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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 16:59:38 GMT -5
If they actually do this, I'll so be rooting for Mickey Gall.
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Post by corndog on Jun 23, 2016 17:31:31 GMT -5
Honestly, I know it's been a long time coming and he's getting a bit of special treatment, but CM Punk is a f***ing badass for even giving this a shot. I hope he somehow manages to pull it out. "A bit". He's only in the UFC at all because of special treatment. He's not a "badass", Dana's been holding his hand the entire way. I agree, if he wasn't a former top WWE guy with a lot of money potential, no way he gets this shot. Also, the shot is against a guy with 1 professional fight that was specifically brought in to give Punk the easiest opponent reasonably possible. A badass was Brock Lesnar, whose first UFC was against Frank Mir. Even though he lost the first time, Mir was one of the best heavyweights in that period. Hell, even now, he could easily come back against a lower end guy and draw money, but he is fighting Mark Hunt, who is ranked #8 in the division and has a very good and powerful striking ability, something Lesnar has struggled against. Infact, it's a bad match up for Lesnar. But Lesnar likes a challenge and never needed Dana to hold his hand and give him all the freaking time in the world to get ready for a fight. Heck, Lesnar took the fight on less than two months notice.
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Post by Raskovnik on Jun 23, 2016 17:54:28 GMT -5
Nate Diaz's stance on Punk in UFC is fairly congruent with my own, especially considering just how big of a hypocrite this makes Punk with all his anti part-timer talk. Waltzing in without so much as an amateur record, and no pedigree (other than the ones he's eaten from Triple H) to speak of, and receiving a big money, marquee match while most of the guys are struggling to even get on the main card and are fighting for peanuts. If Punk was the kind of man he portrays himself as he would have done some fights and built up some kind of record. Even Brock Lesnar went to K-1/Hero's even if it was for just one fight, though he still had actual amateur credentials he could point to. I'm not angry about it, and of course I'll watch, because I watch most UFC events regardless, nor am I saying I blame Punk for taking this deal because win or lose he's getting paid $$$$$$$ without having to slum it up anywhere else (I'd almost assuredly do the same thing) but the hypocrisy is a bit silly. At least Batista had the grace to go fight a fat can in a promotion appropriate for his skill level just to prove to himself he could do it, yet another reason Big Dave is where it's at.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 23, 2016 18:26:15 GMT -5
Nate Diaz's stance on Punk in UFC is fairly congruent with my own, especially considering just how big of a hypocrite this makes Punk with all his anti part-timer talk. Waltzing in without so much as an amateur record, and no pedigree (other than the ones he's eaten from Triple H) to speak of, and receiving a big money, marquee match while most of the guys are struggling to even get on the main card and are fighting for peanuts. If Punk was the kind of man he portrays himself as he would have done some fights and built up some kind of record. Even Brock Lesnar went to K-1/Hero's even if it was for just one fight, though he still had actual amateur credentials he could point to. I'm not angry about it, and of course I'll watch, because I watch most UFC events regardless, nor am I saying I blame Punk for taking this deal because win or lose he's getting paid $$$$$$$ without having to slum it up anywhere else (I'd almost assuredly do the same thing) but the hypocrisy is a bit silly. At least Batista had the grace to go fight a fat can in a promotion appropriate for his skill level just to prove to himself he could do it, yet another reason Big Dave is where it's at. Which is why I never put a lot of stock in guys complaining about Part timers coming and "taking their spot." At least in wrestling those part timers were hall of famers in the rocks case or remembered for something that was great. At the end of the day Punk and the guys who also complained will eventually be those part timers coming back for some extra shine or paycheck. There's nothing wrong with making money but in Punks case when you get on a high horse and scream about this and that and then u do this negates your argument a bit. Had has a lot of guts for attempting this but hopefully UFC or Punk doesn't treat it like it's not a freakshow because it def is. If Punk losses than whatever draw he has is gone. If he wins then he gets to rub it in people faces.
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Post by Hanzo on Jun 23, 2016 18:38:24 GMT -5
At least Batista had the grace to go fight a fat can in a promotion appropriate for his skill level just to prove to himself he could do it, yet another reason Big Dave is where it's at. GIMME MAH SPOTLIGHT!Heel Batista was great. I remember when he came out with a bunch of security guards and Cena questioned him on it and Batista said "Oh, they're not here to protect me from you. They're here to protect you from me!"
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 23, 2016 18:40:30 GMT -5
At least Batista had the grace to go fight a fat can in a promotion appropriate for his skill level just to prove to himself he could do it, yet another reason Big Dave is where it's at. GIMME MAH SPOTLIGHT!Heel Batista was great. I remember when he came out with a bunch of security guards and Cena questioned him on it and Batista said "Oh, they're not here to protect me from you. They're here to protect you from me!" "You see John it's a fact when we are in the ring together bad things happen to you."
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 24, 2016 11:20:59 GMT -5
Honestly, I know it's been a long time coming and he's getting a bit of special treatment, but CM Punk is a f***ing badass for even giving this a shot. I hope he somehow manages to pull it out. "A bit". He's only in the UFC at all because of special treatment. He's not a "badass", Dana's been holding his hand the entire way. They're throwing him in there with a fighter that is clearly superior - they're not throwing a can at him. I get that he's in the UFC because of his name alone, but by all accounts he's putting in the work. Is he going to lose? maybe, but I don't think it's fair to categorize it as a complete walk in the park for Punk.
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Post by corndog on Jun 24, 2016 17:49:51 GMT -5
Nate Diaz's stance on Punk in UFC is fairly congruent with my own, especially considering just how big of a hypocrite this makes Punk with all his anti part-timer talk. Waltzing in without so much as an amateur record, and no pedigree (other than the ones he's eaten from Triple H) to speak of, and receiving a big money, marquee match while most of the guys are struggling to even get on the main card and are fighting for peanuts. If Punk was the kind of man he portrays himself as he would have done some fights and built up some kind of record. Even Brock Lesnar went to K-1/Hero's even if it was for just one fight, though he still had actual amateur credentials he could point to. I'm not angry about it, and of course I'll watch, because I watch most UFC events regardless, nor am I saying I blame Punk for taking this deal because win or lose he's getting paid $$$$$$$ without having to slum it up anywhere else (I'd almost assuredly do the same thing) but the hypocrisy is a bit silly. At least Batista had the grace to go fight a fat can in a promotion appropriate for his skill level just to prove to himself he could do it, yet another reason Big Dave is where it's at. Yep, he's a massive hypocrite for this. If he actually respected the sport at all, he would have fought at lower levels first and then came to UFC(even if he wouldn't be working as hard as the others, the other fighters would respect him more for this). But let's face it, it's all about money. He's going to make a lot of money off of this, UFC will too. Sort of like..... part timers like the Rock coming back for Wrestlemania. Yeah, he's taking a spot from a much more deserving fighter in the main card of a ppv, and so is Gall. But damn Bautista for not coming back to job out on Superstars. Personally, I hope he doesn't just lose, but he gets his ass whooped. He deserves it not just for this, but for being a douche to wrestling fans, hitting that guy in the crowd for no reason(oh wait he touched him on accident and the guy should have sued the f*** out of him) and crying about being a top guy in wrestling. In reality, there isn't much to like about CM Punk. He's a guy that has done it all and doesn't appreciate it.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Jul 9, 2016 22:09:39 GMT -5
if it happens, he will fight in the same arena he walked out of (his last Raw) I've also just noticed that the venue for UFC 203 was also the site of Unforgiven 2008, and what happened that night? CM Punk was taken out before the Championship Scramble match and wasn't able to compete. What odds on this happening again in the same arena?
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Post by xCompackx on Jul 9, 2016 23:29:17 GMT -5
Realistically, what would a loss or win mean for Punk/UFC? Most people are already expecting him to lose, and plenty of people (myself included, frankly) are expecting him to end up back in WWE at some point, so does it matter how he fares against Gall in terms of proving that he's up for this?
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Post by Captain & Diet on Jul 9, 2016 23:50:14 GMT -5
A loss means he replaces Joe Rogan and that's fine with me.
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Post by No One on Jul 10, 2016 0:05:02 GMT -5
Watching Gall lay on top of Punk for three rounds should be a real hoot. Hopefully there will be some punches and kicks thrown.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jul 10, 2016 0:08:47 GMT -5
Watching Gall lay on top of Punk for three rounds should be a real hoot. Hopefully there will be some punches and kicks thrown. Idk it doesn't look like Gall is that kind of a fighter. I'm thinking he gets a round one win unless Punk surprises, which is more possible than many would argue. Despite everything I still hope this effort is a fruitful one for Punk.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jul 10, 2016 0:18:07 GMT -5
This has been my call from day 1, Gall takes him down, gets close to a limb or his neck, and Punk panic taps before any real submission is even latched on.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jul 10, 2016 6:07:31 GMT -5
This has been my call from day 1, Gall takes him down, gets close to a limb or his neck, and Punk panic taps before any real submission is even latched on. He's going full Sage Northcutt?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 10, 2016 6:10:23 GMT -5
With how weird MMA has been in the last year or so, watch Punk win due to some fluke and half of the UFC's fans chew their own tongues off in protest.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jul 10, 2016 12:52:18 GMT -5
This has been my call from day 1, Gall takes him down, gets close to a limb or his neck, and Punk panic taps before any real submission is even latched on. He's going full Sage Northcutt? He'll make Sage look like a downright savage in comparison for hanging on so long. And Sage redeemed himself last night for not tapping when his arm was appearing to be ripped off. That was fxxxing nuts!
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jul 10, 2016 14:18:40 GMT -5
Well, Brock just set a high bar for Punk. He came in on fairly short notice after a long layoff, and beat not just a good fighter, but a pretty solid contender whose a known knockout artist. Punk's coming in with two years of training and notice, against a young guy in only his 3rd professional fight, with much hype and ballyhoo behind him.....good luck.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 10, 2016 14:31:12 GMT -5
With how weird MMA has been in the last year or so, watch Punk win due to some fluke and half of the UFC's fans chew their own tongues off in protest. I can't see that happening, hell I admit Brock made me eat my words but Punk's case is different. It was made known that his trainer, Duke Roufus, would only let him fight if he was truly ready...that was more than two years ago. Also I never said that Brock didn't had it, just that the diverticulitis and his time off made cautious. But there was no question about Brock's credentials. Punk on the other hand, well let's say that if he wins, he'll make a guy crazy f***ing rich in Vegas. I seriously can't see how he would beat Gail, whereas the mma purists and reporters thought that Brock had a shot if he could get Hunt to the ground. I don't think there's a way for punk to win. I don't see how a 40 year old gets turn into a killer in just two years against a guy half his age with knockout power and a good ground game (Gail's bjj coach is Renzo Gracie as in The Renzo Gracie same guy who trained Frankie Edgar and Chris Weidman)
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Jul 10, 2016 14:36:44 GMT -5
Punk is no Brock. Brock is a beast. I expect Punk to get knocked out if the stories of his multiple losses in training are true. I don't have much interest in seeing Punk fight to be honest. I'll watch it but I don't think it will be that exciting. Watching Brock is exciting because he hits like a truck. It reminds me of watching Mike Tyson fight when I was a kid.
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