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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 23, 2017 14:42:04 GMT -5
I will admit that OKC's bench is rather bad. Patrick Patterson, Raymond Felton, Jerami Grant, and Alex Abrines are the top bench guys. Yikes. Monta Ellis, Derrick Williams, Jared Sullinger, and Terrence Jones are guys that are still free agents that OKC should take a look at
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Sept 23, 2017 14:44:42 GMT -5
I will admit that OKC's bench is rather bad. Patrick Patterson, Raymond Felton, Jerami Grant, and Alex Abrines are the top bench guys. Yikes. They still have Steven Adams while that obviously isn't enough for a bench. He was giving Golden State headaches in the middle. I am hoping their bench matures and improves as well.
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Post by GreyScaleLJH on Sept 23, 2017 14:50:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't say No to Monta Ellis or Derrick Williams. Hell, I would accept David Lee. Yes, I said that.
EDIT: Apparently Trey Burke will get the final roster spot. Meh.
EDIT AGAIN: Ok, maybe not.
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Post by sfvega on Sept 23, 2017 16:10:41 GMT -5
Perhaps you're right with your statement. I am just looking at it from an offensive perspective because providing they gel immediately they're the only ones to truly dethrone Golden State. Melo is still a liability on defense though. In my opinion they still don't have enough spacing to match Golden State fire power. While you have Westbrook, Melo, and George on the court you still have Robertson and Adams who are non factors offensively on the court so teams will force them to make shots. You are not going to win any games with each of those guys getting 20 shots a game while the role players get 5 or less OKC strength was the fact they had 2 Centers so while they lose that big advantage, they do gain a little scoring. Someone is going to have to play the "Klay Thompson role" in regards to playing defense while possibly not getting a great amount of shots a game and that seems to be Paul George at the moment. I don't know if I'd call it an advantage. Kanter never really blossomed like they'd hoped. He was supposed to be a monster with Russ on the P&R and were only slightly above average. Adams was by far the superior center, and they still have him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 23, 2017 16:22:01 GMT -5
In my opinion they still don't have enough spacing to match Golden State fire power. While you have Westbrook, Melo, and George on the court you still have Robertson and Adams who are non factors offensively on the court so teams will force them to make shots. You are not going to win any games with each of those guys getting 20 shots a game while the role players get 5 or less OKC strength was the fact they had 2 Centers so while they lose that big advantage, they do gain a little scoring. Someone is going to have to play the "Klay Thompson role" in regards to playing defense while possibly not getting a great amount of shots a game and that seems to be Paul George at the moment. I don't know if I'd call it an advantage. Kanter never really blossomed like they'd hoped. He was supposed to be a monster with Russ on the P&R and were only slightly above average. Adams was by far the superior center, and they still have him. "Advantage" in regards to size
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Sept 23, 2017 16:34:17 GMT -5
This doesn't make OKC much better. Honestly if I have offensive weapons like Westbrook and George I want them taking the lions share of the shots. Not old 42% field goal percentage Melo.
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Post by Crimson on Sept 23, 2017 18:06:55 GMT -5
So with Melo now off the table, I wonder if Houson switches gears to trying to recruit Wade via Buyout from the Bulls?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 23, 2017 18:21:04 GMT -5
So with Melo now off the table, I wonder if Houson switches gears to trying to recruit Wade via Buyout from the Bulls? OKC, MIA, HOU, and CAVS will be recruiting him heavy once the buyout happens
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 23, 2017 18:27:05 GMT -5
This doesn't make OKC much better. Honestly if I have offensive weapons like Westbrook and George I want them taking the lions share of the shots. Not old 42% field goal percentage Melo. In fairness Carmelo Anthony is a career 45% shooter from the field and 35% from 3 while Westbrook is 43% and 31% respectively
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 23, 2017 22:04:40 GMT -5
Knick Melo is different from, say, Team USA Melo, who plays very well off the ball. And i'd imagine that, since Melo wanted a trade to Houston, he wasn't planning on going somewhere where he was going to be the black hole of ball possession like he was in New York. This basically gives them three shooting options, one of whom is a good defender as well. Their big 3 isn't as complete as GS's Big 4, but they do become a force.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 23:01:06 GMT -5
I'm so happy Melo is gone. SO happy!
I actually think he'll do pretty well in OKC, though. There will be less pressure on him. They might not be the top team, but they'll definitely be winning more than the Knicks, so I'm sure he'll be OK with playing nice with Westbrook and George. I think it's a pretty decent fit for him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 23, 2017 23:06:21 GMT -5
I'm so happy Melo is gone. SO happy! I actually think he'll do pretty well in OKC, though. There will be less pressure on him. They might not be the top team, but they'll definitely be winning more than the Knicks, so I'm sure he'll be OK with playing nice with Westbrook and George. I think it's a pretty decent fit for him. It's by far the best pair of teammates he's had in his NBA career Carmelo never really had a player that was close to his caliber on his team sans Porzingis who is still a young player with a lot of potential
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 23, 2017 23:16:39 GMT -5
The thing I kinda like about the Melo trade is since he's got two years left on his deal, counting this season, if Russ and George bolt in the offseason, the Thunder aren't left as a completely garbage team. They'll still have an All-Star caliber player, granted one heading into the twilight years of his career, to build something around. Hell, Presti can even turn him into a package to help the Thunder rebuild if they need to hit the emergency button. Toss him back to the East for a pick and a young promising talent. Hell, knowing Presti, he'd probably somehow get a first round pick, a promising young prospect, and an established veteran for Melo.
The dude just spent the offseason turning Victor Oladipo, Domantas Sabonis, Enes Kanter, Doug McBuckets, and a second round pick into at least a rental of Paul George and Carmelo Anthony. Do not underestimate his abilities.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 24, 2017 0:11:46 GMT -5
The thing I kinda like about the Melo trade is since he's got two years left on his deal, counting this season, if Russ and George bolt in the offseason, the Thunder aren't left as a completely garbage team. They'll still have an All-Star caliber player, granted one heading into the twilight years of his career, to build something around. Hell, Presti can even turn him into a package to help the Thunder rebuild if they need to hit the emergency button. Toss him back to the East for a pick and a young promising talent. Hell, knowing Presti, he'd probably somehow get a first round pick, a promising young prospect, and an established veteran for Melo. The dude just spent the offseason turning Victor Oladipo, Domantas Sabonis, Enes Kanter, Doug McBuckets, and a second round pick into at least a rental of Paul George and Carmelo Anthony. Do not underestimate his abilities. Melo has 2 years left but I believe it is a player option going into next year
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Post by GreyScaleLJH on Sept 24, 2017 21:10:40 GMT -5
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Post by sfvega on Sept 24, 2017 23:50:27 GMT -5
I can't see Wade's defense being something Pop wants. I still got him going back to Miami. They neex scoring. Houston wants him, but they're already well over the cap and would have to move salary to bring him in. And nobody wants their bad salaries. Gordon is a better fit anyway with his shooting. I think it comes down to OKC and Miami and while I think it would be more interesting if he ended up in OKC I think he'll be back in Miami where beating out Waiters will be easy enough.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 25, 2017 0:13:58 GMT -5
I can't see Wade's defense being something Pop wants. I still got him going back to Miami. They neex scoring. Houston wants him, but they're already well over the cap and would have to move salary to bring him in. And nobody wants their bad salaries. Gordon is a better fit anyway with his shooting. I think it comes down to OKC and Miami and while I think it would be more interesting if he ended up in OKC I think he'll be back in Miami where beating out Waiters will be easy enough. Cavs is still a dark horse tho I can see them moving Shump since he's on the last year of his contract and giving Wade the veteran minimum since that's all he can be offered for any of the teams mentioned. If OKC can get Wade that will change my perception of them in regards to having a floor general that can play with the starters or come off the bench
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Post by sfvega on Sept 25, 2017 3:23:11 GMT -5
I can't see Wade's defense being something Pop wants. I still got him going back to Miami. They neex scoring. Houston wants him, but they're already well over the cap and would have to move salary to bring him in. And nobody wants their bad salaries. Gordon is a better fit anyway with his shooting. I think it comes down to OKC and Miami and while I think it would be more interesting if he ended up in OKC I think he'll be back in Miami where beating out Waiters will be easy enough. Cavs is still a dark horse tho I can see them moving Shump since he's on the last year of his contract and giving Wade the veteran minimum since that's all he can be offered for any of the teams mentioned. If OKC can get Wade that will change my perception of them in regards to having a floor general that can play with the starters or come off the bench Cavs are a dark horse. With IT out a while to start the year (idk if confirmed or just heavily implied), that opens the door for Wade's usage. Then when IT comes in fresh, you can rest Wade more. But on salary: Miami can offer him more money with their remaining MLE.
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Post by Renslayer on Sept 25, 2017 11:54:58 GMT -5
Isaiah Thomas won't make his Cavs debut until January. D-Rose will run the point for the time being. On a related note, they're gonna have to figure out how to be somewhat competent when Bron sits. It's a perfect opportunity for them to treat Kevin Love like he's back in Minnesota
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Post by Cyno on Sept 25, 2017 12:17:10 GMT -5
I'm glad Melo is gone if only for his own sake. I liked him here a lot more than others, but Phil Jackson poisoned his relationship with the team and you can tell he was miserable on the team the past couple of years.
I think he'll be a lot better in OKC if only because he finally has teammates on his or past his level as opposed to being expected to carry a team by himself. I don't bear him any ill will and since I'm expecting the Knicks to suck again this season I'll be rooting for all the best for him on OKC.
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