thecrusherwi
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jul 2, 2016 22:55:44 GMT -5
Seemingly the Brand Split given the excitement people have for the new one. The Brand Split was largely hated in its time.
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Powerline
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Post by Powerline on Jul 3, 2016 1:26:06 GMT -5
I mentioned it in the other thread, but the tail end of Undertaker's biker gimmick where he was Deadman Inc. and all about "respect" was damn good. I remember HATING that heel run at the time, but now in retrospect it was great. I think something like that would be great for Cena/Roman if they ever wanted to pull the trigger on a heel turn or at least roll with the boos past just a couple lines of dialogue in an otherwise babyface promo. I think many of us see heels from the past with a brighter light than we once did, but one I still don't think gets enough credit is Rick Martel. He was GOLD as The Model in the ring and on the mic. His promos, both in the writing and delivery were amazing. He knocked that gimmick out of the park, and if it wasn't for the general hokeyness of the gimmick, it'd have been worth a world title run easily. People hated him (in kayfabe), he had a great feud with Jake Roberts (I know, a spaghetti noodle could have a great feud with Jake Roberts, but still), he had the longest time spent in the Royal Rumble by a longshot in 91 and would have held it MUCH longer had it not been for Flair in 92 and Backlund in 93. I think people now look back on Sid a lot more favourably than they did at the time. When they tried to make him the next "guy" to take over Hogan's spot, no. When they LET him be the big frankenstein "not bright but will beat the shit out of the entirety of the planet Earth" guy he was in the mid/late 90s, GOD yes. Sycho Sid was SO DAMN good. Again with the "look to the past to build the future" thing, if you wanna make Bray Wyatt look like a true monster by the time he's feuding for the WWE title, go back and look not so much on Sid's promos, but how he was booked and what the character did. Bray Wyatt looks like he is into some voodoo stuff and would get into your head psychologically, but Sid at that time made you legit think "this is a guy that is just fine with literally murdering someone in the ring". And that would be the push Bray would need, IMO, to truly seem like a threat to the title and like a threatening champion when he gets it. New Generation. Maybe the biggest down period for the company, financially, but Bret, Shawn, Owen, Bulldog, 123 Kid etc etc, all had some amazing matches. Watching that period back, the match quality was awesome. WM 10 is one of my faves if for nothing but Owen/Bret and HBK/Razor. Agreed completely. Shit on the lame gimmicks all day if you want, but the roster was just STACKED with in-ring ability that if you went to a show at that time you were guaranteed to see at least 1 great match, assuming they didn't pair the best talents with total slouches.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 1:28:27 GMT -5
Honestly, even the worst unscripted promos of the '80s and early '90s are an unbelievable breath of fresh air compared to anything from the last 15 years.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 3, 2016 7:44:29 GMT -5
Bossman's "worst person ever" gimmick got go-away heat when he was doing it but now everyone looks back at it like the OTT grimdark black comedy that it was.
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Psychoblue
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Post by Psychoblue on Jul 3, 2016 7:56:17 GMT -5
Crush was hella athletic and quite over as a face before siding with Mr. Fuji. Anyone who said he sucked wasn't watching closely enough.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 4, 2016 10:19:23 GMT -5
Honestly, even the worst unscripted promos of the '80s and early '90s are an unbelievable breath of fresh air compared to anything from the last 15 years. You have a point. It at least felt REAL even if it was ridiculous.
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legendkiller1985
Don Corleone
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Post by legendkiller1985 on Jul 4, 2016 10:34:54 GMT -5
Vader
He served his purpose as being the bully who beat up people for no reason. Was the only real threat to Shawn Michaels during his title run.
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Powerline
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Post by Powerline on Jul 4, 2016 10:58:09 GMT -5
Vader He served his purpose as being the bully who beat up people for no reason. Was the only real threat to Shawn Michaels during his title run. And that's only if you recall his WWF run (which to be fair, IS the title of the thread). And it would have been a hell of a lot better had Shawn not been so shitty about working with him, and if Vince had more respect for his legacy than "just a kinda-known big guy". I know Jim Cornette ain't always on the up and up with what he says, but his stories on Vince and Vader's interactions are so "...holy shit, did he REALLY not know what he had?!?!?" ridiculous.
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legendkiller1985
Don Corleone
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Post by legendkiller1985 on Jul 4, 2016 13:20:15 GMT -5
Vader He served his purpose as being the bully who beat up people for no reason. Was the only real threat to Shawn Michaels during his title run. And that's only if you recall his WWF run (which to be fair, IS the title of the thread). And it would have been a hell of a lot better had Shawn not been so shitty about working with him, and if Vince had more respect for his legacy than "just a kinda-known big guy". I know Jim Cornette ain't always on the up and up with what he says, but his stories on Vince and Vader's interactions are so "...holy shit, did he REALLY not know what he had?!?!?" ridiculous. I caught a lot of his WCW run thanks to the network and became a fan of his
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 4, 2016 13:51:04 GMT -5
Bossman's "worst person ever" gimmick got go-away heat when he was doing it but now everyone looks back at it like the OTT grimdark black comedy that it was. I think the problem the Bossman gimmick had is that they actually gave him a serious push for a title match during that idiocy. When he was messing around with Al Snow and the Pepper feud it was amusing midcard heel nonsense. Put that character in a title feud with an unover Big Show and it felt like something that could have let WCW back into the ratings war had the Russo experiment not bombed so spectacularly. Incidentally who booked that Bossman stuff? His heel antics kind of bridged the Russo and Kreski booking eras.
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