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Post by Hugh Mungus on May 2, 2016 18:08:24 GMT -5
As we all know, the relationship between Fox and Marvel/Disney are strained due to Fox still owning the film rights to X-Men and the Fantastic Four.
But what most people overlook that it's likely due to the actions of former Fox head (and current Sony head) Tom Rothman and Marvel CEO Ike Perlmutter.
Perlmutter became known for his constant penny pinching, had the Fantastic Four comics cancelled (not helping matters is that the comics themselves never sold well), and began downplaying the X-Men's roles post-Secret Wars. He also ordered them to not create (or promote) any more characters based on the X-Men and FF. Kevin Feige nearly left Marvel due to him clashing with Perlmutter, and as a result, Feige currently answers to Disney CEO Alan Horn, bypassing Perlmutter (who still controls the TV and Animation divisions).
I don't know about Rothman, but it's been said that he meddled with Fox's Marvel films (Daredevil, X3: The Last Stand, FF2005 and its sequel, X-Men Origins: Wolverine), blocked efforts to have Deadpool made, saying that he "doesn't get it" and that the film would never draw, and greenlit FF2015, which flopped big time.
With both Perlmutter and Rothman out of the way, do you think that it's a possibility that Fox and Marvel Studios/Disney work together on reintroducing the X-Men and FF into the MCU, much like what Columbia/Sony did with Spider-Man?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 2, 2016 18:14:22 GMT -5
Could they? Possibly.
Will they? I'm inclined to think not until Fox needs them.
I mean Fox has talked to Marvel recently about things like they needed permission to change Negasonic Teenage Warhead's powers and to get the Greenlight on the Hellfire and Legion shows... but I don't see Fox wanting to give up control of their films just for funsies when they are still making money with their X-men franchise.
MAYBE if they attempt another Fantastic Four movie...
Also it'd be kinda hard to work in the Mutants at this point in time of the Marvel Cinematic Universe... then again time travel/alternate dimension shenanigans can be had I suppose...
Or someone was just suppressing the information about people with superpowers following the Chitauri invasion or something...
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on May 2, 2016 18:28:48 GMT -5
Or someone was just suppressing the information about people with superpowers following the Chitauri invasion or something... I could have sworn they had a quick throw away line in daredevil season 2/Jessica jones along those lines. hell they could say prof Xavier or jean grey used their powers to hide the mutants from the powers that be. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 2, 2016 19:53:57 GMT -5
Tim Miller has said that he, Simon Kinberg and Kevin Feige are "trying to build bridges" between the powers that be at Fox, Marvel and Sony to do have Deadpool and Spider-Man cross over, so I don't think it's impossible.
I certainly don't think Fox will ever give up control of the X-Men franchise while it's still profitable, but they do love money, and an Avengers/X-Men crossover would make huge money.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 2, 2016 20:00:08 GMT -5
I am inclined to think if this collaboration between Sony and Marvel with the Spider-Man stuff works out for both parties, there will be increased incentive to make it work, if it shows it can be done.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on May 2, 2016 21:08:01 GMT -5
I am inclined to think if this collaboration between Sony and Marvel with the Spider-Man stuff works out for both parties, there will be increased incentive to make it work, if it shows it can be done. There could be a potential obstacle in the way in the form of Tom Rothman, the current head of Sony Pictures. It was rumored that he disliked superhero movies. I also forgot to mention that Feige recently stated that Marvel Studios has creative control over the upcoming "Spider-Man: Homecoming". |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on May 2, 2016 23:42:35 GMT -5
Could they? Possibly. Will they? I'm inclined to think not until Fox needs them. I mean Fox has talked to Marvel recently about things like they needed permission to change Negasonic Teenage Warhead's powers and to get the Greenlight on the Hellfire and Legion shows... but I don't see Fox wanting to give up control of their films just for funsies when they are still making money with their X-men franchise. Pretty much, they're still making bank with X-Men and the movies except for X-Men 3 and the 2 Wolverine movies have been hugely praised. Fox doesn't need Marvel right now as long as they're still knocking it out of the park. I'd love to see them work together, if just to stop the Inhumans push. |
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Post by wakko on May 3, 2016 0:24:56 GMT -5
They are more likely to work something out for the Fantastic Four franchise similar to Sony/Spiderman. X-Men will stay under Fox's control as long as it makes money. There is an outside chance that X-Men could be thrown into the Marvel universe for a crossover, but it is not likely IMO.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 11:07:19 GMT -5
Frankly, the problem with putting the X-Men in the MCU is the fact that there are so many characters as it is, yet they would feel obligated to shoehorn the most prominent characters (mostly Magneto & Wolverine) at the expense of the others, so I think that Fox should just keep making X-Men movies due to the fact that they are, in essence, their own universe.
Fantastic Four, however... needs to happen. 3 bad movies in a decade is not excusable.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 11:32:53 GMT -5
They could, but I kinda hope they don't. The last thing the genre needs at this point is more homogenization.
Keeping these properties separate from each other is ideal right now as there's MORE than enough stories to tell without having everything be a shared universe.
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Post by eJm on May 3, 2016 12:08:10 GMT -5
Well, Fox's Marvel movies are making money still.
So no.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 3, 2016 12:16:05 GMT -5
Well, Fox's Marvel movies are making money still. So no. Some of them...  |
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Post by eJm on May 3, 2016 12:17:55 GMT -5
Well, Fox's Marvel movies are making money still. So no. Some of them... Ok, let me rephrase that. Fox's IMPORTANT Marvel movies are making money still. |
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Post by Hugh Mungus on May 3, 2016 16:08:16 GMT -5
Some of them... Ok, let me rephrase that. Fox's IMPORTANT Marvel movies are making money still. As I stated, Tom Rothman gets overlooked whenever MCU fans are complaining about Fox's mishandling of Marvel's properties. Wasn't FF2015 Rothman's last Marvel film he greenlit for Fox? |
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 3, 2016 19:28:53 GMT -5
Count me among those who think the X-Men should remain in a separate canon from the Avengers and Co. The mutant prejudice dynamic loses its impact when they're working alongside so many other super-powered weirdos who are largely accepted by the public.
Also this thread title makes me imagine how sick a Disney produced Starfox movie would be. Get John Boyega for the title role and they'll be making it rain in da club.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 3, 2016 19:33:26 GMT -5
Count me among those who think the X-Men should remain in a separate canon from the Avengers and Co. The mutant prejudice dynamic loses its impact when they're working alongside so many other super-powered weirdos who are largely accepted by the public. . But that's entirely the point. It's to show the outright inanity of prejudice. (Not that people in the Marvel universe completely and unilaterally trust superheroes) But the fact that they have heroes that can be just as if not more destructive than the mutants that get public acceptance is the point. |
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