Dang!
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Post by Dang! on Apr 4, 2016 10:23:26 GMT -5
It was Bret/Yoko and I would rather rewatch that than actually watch Succotash Vs. Lesvesque.
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 4, 2016 10:41:05 GMT -5
I think he means the goofy impromptu Hogan/Yoko thing at the end of WM 9. I guess technically it was a match, albeit a 20 second one. For what it's worth the crowd at least popped for it. Bret/Yoko wasn't especially great either time, mainly because there's not much Bret could do with such a massive guy, but at least it was kept to about 9 minutes and wasn't awful at WM 9 (the rematch at WM 10 went 10:38).
Last night though? Oh lord. 27 minutes of THAT match after a show that seemed to last an eternity? Maybe if I put it in a vacuum and watched it as a single match it might improve, but in the context of last night that was pretty brutal and boring. Think about that. HHH's crappy match with Jericho in 2002 went 18:41 and that was also to a burnt out crowd. The Orton crapfest at WM 25 went 23:35. Who on earth thought giving Roman Reigns 27 minutes vs. HHH was a good idea?
I think that is HHH's problem main eventing WMs. He has no ability to put anything into context. On this show we had seen a crazy amount of stuff, from guys crashing through ladders and killing themselves in the opener, to the Austin/Foley/HBK cameo, to the up tempo women's match, to Shane nearly killing himself jumping off HIAC. Hell we even got Shaq wrestling for a few minutes in the battle royal. Then the Rock and Cena deal. The crowd was beyond exhausted and burnt out. It is not the time to do a psychology based "work the shoulder" match with a sluggish pace out of a mid 70s NWA title match. Honestly it kind of reminded me of seeing Taker/Edge live in Orlando, with half the crowd at the Citrus Bowl exiting since 1) The match was slow and dull during the first half and 2) No one thought Edge had a chance in hell.
Just like 2002 when HHH had no chance of following Hogan/Rock, or in 2009 when he had no hope of following Taker/HBK. Those matches had epic booking and the rest of the card had big pop moments befitting a stadium show. Seeing HHH go out there and use his knee for 20 minutes and work holds is just plain sleep inducing.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Apr 4, 2016 12:03:49 GMT -5
I was SO bored by that point I could barely stay awake
I expected them to ignore the crowd and have it as babyface Reign's coronation. That is what happened
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Post by mcstoklasa on Apr 4, 2016 12:04:49 GMT -5
"We are gonna push Roman anyway,reactions don't matter!" *mutes the whole crowd* Eventually they'll just film reigns matches in the pink room with no crowd
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Post by Fade on Apr 4, 2016 12:07:03 GMT -5
"We are gonna push Roman anyway,reactions don't matter!" *mutes the whole crowd* Eventually they'll just film reigns matches in the pink room with no crowd Just green screen a crowd from '98.
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Post by TheFadedSpade on Apr 4, 2016 12:10:46 GMT -5
Roman truly had a 50/50 crowd: half of them hated him and the other half wanted him to lose. More like 25% hated him, 25% liked him, and 50% were wondering what they would have for breakfast the next morning.
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Post by Demented on Apr 4, 2016 12:26:38 GMT -5
The match itself wasn't bad. It was just a slow, plodding, Triple H main event match that just happen to follow the biggest waste of time in WM history in that Rock/Cena/Wyatts segment. It felt like it dragged on forever. The spear through the barricade was awesome.
At least we got Queen of the Wasteland attired Stephanie McMahon out of the ordeal. Just... kinda went downhill from there.
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Post by machomuta on Apr 4, 2016 16:53:09 GMT -5
Funny, Triple H has been in three of the worst WM main event matches. That is because, he is a awful wrestler.
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Post by KobashiChop on Apr 4, 2016 17:10:52 GMT -5
Would've changed the winner of Styles vs Jericho and given Sasha the belt. HHH vs Roman was just slow and plodding. Wouldn't call it that bad.
Also, get rid of the Rock bullshit.
Wasn't nearly as bad as people seem to make out. I watched 27 live. NOTHING touches that for terrible.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Apr 4, 2016 17:22:55 GMT -5
Worst main event is still Bret/Yoko with the Hogan nonsense at the end of WM9. Another horrible main event is the wretched Wrestlemania 8 main (Hogan/Sid) that ended in a DQ, was not a title match and had the botched Papa Shango run-in. It's been worse than last night. Believe that. It cannot be sugarcoated how damn bad the end of Hogan in WWF was. Wrestlemania 7 was also a terrible main based on a jingoistic exploitative nonsense storyline but I blame Slaughter for that awful match more than Hogan.
If we're staying more contemporary (post-Attitude era) I'd argue 27 and Wrestlemania 29 were worse. The match itself was a typical HHH slugfest, but I find fault more in the fact that Vince decided to basically give the fans the finger and do what he wanted to do anyway and jam Roman down our throats. Roman deserves a lot of the blame for the main too. He's not very talented. The audience is not buying him as this world beater. HHH deserves plenty of scorn, but equal criticism to Roman as well. He is not the guy. He's even in a worse position than face Batista as far as I'm concerned and I'd never thought I'd say that. Rock/Cena II is the worst match either of those guys have been in on a big stage as far as Im concerned. 27 was almost all storyline, so Im inclined to give it a bit of a pass and I see the argument (and agree with) that Mania mains should not be storyline events other than ending feuds since they largely fail.
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Post by eJm on Apr 4, 2016 17:30:36 GMT -5
Here's something I don't get, especially with HHH main events.
You set the match up with big bloody brawls and weapons and talking about ripping each other to pieces and even, in the case with Orton, literally committing breaking and entering to beat the hell out of someone...
Then you not only not have any kind of stipulation to reflect the rivalry, you also start the match with a collar and elbow tie up and trade holds.
You spent the last few weeks whacking each other with everything you can find, then go to the ring and think 'You know, I need to prove I can technically beat this guy'? That makes zero sense. And add to the fact nothing happened, nobody ran out, the ref didn't get knocked out and I have no idea what they were going for here.
Bryan/HHH kind of made sense because the feud was built with Bryan proving he could hang with HHH so
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Post by Dave the Dave on Apr 4, 2016 17:35:29 GMT -5
HHH should know moving slowly doesn't make it seem dramatic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 17:38:57 GMT -5
Here's something I don't get, especially with HHH main events. You set the match up with big bloody brawls and weapons and talking about ripping each other to pieces and even, in the case with Orton, literally committing breaking and entering to beat the hell out of someone... Then you not only not have any kind of stipulation to reflect the rivalry, you also start the match with a collar and elbow tie up and trade holds. You spent the last few weeks whacking each other with everything you can find, then go to the ring and think 'You know, I need to prove I can technically beat this guy'? That makes zero sense. And add to the fact nothing happened, nobody ran out, the ref didn't get knocked out and I have no idea what they were going for here. Bryan/HHH kind of made sense because the feud was built with Bryan proving he could hang with HHH so Plus Bryan / Triple H was actually pretty vicious. Sure, he was trying to hang with Bryan technically, but everything Triple H did in the match had an extra punch to it and he and Stephanie were both acting so aggressive it came off like they legitimately wanted to kill Bryan and were just choosing to do it on his own terms to make sure it stung more. Last night, though? That was basically no different from when they announce, "This week for interrupting our promo, Roman, you'll face Alberto del Rio!" except he'd already competed so Triple H just did it himself.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Apr 4, 2016 17:40:35 GMT -5
Here's something I don't get, especially with HHH main events. You set the match up with big bloody brawls and weapons and talking about ripping each other to pieces and even, in the case with Orton, literally committing breaking and entering to beat the hell out of someone... Then you not only not have any kind of stipulation to reflect the rivalry, you also start the match with a collar and elbow tie up and trade holds. You spent the last few weeks whacking each other with everything you can find, then go to the ring and think 'You know, I need to prove I can technically beat this guy'? That makes zero sense. And add to the fact nothing happened, nobody ran out, the ref didn't get knocked out and I have no idea what they were going for here. Bryan/HHH kind of made sense because the feud was built with Bryan proving he could hang with HHH so I agree with your sentiment, but you know the answers to some of your questions here. They were going for what we saw at the end. Roman standing tall. They were going to get to that no matter what anyone thought and nothing was going to change it. Your sentiment in that the "journey" to that moment was completely flawed. Bryan/HHH was a great match. HHH had a lot to do with that. Hell, Roman was cheered back when he first beat the hell out of HHH a few months ago which set up the Rumble return, which again, was also helped further by HHH selling like an absolute boss. The onus on last night falls just as much on one-trick pony Roman Reigns as it does HHH. They booked a bad match and frankly, I think its hard to get a great match out of Roman Reigns. He has to be booked in a particular fashion and if not, he doesn't pull it off. IMO he's a pretty boy masquerading as a beastly wrestling god that has nothing but signature spots. This wasn't Reign of Terror HHH. He was trying his damndest to get a great match out of Roman. He failed. Roman didn't help matters.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Apr 4, 2016 17:46:28 GMT -5
The match was beyond boring. Hell I fell asleep three times watching it. Didn't see Roman pinning H and don't really care
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 4, 2016 17:48:26 GMT -5
I hadn't even considered that aspect. What we saw on TV was a bunch of unhinged brawling and it led to...a dull HHH 70s era NWA match. As far as some of those other matches, Hogan/Sid at least was just 12:28 before the run in finish and at least the Warrior return blew the roof off the Hoosier Dome. I talked to my mom this morning to gauge her thoughts on the show and her response was "All of the matches were just too...long." Think about it. From that same WM 8 show there were two classics: Bret/Piper (which got about 14 minutes) and Savage/Flair (18 minutes). Savage/Steamboat from WM 3 went all of 14:35.
Seriously, why do we need 30 minutes of Taker/Shane? It's laughable. 27 of Reigns/HHH? Taker/HHH HIAC End of an Era got 30 minutes as well, haha. Speaking of which, what era did it end? Those two guys were in the top 2 matches at this year's WM!
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Post by sonofsharknado on Apr 4, 2016 17:56:02 GMT -5
To me that almost felt like a sabotage on Triple H's part, since he was the one laying out the match. Because what sane individual genuinely thinks "Okay, they're bored, tired, aggravated, and pissed off. Let's go have the slowest, most heatless match in WrestleMania history" unless your intent was to do harm to the other person's career?
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Post by BRV on Apr 4, 2016 18:07:09 GMT -5
I was SO bored by that point I could barely stay awake I expected them to ignore the crowd and have it as babyface Reign's coronation. That is what happened I don't know if it was because I was worn out by all of the exciting stuff that had come before it on the show or if it was my general apathy toward this rivalry and match or if it was the fact that I was into my seventh hour of WrestleMania coverage, but I found myself dozing off during the main event. Even toward the end when they started hitting their big spots, I was just totally disinterested. I don't know if I'd call it the worst WrestleMania main event ever, as Randy Orton vs. Triple H at WrestleMania XXV was a shockingly disappointing match considering the blood feud that had preceded it and Sid Justice vs. Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania VIII is 10 minutes of nerve holds in a 12-minute match, but it was very very bad. It was easily the worst match on the card, but I think I'll need to give it a second viewing with a clearer head to determine if it was any worse than Orton/HHH or Sid/Hogan.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Apr 4, 2016 18:12:25 GMT -5
I couldn't believe they didn't pull out any new tricks. Roman gets beat up and goes for a punch. Then Roman gets beat up and goes for a superman punch. THEN. This time. He's getting beat up and he goes for a superman punch. Samoan Drop. Then he gets beat up some more and fire back with an attempt at a superman punch. For half an hour.
And also they did the power out of the submission thing TWICE in a row for no reason.
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Post by Starshine on Apr 4, 2016 18:17:41 GMT -5
I think it was still better than Orton/Trips and Cena/Miz. But it was still boring and just way too long.
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