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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 23, 2016 10:11:50 GMT -5
Chemistry in the ring is something that can't be predicted. I remembered how people salivated about the idea of CM Punk vs Seth Rollins happening. So when it did, it was average at best. But Punk vs Ambrose was very good. Roman is gelling with a number of opponents which is good for his long term prospects because you are not going to work with workrate darlings all of the time. As for the "AJ works great with everyone" belief, I guess most here didn't see his last year in TNA to know that's not true. AJ is AJ. We all know what he can bring to the table. The sooner people stop acting like Roman can't work or wrestle will be a good step in the direction. The fact that he still gets he can't wrestle chants is beyond funny. He shouldn't have to carry a match with Strowman or some other hoss to get his due. Him and AJ has such great chemistry that you can put this match on PPV again and still feel like your getting a diff match from the previous two.
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Post by ronin705 on May 23, 2016 12:16:11 GMT -5
What I respect the most, is that knowing Styles is with an injured back, Roman tossed him properly every single time for a back bump (ie. the first table bump where Aj moreso landed on his ass then sold after the break). Roman's safe, he looks Cena-level unstoppable, and putting him with undeniable legends like AJ Styles only benefits the company, haters be damned.
I hate it had to be my boy taking the loss as I have a debuting Balor costing him the title in my armchair booking, but going forward we'll have to see if Roman can keep following these matches.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on May 23, 2016 12:20:04 GMT -5
Also, didn’t see much love for last night's mid-forearm-spear counter finisher itself. Looked great
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Post by the2ndevil on May 23, 2016 12:53:32 GMT -5
Also, didn’t see much love for last night's mid-forearm-spear counter finisher itself. Looked great That was the spot I wanted to see the most since this program started, and I am so happy it happened.
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Post by benstudd on May 23, 2016 13:28:05 GMT -5
Bear in mind, I have not seen anybody not have chemistry with AJ Styles. He makes everything look better.
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Post by Captain2 on May 23, 2016 15:16:06 GMT -5
I'm sorry but it's more like "AJ and anyone chemistry appreciation." I'm not going to be a fan of Reigns until he's the guy carrying others to great matches instead of the other way around. I got the feeling like AJ was having an off night at Wrestlemania. His timing was off and he looked a bit sloppy at times. Reigns and AJ haven't had that same issue.
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Post by The Ichi on May 23, 2016 16:15:16 GMT -5
I think some people really don't see how absurd the notion of one person carrying another is. A wrestling match is a performance, if one guy just decides not to do jack shit I don't care who you are, there goes the match.
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Post by mauled on May 23, 2016 16:33:01 GMT -5
AJ and Roman do have good chemistry and worked well together. Of course it would have worked better if they had actually built AJ up for this feud and not simply had him as a glorified Jobber, who got thrown into a title match !
Saw an interview with Bret Hart. He feels that Roman could be a good champion but that his booking (and the booking in general) has been god awful. I think Brets 100% right.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 23, 2016 16:48:03 GMT -5
AJ and Roman do have good chemistry and worked well together. Of course it would have worked better if they had actually built AJ up for this feud and not simply had him as a glorified Jobber, who got thrown into a title match ! Saw an interview with Bret Hart. He feels that Roman could be a good champion but that his booking (and the booking in general) has been god awful. I think Brets 100% right. No disrespect to you and i'm not singling you out but some y'all need to stop using jobber in the wrong context.
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Post by mauled on May 23, 2016 17:02:42 GMT -5
AJ and Roman do have good chemistry and worked well together. Of course it would have worked better if they had actually built AJ up for this feud and not simply had him as a glorified Jobber, who got thrown into a title match ! Saw an interview with Bret Hart. He feels that Roman could be a good champion but that his booking (and the booking in general) has been god awful. I think Brets 100% right. No disrespect to you and i'm not singling you out but some y'all need to stop using jobber in the wrong context. Is it the wrong context though ? You have a hugely over guy whose also great in the ring and yet he's been losing but still ends up in a title match. For the record inthink AJ's great and arguably the best wrestler in the company today but he's fallen victim to Vince booking 101. I don't even think it's because AJ's EX TNA. He did the same to Rude when Warrior was champ. Hell he even did it to Vader when he was working with HBK. Vince just forgets that somone challenging for the Belt needs to be built up before the Champ beats them.
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Post by Blindkarevik on May 23, 2016 17:28:00 GMT -5
As much as I want to just sit back and say, "Yep, it was all AJ." And as much as I want to throw in the fact that 80% of the match was AJ bumping for Reigns' offense... I do have to say, Reigns did look great last night. But the reason why is he looked dominant, angry, and was doing everything for himself rather than to be the shining ray of hope for the people. Realistically, last night was the Roman Reigns people got behind when he was in the Shield, and last night was the first night I've seen that guy do it solo... he always has had it a bit when he's in the ring with Shield guys either as opponents or partners, but this was the first time it was just Roman Reigns, being the old Roman Reigns on his own accord.
I think AJ does deserve a ton of credit because he's AJ Freakin' Styles and he can turn anything to gold... but, also because this is the feud that can get Roman's groove back. Of course, with Rollins returning... we have to kinda see where it goes. I'm hoping WWE is smart and has Rollins go the middle-ground saying he wants to take back what he never lost, but he will do it by himself without any kind of Authority backing. However, not being a straight-up face. I hope Roman keeps a cocky demeanor, like Rollins is no longer in his league and he's almost offended that Rollins gets his shot right away instead of having to work his way back up the line. I hope they let the fans decide face and heel and they don't try to get the commentators to spin it in the direction they think it should go.
All I know is I'm glad Rollins is back, and if they keep paving this new ground... Rollins and Reigns both can be elevated to another level with this feud. But if they drop the ball, even slightly, it's crapping on what AJ/Roman have built into this title reign and is a huge disservice to both guys as they have made the post-Wrestlemania aftershock PPVs exciting watches for the first time in forever.
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Post by Shark on May 23, 2016 20:20:50 GMT -5
No disrespect to you and i'm not singling you out but some y'all need to stop using jobber in the wrong context. Is it the wrong context though ? You have a hugely over guy whose also great in the ring and yet he's been losing but still ends up in a title match. For the record inthink AJ's great and arguably the best wrestler in the company today but he's fallen victim to Vince booking 101. I don't even think it's because AJ's EX TNA. He did the same to Rude when Warrior was champ. Hell he even did it to Vader when he was working with HBK. Vince just forgets that somone challenging for the Belt needs to be built up before the Champ beats them. By my best count, AJ's TV record in WWE is 21-8. That's hardly the record of a "jobber" A jobber is someone like Heath Slater or someone who actually loses all the time.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on May 23, 2016 20:29:59 GMT -5
Sign me up. AJ was a GOD in that match. That was a terrific wrestling match. Reigns can hold his own. Amazing chemistry. It'll go down--for me--as an all-time underrated match because people are too busy riding the hate train to appreciate the scenic drive of WWE's beauty at times like these.
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Post by the2ndevil on May 24, 2016 6:29:55 GMT -5
Sign me up. AJ was a GOD in that match. That was a terrific wrestling match. Reigns can hold his own. Amazing chemistry. It'll go down--for me--as an all-time underrated match because people are too busy riding the hate train to appreciate the scenic drive of WWE's beauty at times like these. I think my favorite part of it all was despite it being an Extreme Rules match, there really wasn't much weapon involvement until Gallows/Anderson and the Usos interfered in it. But at the same time, the stuff they did was above the standard match fare.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on May 24, 2016 7:30:53 GMT -5
AJ could have a 5* match with a broom.
Roman Reigns is that broom.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 7:53:26 GMT -5
Is it the wrong context though ? You have a hugely over guy whose also great in the ring and yet he's been losing but still ends up in a title match. For the record inthink AJ's great and arguably the best wrestler in the company today but he's fallen victim to Vince booking 101. I don't even think it's because AJ's EX TNA. He did the same to Rude when Warrior was champ. Hell he even did it to Vader when he was working with HBK. Vince just forgets that somone challenging for the Belt needs to be built up before the Champ beats them. By my best count, AJ's TV record in WWE is 21-8. That's hardly the record of a "jobber" A jobber is someone like Heath Slater or someone who actually loses all the time. "Jobber" is way too strong a word, however.... Way back on the post-WM Raw I think I did say something about how Zayn, Owens and Styles were a bunch whining losers and how if they had any kinda sense the #1 Contendership should've been up for grabs between only Jericho and Lesnar. I don't expect WWE to keep track of win-loss records overall, but all those guys were coming off high-profile WM losses that happened less than 24 hours previous. I could understand someone seeing some of these people as a bunch of losers whining about a title shot that mostly belonged to the one guy (Lesnar) who just up and disappeared. But WWE likes doing that shit where they act like wins and losses don't matter until the one week on Raw when someone is in a number 1 contender's match for some reason.
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Post by 543Y2J on May 24, 2016 9:32:45 GMT -5
It takes two to tango but it can usually need one to lead, and that was AJ. He bumped around like a pinball, took the biggest spots and had the pacing of both of their ppv matches in his hands.
Yes there is no denying Reigns as a dance partner and I was impressed by his sit out Razors Edge bomb, but it was obvious that AJ did the heavy lifting and yet again proved himself as one of, if not the best of his generation.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 24, 2016 10:15:31 GMT -5
I hate that whole "Oh well its all AJ." thing. It takes two in there. Sorry but it does. I disagree, AJ was the one who made it work. This is the same man that sold a punch for Serg Salinas (Dixie's bitch) and even did a flip. AJ Styles is in another level, he's the new Harley Race of selling and having great matches with even a broom.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on May 24, 2016 10:34:25 GMT -5
AJ made that match, but I'm entirely willing to admit Reigns carried his weight in that match as well and did nothing to discredit himself.
Also on the "jobber" thing. I don't think pure jobbers really exist anymore. Wwf jobbers used to be non roster no offense local talent guys who jobbed on superstars.
Glorified jobbers or JTTS are guys in the sane time frame as these jobbers Luke koko b. Ware, Brooklyn brawler, Jim powers, Lanny poffo. Guys who only beat the jobbers, for "some" offense in on the stars but hardly ever won.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 24, 2016 16:04:34 GMT -5
I'm sorry but it's more like "AJ and anyone chemistry appreciation." I'm not going to be a fan of Reigns until he's the guy carrying others to great matches instead of the other way around. This is nonsense. I don't care how good AJ (or anyone is) is, and based on this run he's the best he's ever been, you don't just have all of the effort come from one half of a one-on-one match. This was a great match, and both guys contributed to that. I can't stand Roman at all, based on interviews with him as a person or his ring work usually, but this match killed.We should also single out the road agent for this match because it had some nice touches that were presumably written by the agent with the two of them. For example, I like that rather than being constantly 50/50, AJ got put through two straight tables by Roman before AJ got more extended revenge. That was a neat way of doing it. I also liked the subtlety of Roman, who is more consistently a brawler, taking control for most of the crowd segment before AJ got more control once they got back to the ring.
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