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Post by eJm on Feb 7, 2017 7:22:42 GMT -5
To be fair, if you're an independent wrestling company and you have the chance to book one of the most popular characters going at the moment, you're going to do it whether you like the gimmick or not. Oh, I get that, but I just think it makes them look ridiculous considering how hard they ripped into it. Here's the problem with having a wrestling promotion and a wrestling news/opinions website with it. Imagine if there was a wrestler who left the WWE in controversial circumstances. This was someone who got fired because he was verbally abusive towards colleagues, stuck up and unsafe but he was still a big star. WhatCulture have been criticizing him for various things, mostly TV wise about being an unsafe worker, but also mentioning alleged news about his backstage behavior. Then after his 90 days goes up, he shows an interest in going to WCPW and a deal is put together. He signs and debuts on the next big show. During this time, he's still got an attitude throughout these bookings and even misses some because he can and is accused of taking money from them without going to the show. If you were WhatCulture, you'd want to mention them because they're news stories your audience would want to know but if you do, you might make the guy angry and as a result, he no shows YOUR bookings, potentially pissing off your audience and losing you money. So the easier answer is to not mention them at all and let the other people have their pick of the story, hoping that people don't mention the fact you aren't covering that story when you have before. I mean, they have subtly done things like that before to kiss up to people coming in. Jay Lethal being ranked the best ROH Champion of all time on a list last year comes to mind just before Lethal debuted in WCPW is one and not mentioning Del Rio's no showing of another promotion is another. The Hardy thing just comes as this and it doesn't destroy their credibility as much as it makes them seem more like opportunistic and not really caring about whether it hurts them or not as long as they can still be seen as rebels against the WWE. Hell, they seem to have something with TNA with using some of their talent even though they apparently don't watch the show. All of this might seem like an exaggeration and it won't be to the extent of other media matters but think about it like the stuff with YouTubers and streamers who get copies of big games before the games press because they're big fans. Sure, you're doing something that's promoted by fans instead of grumpy, jaded veterans, as some would call them, but they don't have the experience in not letting themselves turn into fanboys and have the awareness needed to balance both sides together. |
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Post by eJm on Feb 9, 2017 6:02:55 GMT -5
The latest English competitor for the WCPW World Cup? Magnus.
As great as it for Magnus to get a shot on a bigger stage than the non existent GFW one, I am now 99% convinced, especially with Jarrett coming back, that WCPW has some kind of deal with Anthem they're not telling anyone about.
It explains the softening on their stance on TNA in the last few months after basically treating them as a non-entity for a while.
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Post by lionelp on Feb 12, 2017 13:48:36 GMT -5
Anyone watching this live?
I'm Watching without sound/comms at the moment, OSP and Ricochet up first, so much flippy fun.
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Post by lionelp on Feb 12, 2017 13:56:15 GMT -5
The top rope snapped during the double handstand sequence, but I have no idea if it was a work or not.
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Post by lionelp on Feb 12, 2017 16:34:56 GMT -5
Really enjoyable show
Ospreay v Ricochet was to the same standard it always is, although this time the top rope snapped during the handstand sequence, they improvised well and if anything it made the match stand out from their others.
Primate v Rampage was brutally fun
Tag ladder match was great, a bit choppy and disjointed in places I thought, but some great spots, including the finish.
Hendry v Gallagher was a good match with a bit of an anticlimatic finish, but it would all come together by the end of the night.
Angle v Del Rio was done well, with a great finish. Angle can still go, I'd love to see him get that one farewell match in WWE, and I think he'll get it.
I love JR but he really needs to call it quits, him and Striker didn't really work for me at this event.
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Post by eJm on Feb 12, 2017 18:57:54 GMT -5
So I just saw the results of the show and... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}They...they turned Hendry heel.
Instead of just giving the guy the belt and pushing him as their big face star, they give the belt to Conners, conclude that feud without the belt, lose several times to a dude that doesn't need the belt at all and then low blow a guy who JUST HAD HIS LAST MATCH FOR YOUR COMPANY!
Like...just...this was a surefire thing. How do you talk about promotions that mess up surefire things and do the exact thing yourself?
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Post by Viking Hall on Feb 12, 2017 19:46:06 GMT -5
Made a last minute decision to attend tonight as I was vaguely local and there were tickets available. Pretty enjoyable show to be honest, Ricochet and Ospreay did really well considering the circumstances, the ladder match had some great spots and Alberto vs Angle was just pure emotion. Was absolutely gutted that Pentagon didn't show, I have tickets for the Kris Travis Memorial at the end of the month so I'm hoping he does still appear there as I presume he was touring over here. Drago vs El Hijo de Dos Caras was all over the place which added to the disappointment of the Pentagon no show but could perhaps be let off as I assume it was a very last minute convienience booking.
Oh, and for anyone who was interested Paige was very much in attendance. She appeared just above where we were stood during Drago/Dos Caras and then again for the Women's Match and even went as far as shouting that she would accept the open challenge during the promo. She then made her way down to the front row for Alberto vs Angle and will have presumably appeared onscreen as I'm pretty sure she interacted with Alberto during the match. So how that will go down with those who are signing her cheques I'm not sure. But, a fun night all in all and entertaining throughout.
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Post by eJm on Feb 15, 2017 17:24:08 GMT -5
Hey look! They put their really stupid booking decision on YouTube FOR FREE!
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Post by 魔界5号 on Feb 15, 2017 18:51:46 GMT -5
Well, they just released a video titled "Bullet Club are coming". The only new people are The Young Bucks since Cody and Adam Cole have both appeared in WCPW before (so what was the point in even including them in the announcement?). That "Why The Young Bucks Changed Wrestling" video makes an awful lot of sense now.  |
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Post by eJm on Feb 16, 2017 3:03:28 GMT -5
Well, they just released a video titled "Bullet Club are coming". The only new people are The Young Bucks since Cody and Adam Cole have both appeared in WCPW before (so what was the point in even including them in the announcement?). That "Why The Young Bucks Changed Wrestling" video makes an awful lot of sense now. To be fair, it's not like the Young Bucks haven't changed the game in several ways especially independent wise. They are genuinely the only people who could right now reject the WWE several times because, well, they don't need the money. Right now, they are in such ridiculously high demand that going to a more concrete schedule just has no benefit to them. It was only a matter of time before a promotion like WCPW got them on board. But again, as I mentioned, it is beneficial to be cynical about these things because, well, it could have been seen as them kissing up to them to accept a booking which, again, is the problem of having a website entity and a wrestling promotion in the same company. |
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Post by Hurbster on Feb 18, 2017 16:48:47 GMT -5
Hendry is a heel in on of the other UK promotions ?
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Post by Ricky Nightshade on Feb 20, 2017 17:06:10 GMT -5
I'm loving these crazy Ospreay vids.
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Post by eJm on Feb 21, 2017 4:59:47 GMT -5
So being fair on it, I watched Hendry's explainatipn on his heel turn to see what WCPW came up with.
It was as dumb as I expected.
Joe Hendry is the Monty Brown of WCPW.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Feb 24, 2017 0:18:36 GMT -5
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Post by Hurbster on Mar 6, 2017 17:12:58 GMT -5
Just watched Exit Wounds, very nice indeed.
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Post by corndog on Mar 9, 2017 21:58:34 GMT -5
Obviously WCPW is going to under fire for booking decisions since they constantly attack WWE. Although at least they are able to get making Alberto a face right, unlike TNA and I like heel Ospreay. But from a business standpoint, they are making some good moves with their alliances, now adding Lucha Underground and RevPro. RevPro being somewhat surprising, since they were named as a contributor to the WWE UK tournament, despite not having Andy Quildan show unlike ICW and Progress owners. Clearly they are not going to continue to ally themselves with the WWE, although New Japan probably had something to say about it.
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Post by eJm on Mar 10, 2017 9:48:04 GMT -5
Obviously WCPW is going to under fire for booking decisions since they constantly attack WWE. Although at least they are able to get making Alberto a face right, unlike TNA and I like heel Ospreay. But from a business standpoint, they are making some good moves with their alliances, now adding Lucha Underground and RevPro. RevPro being somewhat surprising, since they were named as a contributor to the WWE UK tournament, despite not having Andy Quildan show unlike ICW and Progress owners. Clearly they are not going to continue to ally themselves with the WWE, although New Japan probably had something to say about it. I mean, it's great they're forming this bond but it's the least they could do considering they booked a show the day before their London Global Wars show with New Japan in November. Also, and I don't mean to make every post of mine in this thread slagging off WCPW but...The Prestige is basically a stable of WCPW "originals" going against the former WWE guys, isn't it? Edit: Fully watching the segments...Hey Indie Feds, can we all band up and get rid of the "We're the originals and the other people who aren't from the fed originally are low lifes" gimmick, please? Because it makes zero sense in the context of anything. Along with that, Blampied being GM made me sigh. |
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Post by Hurbster on Mar 10, 2017 20:20:11 GMT -5
I was wondering if Jack the Jobber kicked your cat or something as the majority of your posts have been highly critical.
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Post by eJm on Mar 10, 2017 20:47:56 GMT -5
I was wondering if Jack the Jobber kicked your cat or something as the majority of your posts have been highly critical. Honestly, I watched the first few shows and enjoyed them. There were things to improve on, sure, but they built a hell of a roster, showcased some great talent and were setting up some interesting stuff. My issues come from the fact that, rather than forming their own directions with the talent, it felt sometimes like the company didn't know whether it wanted to be the UK's PWG or the UK's answer to the Attitude Era. Matches would happen mostly to get big names on "TV" which is fine until you know that some of those guys aren't going to be a part of most of the shows for one reason or another. Like, I love Zack Sabre Jr. as a worker. But he's not going to get a title shot or be in the same substantial storyline a El Patron is in for various reasons so he's just wrestling dudes to have talked about matches where it's not even a guarantee those will have a good payoff like for example Travis Banks, who turned heel recently because "Boo hoo, my company has enough money to get international talent, Boo hoo". Then there's the aping of the backstage camera angles where the camera doesn't exist, something WhatCulture criticised in the past, to heel authority figures (Pacitti), the undervaluing of home grown stars (Joe Hendry, who also turned heel because "Boo hoo international stars") and finishes that don't really make much sense (Hendry/Galloway from Glasgow). I can absolutely appreciate how hard it must be for them to get a promotion together and arrange everything and I highly respect that. The fact they're making money is awesome and good for them and potentially the UK scene if they don't try and get too big too fast. But there are so many odd things they're doing that make it seem like they'd rather follow the "We're trying to be like WWE somewhat" playbook instead of crafting something of their own and putting their money where their other booking rants have gone. Also, it's 2017. If you book the promotion, you shouldn't put yourself in the product in any way. I don't care if you've wondered how it was like to take Joe Hendry's finisher, get away from the camera. |
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Mar 11, 2017 1:33:43 GMT -5
They could always steal from WWE and have Blampied as a Jack Tunney-style GM. It would actually be pretty cool to see and would de-emphasize the overused Authority character.
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