Ichi on Mar 29, 2016 10:37:42 GMT -5
I've never found any wrestler to be an "everyman" type, really. They're all more athletic, better looking (usually) and richer than I'll ever be.
I guess Rhodes and Foley, but even they had more money and in Foleys case a hot wife.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 10:41:40 GMT -5
I've never found any wrestler to be an "everyman" type, really. They're all more athletic, better looking (usually) and richer than I'll ever be. I guess Rhodes and Foley, but even they had more money and in Foleys case a hot wife. Well, the thing is they're everyman types because they come off like just some guy off the street who just happens to have enough talent and enough heart to make it in a field that shouldn't be for them, and people can idolize that and relate to it thinking maybe one day they can be something like that themselves. Nobody's seeing the ex-football player with silky smooth hair who always wins, is vaguely a SWAT member, doesn't have a single consistent personality trait, and simultaneously talks about having a hard life and being an underdog while constantly boasting about the tons of people in his field he's related to including one of the biggest movie stars in the world and picturing a bit of themselves in that.
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 29, 2016 10:46:20 GMT -5
Eh. Lars doesn't bother me as much as Paul Phoenix, the guy who has a good win lost record against the Mishimas is treated like a joke. Paul Phoenix is the Dean Ambrose of Tekken. Paul, like Ambrose, is legit but he can never get the job done. Funny enough Paul technically won Tekken 3(went undefeated) but since he didn't beat TRUE Orge, Jin is the King of Iron Fist. Who knew The World Fighting Tournament(Virtua Fighter) and The King of Fighters(Fatal Fury timeline) would have the most conclusive winners?
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 29, 2016 10:49:00 GMT -5
I've never found any wrestler to be an "everyman" type, really. They're all more athletic, better looking (usually) and richer than I'll ever be. I guess Rhodes and Foley, but even they had more money and in Foleys case a hot wife. Well, the thing is they're everyman types because they come off like just some guy off the street who just happens to have enough talent and enough heart to make it in a field that shouldn't be for them. That's the thing though, the everyman DOESN'T have enough heart and talent to make it to WWE. That's why he's the everyman. You wanna see someone closer to the everyman, go to the most rinky-dink looking indy show in your area. Though even that guy could probably beat you in a fight.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 29, 2016 12:10:38 GMT -5
Well, the thing is they're everyman types because they come off like just some guy off the street who just happens to have enough talent and enough heart to make it in a field that shouldn't be for them. That's the thing though, the everyman DOESN'T have enough heart and talent to make it to WWE. That's why he's the everyman. You wanna see someone closer to the everyman, go to the most rinky-dink looking indy show in your area. Though even that guy could probably beat you in a fight. I don't think you quite understand the everyman archetype. People who look, dress, and identify with regular Joes are everyman characters. Dusty, Foley, Austin, DDP, Punk, Ambrose, Bryan. Those are everyman characters. Larger than life, sure. But they also carried themselves like regular guys in an outlandish world.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 29, 2016 12:31:38 GMT -5
That's the thing though, the everyman DOESN'T have enough heart and talent to make it to WWE. That's why he's the everyman. You wanna see someone closer to the everyman, go to the most rinky-dink looking indy show in your area. Though even that guy could probably beat you in a fight. I don't think you quite understand the everyman archetype. People who look, dress, and identify with regular Joes are everyman characters. Dusty, Foley, Austin, DDP, Punk, Ambrose, Bryan. Those are everyman characters. Larger than life, sure. But they also carried themselves like regular guys in an outlandish world. I understand it, I'm just saying it doesn't truly exist outside of fiction.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Mar 29, 2016 12:42:20 GMT -5
I don't think you quite understand the everyman archetype. People who look, dress, and identify with regular Joes are everyman characters. Dusty, Foley, Austin, DDP, Punk, Ambrose, Bryan. Those are everyman characters. Larger than life, sure. But they also carried themselves like regular guys in an outlandish world. I understand it, I'm just saying it doesn't truly exist outside of fiction. But since wrestling angles are fictional, shouldn't or wouldn't it be easier to buy into the idea of the everyman, as a fantasy or a fiction, precisely because it doesn't exist in the real world?
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 29, 2016 12:49:13 GMT -5
I understand it, I'm just saying it doesn't truly exist outside of fiction. But since wrestling angles are fictional, shouldn't or wouldn't it be easier to buy into the idea of the everyman, as a fantasy or a fiction, precisely because it doesn't exist in the real world? Yeah, I'm not saying they shouldn't exist. I just meant that I personally have never looked at a wrestler, even the ones played up as being complete scrubs, and thought "I could do THAT!". Well, not since I was 7 anyway.
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Post by What? on Mar 29, 2016 12:55:29 GMT -5
I own black pants, just like him...
Ok I got stuck after that last comparison and decided to go ahead and post.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 29, 2016 12:57:03 GMT -5
I can only speak for myself but I frequently get undeserved opportunities ahead of more talented and deserving people in my job where I've been in line for big promotions because of my cousin, despite how unpopular this is with the people who pay my wages. I can, like, totally relate to Roman Reigns. He's the People's Champion.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 29, 2016 14:09:03 GMT -5
I definitely relate to the tall handsome muscular guy with a perfect head of hair who's been given a superman push to the moon. List of people I can see getting an underdog push in WWE: Ziggler Cesaro Kofi Ryder List of people who actually get one: That guy in the Samoan family Vince has a hard on for.
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Post by Boozeman on Mar 29, 2016 14:11:34 GMT -5
Triple H and Stephanie's promos are taken out of a page from the Heel Rasslin 101 madlibs book.
"We are the ______ and you all wish you could be as ______ as us. All of you _______ in the crowd don't ______ better, ______ better or ______ better than The Authority. This Sunday, I'm going to walk into Wrestlemania as ________ and after I ________ Roman Reigns in the ________ I'm going to walk out as the __________"
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Post by edgehead on Mar 29, 2016 14:12:59 GMT -5
I have a confession. I didn't read your entire post just like I don't listen to Roman promos. You totally relate to him!
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Post by CeilingFan on Mar 29, 2016 14:15:15 GMT -5
Honestly, I am sick and tired of all the Reigns hate. I would rather have 10 years of the Roman Empire then 5 more years of Cenation!
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Post by Fade on Mar 29, 2016 14:18:17 GMT -5
Ya know how back, back, back in the day people loved Superman? Wanted to be him. Woman were swooned by the tall, dark, and handsome man?
Shits passed. Who do people like now? Spider-Man. The nerd. The actual underdog.
Vince dont got too long left, yall.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 29, 2016 14:23:13 GMT -5
Honestly, I am sick and tired of all the Reigns hate. I would rather have 10 years of the Roman Empire then 5 more years of Cenation!
That's like saying I'd rather someone take a shit on a plate and hand it to me than eat fruitcake, Brussels sprouts, or those butter cookies that come in the blue metal box.
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Post by CeilingFan on Mar 29, 2016 14:26:45 GMT -5
Honestly, I am sick and tired of all the Reigns hate. I would rather have 10 years of the Roman Empire then 5 more years of Cenation!
That's like saying I'd rather someone take a shit on a plate and hand it to me than eat fruitcake, Brussels sprouts, or those butter cookies that come in the blue metal box. I like Brussel Sprouts.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 29, 2016 14:37:39 GMT -5
That's like saying I'd rather someone take a shit on a plate and hand it to me than eat fruitcake, Brussels sprouts, or those butter cookies that come in the blue metal box. I like Brussel Sprouts. Cena is the Brussel sprouts in this comparison.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Mar 29, 2016 14:46:51 GMT -5
Honestly, I am sick and tired of all the Reigns hate. I would rather have 10 years of the Roman Empire then 5 more years of Cenation!
God no. I hate Cena, but I'd take that multicolored goof over Reigns in a nanosecond.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 29, 2016 14:52:55 GMT -5
Ya know how back, back, back in the day people loved Superman? Wanted to be him. Woman were swooned by the tall, dark, and handsome man? Shits passed. Who do people like now? Spider-Man. The nerd. The actual underdog. Vince dont got too long left, yall. There's still plenty of people who like Superman and the like, but the difference is that Superman is an ideal, whereas Spider-Man is more grounded in something closer to what the expected reader might be. Teenage nerds can relate to Peter for being picked on and not very popular, for having a crush on the really hot girl at school, for taking an interest in science. But heroes like Superman still have clout, they just exist as loftier goals; they're idealized not as the wish fulfillment twist on a life that the reader can easily be put into, but as a grander thing. Something impossible and unattainable, but as something to be guided by. People who wish they could be Superman understand how divorced it is from their reality, but he's not exactly lost all cultural resonance. The problem is that Vince doesn't understand that. He's not just out of touch as an old guy, but he is a very blatant alpha male type making a product being consumed by an increasingly nerdy audience, and not everybody wants to be the cocky, smarmy jock type. It's the same issue a lot of people on here had with Dolph Ziggler over the summer during his feud with Rusev; we were expected to relate to and enjoy a character who honestly felt more like the kinds of people a lot of fans have likely been bullied by rather than someone they see themselves as. That's probably a good chunk of why he doesn't understand why people are booing Roman; what about him isn't there to love? Why don't we realize how much we want to be him? It's become a recurring talking point in promos because Vince doesn't see how people couldn't want to relate to the guy. It's a mess.
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