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Post by canal on Jul 14, 2016 10:40:23 GMT -5
I liked the majority of it, the winners hand being raised seemed stupid though. They get the pin, the music plays... they celebrate then the ref brings them together and the music stops, they announce the winner and the music starts again... The only time i've ever liked that is for a decision finish in MMA where there's suspense. I wonder if they'll do a time limit finish and announce a winner by decision at some point That's the only reason I could see for doing it that way. They'd need to establish judges etc. to do that though.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Jul 14, 2016 10:47:25 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 14, 2016 10:49:31 GMT -5
I liked the majority of it, the winners hand being raised seemed stupid though. They get the pin, the music plays... they celebrate then the ref brings them together and the music stops, they announce the winner and the music starts again... The only time i've ever liked that is for a decision finish in MMA where there's suspense. I wonder if they'll do a time limit finish and announce a winner by decision at some point That's the only reason I could see for doing it that way. They'd need to establish judges etc. to do that though. It's to continue the overall real fight feel with it. they do it in Boxing and MMA even after the guy has the flat out knockout or submission victory too. Edit: Really good set of shows tonight... Shinsuke and Finn was awesome. and I can't wait for more of the CWC.
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Post by Psy on Jul 14, 2016 11:27:36 GMT -5
I think the winner announcements are largely to reinforce the names of those going over in the fans' minds because we've not all been exposed to these fellas (how much do they weigh? Oh yeah, Cruiserweights) and it ends their match with us knowing the names of those involved. Well, the winner anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 11:31:37 GMT -5
Shinsuke/Balor couldn't overcome my cynicism of Balor. His character continues to not do anything for me, his promos are so wooden, he talks about how him and Shinsuke are personal friends, they include photographic evidence and everything and I'm still just not inclined to buy into it. His matches don't stick out as particularly great to me so building this as some dream match wasn't working, I'm pretty glad he's getting phased out of NXT. His whole title reign has been just there for me. I don't really accept him as the backbone of NXT the way that Sami Zayn or Neville was before him. The CWC rules. Every passion project WWE does is better than WWE, it's so weird how they have this in them but they don't utilize it where it counts. The cool superhero-like presentation, enthusiastic, knowledgeable commentary, treating the wrestlers like bonafide stars whether they're veterans or not. Where is this focus on the main show? So strange to me. Mauro and Daniel made everyone sound so impressive. A botched dive? Explained as taking a risk against one of the best in the world. You think Ibushi is definitely going to win? Daniel explains his injuries and how they are affecting him during the match to help make the outcome more in doubt. They also discussed the impacts of weight cutting, jet lag, and how each style matches up against the other. I am so high on everyone after this show. Daivari deserves a big mention. He had a great presence and looks like he can do it all in the ring. I hope there are good things in his future despite the loss. I know people moan about the Raw commentary all the time but it is actually STAGGERING how much better Mauro and D Bry are. Totally unforced, natural sounding commentators who ADD to the match instead of making you groan or want to turn off. Considering this is the first time Bryan has done "proper" commentary outside of guesting when he still wrestled he sounded great. The difference in how the CWC team and how WWE's team would handle Sean Maluta's spill, Daniel and Mauro made it into a crucial part of the story, for Cole and JBL they would just throw a "didn't get all of it" and throw it away. On CWC they turned it around and I think the match actually benefited more from it than if Maluta actually hit the move properly.
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Post by Psy on Jul 14, 2016 11:59:00 GMT -5
Yes, that was another thing. The commentary in the CWC was leagues better than what you get on RAW (haven't watched Smackdown in years, so can't comment there) largely because you don't have one commentator constantly shouting down another and belittling them - even saying things like they hope they kill themselves or die horribly or other grotesque shit. Seriously, how the f*** do you support anti-bullying campaigns and then have JBL treat Byron like that on air? It's unacceptable.
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Post by corndog on Jul 14, 2016 12:03:45 GMT -5
Just a few of my thoughts- Nakamura vs. Balor was awesome. Just straight up awesome. I think they may have even held back a little bit, maybe thinking that one day we'll headline Wrestlemania, so let's not give them everything yet. CWC: I'm thinking this was a preview of Triple H's WWE and if that's the case, we're in for an amazing future. Everything about this felt "real" from the ring announcing, to the tale of the tape, to the commentary and certainly the action. Everything was important and compelling. It was easy to suspend disbelief, because you didn't have to! I can't wait to watch even more of the CWC and I really hope it moves to the other shows. It's funny to me how the Triple H produced NXT and CWC could seem so similar but different at the same time. I also enjoyed Nakamura vs Balor, very good match and I was happy to see it was the only match on the show. As far as CWC, I think this show's glimpses of HHH's WWE, but remember this is still a program dedicated to the most hardcore wrestling fans in the WWE's fanbase. I think the biggest and in some ways most important is it does HHH's style of production. More fluid and natural, not being obsessed with covering up the fact that wrestling is a work, like Dunn loves to do. Instead it lets the wrestling speak for itself. I can't imagine HHH will be able to do Dunn's job himself when he gets the keys(that would be asking too much from one person), but I wouldn't be surprised if it is a former wrestler doing the job. I also think we will have more serious minded commentary, that doesn't think wrestling and the moves are bad words. I don't think HHH will go full blown presenting wrestling legit like he did with this tournament. So I wouldn't expect the main roster to adopt a "code of honor" and to present it much like New Japan and ROH. I think it will be somewhere in between CWC and NXT, probably more towards the NXT end. However, there will still be plenty of stuff like the CWC and something for everyone.
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Post by Psy on Jul 14, 2016 14:57:48 GMT -5
I just thought of something - Hoho Lun could be an excellent heel. All he has to do is continue as he's doing, but be completely unaware of the crowd turning on him, thank them like Honky Tonk Man, and do underhanded heel tactics all while appealing to the crowd.
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Post by Abdullah on Jul 15, 2016 7:59:49 GMT -5
I'm not surprised to see that Nak vs Balor relatively underwhelmed with some outright disliking it. Overhyping almost never helps and it can't be helpful when you have a guy like Balor in there. It's a trend with him - his first match with Neville at Takeover? Very good. Didn't land on any MOTY list. His TV match with Itami? Crowd is saying 'Match of the Year' before they even lock up and there's maybe a handful of good spots to it. His series with Joe? Really good except for the cage bout. Kinda forgettable too.
There are more examples of this. He has a great look and all that and he is good in the ring but he's been around almost two years... it's fair to say something is missing with him. Several things. I hope he gets drafted to RAW which, until Tuesday, is the meanest insult I can think to say to someone.
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Post by gr1990 on Jul 15, 2016 11:23:20 GMT -5
I liked the majority of it, the winners hand being raised seemed stupid though. They get the pin, the music plays... they celebrate then the ref brings them together and the music stops, they announce the winner and the music starts again... The only time i've ever liked that is for a decision finish in MMA where there's suspense. It makes literally no sense in a sport with no judge's decision. It really irks me how wrestling trying to disguise itself as MMA is seen as 'progressive,' not really lame and endemic of (professional) wrestling's huge inferiority complex and chip on its shoulder when it comes to 'real' combat sports. No one is impressed by stuff like that and the pre-match handshakes. It's an artistic medium, not a sport, and no one will ever see it as one nor should they, why introduce unnecessary repetition and structure to it that limits how creative and varied you can be? Let wrestling be wrestling.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 15, 2016 13:27:42 GMT -5
I forgot to mention I did like Finn's leg submission he pulled out.
Wouldn't mind seeing him use it as a signature in the future.
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Post by CM Parish on Jul 15, 2016 14:05:47 GMT -5
I just thought of something - Hoho Lun could be an excellent heel. All he has to do is continue as he's doing, but be completely unaware of the crowd turning on him, thank them like Honky Tonk Man, and do underhanded heel tactics all while appealing to the crowd. So Bo Dallas in NXT? Also, I really liked Maluda. Kid has serious potential.
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Post by Perfect Timing on Jul 15, 2016 14:26:53 GMT -5
Cedric Alexander seems like a break out star that should be signed asap.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 15, 2016 14:37:14 GMT -5
I just thought of something - Hoho Lun could be an excellent heel. All he has to do is continue as he's doing, but be completely unaware of the crowd turning on him, thank them like Honky Tonk Man, and do underhanded heel tactics all while appealing to the crowd. So Bo Dallas in NXT? Also, I really liked Maluda. Kid has serious potential. Maluta already has the Stink of Roman Reigns on him, sadly. If they keep using him at the next couple sets of tapings, he's basically going to treated as a 3rd Uso by the crowds.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 14:49:31 GMT -5
I liked the majority of it, the winners hand being raised seemed stupid though. They get the pin, the music plays... they celebrate then the ref brings them together and the music stops, they announce the winner and the music starts again... The only time i've ever liked that is for a decision finish in MMA where there's suspense. It makes literally no sense in a sport with no judge's decision. It really irks me how wrestling trying to disguise itself as MMA is seen as 'progressive,' not really lame and endemic of (professional) wrestling's huge inferiority complex and chip on its shoulder when it comes to 'real' combat sports. No one is impressed by stuff like that and the pre-match handshakes. It's an artistic medium, not a sport, and no one will ever see it as one nor should they, why introduce unnecessary repetition and structure to it that limits how creative and varied you can be? Let wrestling be wrestling. It's not really a suspense thing, they don't think we're so dumb that we can't figure out on our own who won and lost. They do this in MMA whether it's a decision victory or a knock out/submission. I like it, it puts emphasis on the benefits of winning and losing, instead of the announcer having to talk over music and crowd noise, you go out of your way to make it explicitly clear who won and how.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 15, 2016 15:03:24 GMT -5
I wrote a quite long, rambly review on my blog for this last night and I'm going to keep reviewing it episode by episode. I know almost nothing about the majority of the field so expect a blunder or two. I don't tend to edit very much before I shove stuff online because I enjoy the purity of the first inspiration when it comes to writing. I love this commentary already too. Straight up admitting that one of them works a day job is something you almost never heard, but it adds to the importance. This was a nice touch for me too. It made it seem so real, and it put over the importance of the tournament. Commentators talking about wrestlers' weaknesses and strenghts and CALLING THE NAMES OF THE MOVES. This made me happier than I could even describe. I would keep all the other commentary bullshit if moves just started getting called more. Y'know, it's kind of funny how this and NXT both show how outdated WWE's production is. Look at how clean these two shows look while staying "real". Pomp and circumstance is fine for PPVs and WrestleMania, but this style of production is sooooo good. It must be tremendously cost effective too. Keep your big money for mics, cameras and crew and make the stage set stripped down. This is all that's needed. CEDRIC ALEXANDER DIDN'T LISTEN TO JEEESUS I WANNA WALK WITH JEEZIS I WANNA WALK WITH CHRISE I WANNA DO SOME RASSLIN IF I ACK REAL NISE (I hope someone understands this reference) As for NXT, I thought that was the least interesting match Nakamura has yet had. Also Balor's facial expressions when Nakamura kicked out of stuff were absolutely appalling. There were no actual stakes, just 'I should probably beat you if I want to wrestle Joe I guess.' At least the Joe promo was really great.
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Post by gr1990 on Jul 15, 2016 15:16:55 GMT -5
It makes literally no sense in a sport with no judge's decision. It really irks me how wrestling trying to disguise itself as MMA is seen as 'progressive,' not really lame and endemic of (professional) wrestling's huge inferiority complex and chip on its shoulder when it comes to 'real' combat sports. No one is impressed by stuff like that and the pre-match handshakes. It's an artistic medium, not a sport, and no one will ever see it as one nor should they, why introduce unnecessary repetition and structure to it that limits how creative and varied you can be? Let wrestling be wrestling. It's not really a suspense thing, they don't think we're so dumb that we can't figure out on our own who won and lost. They do this in MMA whether it's a decision victory or a knock out/submission. I like it, it puts emphasis on the benefits of winning and losing, instead of the announcer having to talk over music and crowd noise, you go out of your way to make it explicitly clear who won and how. Yeah, I'll admit to being completely unaware that it wasn't just decision victories where they did the arm-raising until people here pointed it out, probably should have checked up on that before sounding off, my bad I'd still prefer it if WWE employed its own ways of adding drama/making wins and losses matter rather than just stealing from 'real sport.' I guess it's harmless enough as a novelty in this tournament setting where everyone's new and there's no pre-established rivalries, but I'd hate if a big match at the end of a blood feud ended with both guys stood side by side (unless they were doing some sort of mutual respect angle), makes it seem less final.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 15, 2016 15:27:27 GMT -5
So Bo Dallas in NXT? Also, I really liked Maluda. Kid has serious potential. Maluta already has the Stink of Roman Reigns on him, sadly. If they keep using him at the next couple sets of tapings, he's basically going to treated as a 3rd Uso by the crowds. I'm going to assume this Maluta person is already more talented than Roman or the Usos and if we have to have at least one member of the "Samoan Dynasty" around, it should be him.
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Post by Long A, Short A on Jul 15, 2016 19:56:51 GMT -5
Will the CWC end up on Hulu?
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