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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 6:53:07 GMT -5
We shouldn't be surprised by any of this anymore.
Not a damn bit.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Mar 30, 2016 6:56:40 GMT -5
This is the same company led by a man who was genuinely shocked that the crowd shit on Trump vs Rosie so I honestly wouldn't be surprised.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 30, 2016 7:01:30 GMT -5
You think Brie and Nattie just up and decided to act like Eva had just farted in their faces?
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Post by The Yes Man on Mar 30, 2016 7:09:54 GMT -5
I thought this was Kayfabe News...
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 30, 2016 7:10:38 GMT -5
You think Brie and Nattie just up and decided to act like Eva had just farted in their faces? I'm just waiting for someone to make up a NEWZ story where they all got THE NUCLEAR HEATZ backstage because they didn't react to Eva Marie as if she was a conquering superface, and for everyone to believe it.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 30, 2016 7:12:20 GMT -5
Just gonna repost what I posted in the other thread:
She's been on the main roster before and was a heel. She's also spent the last few months being a mega heel. Even on Total Divas, she's somewhat of an outcast. It's possible that the story they are going for is that the babyfaces don't trust this girl that comes out of nowhere to save them only for the new girl to prove her worth and be a crucial part in them winning the match. Thus, Eva is solidified as a "babyface" (in theory, anyway) and the girls all hug to give Brie a nice little WM moment on her way out the door.
It's really not unbelievable or even an unheard of story in wrestling. And it's not like the main roster writers have shown this great attention to detail when it comes to what works in NXT. Most of the disbelief of the report comes from, "these people really can't be that stupid" but they've proven over the past few years that yeah, they kinda CAN be that stupid. Of course, they could totally change the story after the reaction on Raw but it's really not that hard to believe that they would think this super hot chick who they clearly love could be a babyface by saving other faces.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 30, 2016 7:24:13 GMT -5
Just gonna repost what I posted in the other thread: She's been on the main roster before and was a heel. She's also spent the last few months being a mega heel. Even on Total Divas, she's somewhat of an outcast. It's possible that the story they are going for is that the babyfaces don't trust this girl that comes out of nowhere to save them only for the new girl to prove her worth and be a crucial part in them winning the match. Thus, Eva is solidified as a "babyface" (in theory, anyway) and the girls all hug to give Brie a nice little WM moment on her way out the door. It's really not unbelievable or even an unheard of story in wrestling. And it's not like the main roster writers have shown this great attention to detail when it comes to what works in NXT. Most of the disbelief of the report comes from, "these people really can't be that stupid" but they've proven over the past few years that yeah, they kinda CAN be that stupid. Of course, they could totally change the story after the reaction on Raw but it's really not that hard to believe that they would think this super hot chick who they clearly love could be a babyface by saving other faces. When you consider how many people who see both the main roster AND NXT on a semi-regular basis (Hayes, Cole, HHH, likely others) are there, you figure they weren't the least bit surprised at that reaction. It wouldn't surprise me if Vince was, but it's nearly impossible that the rest of them don't know better (even if they don't have the balls to say it to Vince).
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 30, 2016 7:34:43 GMT -5
Just gonna repost what I posted in the other thread: She's been on the main roster before and was a heel. She's also spent the last few months being a mega heel. Even on Total Divas, she's somewhat of an outcast. It's possible that the story they are going for is that the babyfaces don't trust this girl that comes out of nowhere to save them only for the new girl to prove her worth and be a crucial part in them winning the match. Thus, Eva is solidified as a "babyface" (in theory, anyway) and the girls all hug to give Brie a nice little WM moment on her way out the door. It's really not unbelievable or even an unheard of story in wrestling. And it's not like the main roster writers have shown this great attention to detail when it comes to what works in NXT. Most of the disbelief of the report comes from, "these people really can't be that stupid" but they've proven over the past few years that yeah, they kinda CAN be that stupid. Of course, they could totally change the story after the reaction on Raw but it's really not that hard to believe that they would think this super hot chick who they clearly love could be a babyface by saving other faces. When you consider how many people who see both the main roster AND NXT on a semi-regular basis (Hayes, Cole, HHH, likely others) are there, you figure they weren't the least bit surprised at that reaction. It wouldn't surprise me if Vince was, but it's nearly impossible that the rest of them don't know better (even if they don't have the balls to say it to Vince).And that's the key right there. Yeah, others on the main roster know about NXT but Vince makes the final call and he don't really give a f*** about NXT. Historically, who has been called up from NXT and used somewhat as well as they were on NXT? Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn now (and who knows where he'll be at in a few months), Paige and...that's about it. The flops from NXT far outnumber the success stories and there's a very clear reason for that. The guy at the top of the chain (and his little cronies, whoever they may be) don't pay attention to that product and they are the ones that have the real power. Assume nothing, especially with this company. Yeah, it would make sense that they would know what works from NXT but what makes sense isn't always the route that WWE goes.
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Post by anglarite on Mar 30, 2016 11:28:14 GMT -5
Mind blown.
Also, maybe they thought "They might not boo Roman if we give them a more obvious target..."
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 30, 2016 11:32:46 GMT -5
Of course they were.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 11:36:30 GMT -5
Mind blown. Also, maybe they thought "They might not boo Roman if we give them a more obvious target..." Nah WWE would probably think "Maybe they won't boo Roman if we give him a diva valet. Let's give him Eva Marie!"
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Post by madness50 on Mar 30, 2016 12:05:30 GMT -5
As much as I would love to believe this, I just can't fathom the higher ups in WWE being that stupid.
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Post by sunnytaker on Mar 30, 2016 12:20:54 GMT -5
Mind blown. Also, maybe they thought "They might not boo Roman if we give them a more obvious target..." Nah WWE would probably think "Maybe they won't boo Roman if we give him a diva valet. Let's give him Eva Marie!" that could actually work- have eva marie claim credit for everything reigns does until he finally has had enough and fires her. the cheers might outnumber the boos then.
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Post by What? on Mar 30, 2016 12:28:14 GMT -5
They should never be "not happy" when someone is being booed or cheered. Be happy because the wrestlers roles are being organized within the "good/bad" alignment. Be unhappy if there's crickets. Then you don't know what to do. Just book them accordingly, and well.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 30, 2016 12:44:52 GMT -5
They should never be "not happy" when someone is being booed or cheered. Be happy because the wrestlers roles are being organized within the "good/bad" alignment. Be unhappy if there's crickets. Then you don't know what to do. Just book them accordingly, and well. You must be new here When Vinnie Mac doesn't get what he wants, he throws a temper tantrum.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 30, 2016 12:47:26 GMT -5
I don't believe this. She's a heel on NXT, and there are plenty of people who work on NXT who would have known to expect that reaction. Including, presumably, Eva herself.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 30, 2016 13:36:29 GMT -5
To clarify because I listened to this version of Observer Radio; what Meltzer said was that WWE knows she gets booed in NXT, but thought it was just "an NXT thing". That her returning as a babyface would go over well because all of the intense dislike of Eva was written off as something the NXT crowd does, but which they expected a more 'normal" crowd not to do immediately. It's a minor note, but it does add a bit of context to this story that otherwise does come off a lot more dubious for not having it.
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Mar 30, 2016 14:19:47 GMT -5
When you consider how many people who see both the main roster AND NXT on a semi-regular basis (Hayes, Cole, HHH, likely others) are there, you figure they weren't the least bit surprised at that reaction. It wouldn't surprise me if Vince was, but it's nearly impossible that the rest of them don't know better (even if they don't have the balls to say it to Vince).And that's the key right there. Yeah, others on the main roster know about NXT but Vince makes the final call and he don't really give a f*** about NXT. Historically, who has been called up from NXT and used somewhat as well as they were on NXT? Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn now (and who knows where he'll be at in a few months), Paige and...that's about it. The flops from NXT far outnumber the success stories and there's a very clear reason for that. The guy at the top of the chain (and his little cronies, whoever they may be) don't pay attention to that product and they are the ones that have the real power. Assume nothing, especially with this company. Yeah, it would make sense that they would know what works from NXT but what makes sense isn't always the route that WWE goes. NXT is smaller and is filled with more inexperienced talent. Not everyone who gets pushed in NXT will end up becoming a hit in WWE. It's developmental for a reason. Look at when OVW was WWE's developmental territory. Some of OVW's top pushed guys were The Bashams, Rob Conway, and Eugene. They weren't pushed nearly as well as they were in OVW. Yet, OVW still produced guys like Orton, Cena, Lesnar, & Batista. You can't say Vince doesn't give a f*** about NXT just because some guys don't end up with as good of positions on the card on the main roster that they did in NXT. Plus, most of the people who got called up and aren't getting pushed, aren't really that spectacular to begin with.
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Post by moondoggie on Mar 30, 2016 14:20:45 GMT -5
They should never be "not happy" when someone is being booed or cheered. Be happy because the wrestlers roles are being organized within the "good/bad" alignment. Be unhappy if there's crickets. Then you don't know what to do. Just book them accordingly, and well. But people aren't booing because shes a heel they are booing because she truly sucks right? At least thats the vibe i always got
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 30, 2016 14:45:07 GMT -5
And that's the key right there. Yeah, others on the main roster know about NXT but Vince makes the final call and he don't really give a f*** about NXT. Historically, who has been called up from NXT and used somewhat as well as they were on NXT? Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn now (and who knows where he'll be at in a few months), Paige and...that's about it. The flops from NXT far outnumber the success stories and there's a very clear reason for that. The guy at the top of the chain (and his little cronies, whoever they may be) don't pay attention to that product and they are the ones that have the real power. Assume nothing, especially with this company. Yeah, it would make sense that they would know what works from NXT but what makes sense isn't always the route that WWE goes. NXT is smaller and is filled with more inexperienced talent. Not everyone who gets pushed in NXT will end up becoming a hit in WWE. It's developmental for a reason. Look at when OVW was WWE's developmental territory. Some of OVW's top pushed guys were The Bashams, Rob Conway, and Eugene. They weren't pushed nearly as well as they were in OVW. Yet, OVW still produced guys like Orton, Cena, Lesnar, & Batista. You can't say Vince doesn't give a f*** about NXT just because some guys don't end up with as good of positions on the card on the main roster that they did in NXT. Plus, most of the people who got called up and aren't getting pushed, aren't really that spectacular to begin with. Not the point I'm making. It's got nothing to do with being as high as they were in NXT, it has to do with the care and effort that's put into these characters. Not everybody can be a megastar but you shouldn't be just giving up on folks when they've been on the show for like two months. It's very clear that the people working on the main roster don't understand what makes a lot of these NXT acts work or care enough to maintain those aspects. The Diva's Revolution is the textbook example. You have these talented women who got over by having great singles matches with each other on a consistent basis and emphasizing who could prove they deserve to be champion. So, what happens when they get called up? They get thrown into a ton of multi-person matches where none of them stick out and the title goes for months without being defended. It's not an issue that's contained to them, it's an issue with virtually everybody on the roster. That's just...how they book on the main roster now. What about Tyler Breeze? He comes up, gets slotted into this feud with Dolph Ziggler, actually gets a win to start off...and proceeds to get beaten to death as a lower card dude for the rest of his time up there. Why? Vince finally got a good look at this guy and decided he wasn't feeling him. That's all well and good but why even bother bringing this dude up? It's not like it was some big secret what Tyler brought to the table as a performer, what up with the start and stop booking? HHH himself has outright said Vince doesn't pay much attention to NXT and just sees it as it's own touring brand that does it's own thing. He doesn't pay close attention to it. I can even understand why, dude has a ton of shit on his plate to worry about. He lets his underlings tell him about what's going on and who's ready to move up but he doesn't know what actually makes these characters work and how they got over in the first place.
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