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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 21, 2016 5:44:39 GMT -5
Or actually get medical care for injuries instead getting told "So what you think you got a concussion? Go out to the ring and wrestle, ya pussy!". Outside of CM Punk's bout with MRSA, who else? And before any Z Pack jokes, Z Packs are commonly used for bacterial infections.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 21, 2016 5:53:50 GMT -5
Outside of CM Punk's bout with MRSA, who else? And before any Z Pack jokes, Z Packs are commonly used for bacterial infections. Not a concussion but Paul Burchill blew his knee out early in his run as a pirate and was told 'You can go get your knee fixed but I can't guarantee there's going to be a spot for you when you come back." I doubt he's the only one given that 'choice' by WWE management. Paying for surgeries doesn't mean a great deal if you punish people for taking the offer and when they finally succumb, rush them back long before they're ready.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 21, 2016 6:00:50 GMT -5
Outside of CM Punk's bout with MRSA, who else? And before any Z Pack jokes, Z Packs are commonly used for bacterial infections. Not a concussion but Paul Burchill blew his knee out early in his run as a pirate and was told 'You can go get your knee fixed but I can't guarantee there's going to be a spot for you when you come back." I doubt he's the only one given that 'choice' by WWE management. Austin and Victoria wrestled with knee braces due to the terrible shape their knees were in and they didn't get surgery on them. Are we trying to play the game of WWE having wrestlers working injured makes them horrible because I can name 6 wrestling companies besides WWE & TNA who got people who right now shouldn't be wrestling due to serious injuries or had them perform that way.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 21, 2016 6:11:10 GMT -5
Austin and Victoria wrestled with knee braces due to the terrible shape their knees were in and they didn't get surgery on them. Are we trying to play the game of WWE having wrestlers working injured makes them horrible because I can name 6 wrestling companies besides WWE & TNA who got people who right now shouldn't be wrestling due to serious injuries or had them perform that way. Other people being bad doesn't make the WWE good, they make talent work far more dates than other companies and pressure them to go out there with a kneebrace on or rush back from surgery, they booked a post surgery CM Punk in gimmick matches that are dangerous enough at 100%, nevermind in his state. They push talent to stay out there as long as they can then wonder why people's bodies break down like Edge's did.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 21, 2016 6:18:17 GMT -5
If he feels the need to cry about it, Alberto can always dry his eyes with his $2.2M contract. Or Paige's bosom.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 21, 2016 6:43:10 GMT -5
Austin and Victoria wrestled with knee braces due to the terrible shape their knees were in and they didn't get surgery on them. Are we trying to play the game of WWE having wrestlers working injured makes them horrible because I can name 6 wrestling companies besides WWE & TNA who got people who right now shouldn't be wrestling due to serious injuries or had them perform that way. Other people being bad doesn't make the WWE good, they make talent work far more dates than other companies and pressure them to go out there with a kneebrace on or rush back from surgery, they booked a post surgery CM Punk in gimmick matches that are dangerous enough at 100%, nevermind in his state. They push talent to stay out there as long as they can then wonder why people's bodies break down like Edge's did. I said WWE is not infallible when it comes to how they treat talent but calling WWE the worst place to work is an over exaggeration. You must be mistaken me as a WWE fanboy because I'm not. I call WWE out on shit the same as I would with any other promotion. Honestly, pro wrestling in general is a terrible place to be part of.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 21, 2016 6:58:13 GMT -5
I said WWE is not infallible when it comes to how they treat talent but calling WWE the worst place to work is an over exaggeration. You must be mistaken me as a WWE fanboy because I'm not. I call WWE out on shit the same as I would with any other promotion. Honestly, pro wrestling in general is a terrible place to be part of. Oh absolutely, in terms of wrestling it's one of the better places as they've cut out a great deal of the shady stuff since they went public, but they still treat talent in ways that just wouldn't fly were they employees.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 7:01:09 GMT -5
Because they do that shit a lot Vince has a massive hard-on for breaking up in-company couples. "IF I CAN'T BE IN A HAPPY AND LOVING RELATIONSHIP THEN NO ONE CAN, DAMMIT!!!" ".......oh, uh, did I say that out loud? Uh.....WHAT A MANEUVER I'M A PTERODACTYL CAWWWWWWW!!!!!" *runs away*
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 21, 2016 7:05:12 GMT -5
Vince has a massive hard-on for breaking up in-company couples. "IF I CAN'T BE IN A HAPPY AND LOVING RELATIONSHIP THEN NO ONE CAN, DAMMIT!!!" ".......oh, uh, did I say that out loud? Uh.....WHAT A MANEUVER I'M A PTERODACTYL CAWWWWWWW!!!!!" *runs away* GODDAMNIT WOO!
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 21, 2016 7:15:53 GMT -5
I said WWE is not infallible when it comes to how they treat talent but calling WWE the worst place to work is an over exaggeration. You must be mistaken me as a WWE fanboy because I'm not. I call WWE out on shit the same as I would with any other promotion. Honestly, pro wrestling in general is a terrible place to be part of. Oh absolutely, in terms of wrestling it's one of the better places as they've cut out a great deal of the shady stuff since they went public, but they still treat talent in ways that just wouldn't fly were they employees. That's why they use that "independent contractor" label for the wrestlers. To protect their necks and wallets.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 21, 2016 8:38:08 GMT -5
That's why they use that "independent contractor" label for the wrestlers. To protect their necks and wallets. And it'll probably be their undoing on that front as the demands they make from their 'independent contractors' and attempts to control what they do off the clock put them firmly into the employee territory. We're going to see a reckoning soon as talent realise there's no chance of ever being rehired once they're released, no royalties from the network to lose so just lawyer up and roll the dice.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 21, 2016 9:14:34 GMT -5
That's why they use that "independent contractor" label for the wrestlers. To protect their necks and wallets. And it'll probably be their undoing on that front as the demands they make from their 'independent contractors' and attempts to control what they do off the clock put them firmly into the employee territory. We're going to see a reckoning soon as talent realise there's no chance of ever being rehired once they're released, no royalties from the network to lose so just lawyer up and roll the dice. Problem is that a vast number of people don't read their contracts when they sign and realized their rights & limitations. Only Brock and Del Rio successfully fought and defeated WWE in court because they did. Those concussion lawsuits are a waste because the folks involved have to prove WWE knew about the long term dangers of concussions for decades which they can't because info for it didn't exist during a number of their runs with the company. Even those who are less than 5 years from employment with the 'E can't find the smoking gun needed to win. Don't help they got an shady ambulance chaser as their lawyer.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jul 21, 2016 9:20:12 GMT -5
If he feels the need to cry about it, Alberto can always dry his eyes with his $2.2M contract. Or Paige's bosom. God......dammit......Del Rio.....
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Post by ilggant on Jul 21, 2016 10:17:24 GMT -5
Anyone have a video of said interviews? I can't seem to find them anywhere
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 21, 2016 10:36:40 GMT -5
And it'll probably be their undoing on that front as the demands they make from their 'independent contractors' and attempts to control what they do off the clock put them firmly into the employee territory. We're going to see a reckoning soon as talent realise there's no chance of ever being rehired once they're released, no royalties from the network to lose so just lawyer up and roll the dice. Problem is that a vast number of people don't read their contracts when they sign and realized their rights & limitations. Only Brock and Del Rio successfully fought and defeated WWE in court because they did. Those concussion lawsuits are a waste because the folks involved have to prove WWE knew about the long term dangers of concussions for decades which they can't because info for it didn't exist during a number of their runs with the company. Even those who are less than 5 years from employment with the 'E can't find the smoking gun needed to win. Don't help they got an shady ambulance chaser as their lawyer. The concussion suits are DOA unless they get people who kept immaculate records of their medical treatment in the WWE or former developmental guys to file en masse, those who came to the WWE, got 'trained' by Bill DeMott then left the business as just about everyone else works indies so have an uphill battle proving what happened where. I think the independent contractors lie will fall without the concussion suit, they put far too many restrictions on what talent can or can't do to be considered anything but employees and eventually someone like Adam Rose or Ryback who're likely never going to be rehired are going to hook up with a competent lawyer and take it to court.
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Post by trollrogue on Jul 21, 2016 13:39:53 GMT -5
Renee Young and Dean Ambrose (wins world title after they go public)! Hmm HHH and Stephanie (he wins several world titles after they go public, she wins RAW Commish job)!! Hmm x 2 Daniel Bryan and Brie (she wins the Divas title, he wins the WWE WHC, and their wedding is celebrated in ring and on Total Divas after they go public)!! Hmm x 3 Not everything is anti-love in the WWE. It's more like if the WWE can use it to make money and good kayfabe WWE storylines, they will. There's no potential for making money in ADR and Paige being an onscreen duo, thus they are on different shows. Simple. But being on the same show doesn't mean they'll be a kayfabe couple. It does mean that they'll likely travel together, likely be seen by fans together, and will likely break kayfabe or at the very least lose concentration on their individual careers while together. There's a reason why a lot of companies (especially ones like the WWE where even lower-tier employees like Paige and ADR are making well over 6-figures) have anti-fraternization employee rules. Anyways, if it's frowned upon the romance is always better anyways. Colin Cassidy and Carmella and 'Berto and Paige are probably loving it every small window they get to see each other and spend time once a month when they're in the same city.
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Post by 67 more on Jul 22, 2016 1:03:35 GMT -5
But being on the same show doesn't mean they'll be a kayfabe couple. It does mean that they'll likely travel together, likely be seen by fans together, and will likely break kayfabe or at the very least lose concentration on their individual careers while together. There's a reason why a lot of companies (especially ones like the WWE where even lower-tier employees like Paige and ADR are making well over 6-figures) have anti-fraternization employee rules. Anyways, if it's frowned upon the romance is always better anyways. Colin Cassidy and Carmella and 'Berto and Paige are probably loving it every small window they get to see each other and spend time once a month when they're in the same city. Yeah, long-distance relationships have such a great track record. I'm going to tell my gf we'll only see each other once a month now, she's going to be so stoked. Dude, this isn't 1983. If Cena and Nikki can be a couple when one's face and one's heel, there's no reason Alberto and Paige shouldn't be. Also, maybe the morale boost of being together with each other could help their careers. You're more likely to get better performances when someone's happy, why intentionally upset your employees independent contractors?
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Post by trollrogue on Jul 22, 2016 4:15:59 GMT -5
It does mean that they'll likely travel together, likely be seen by fans together, and will likely break kayfabe or at the very least lose concentration on their individual careers while together. There's a reason why a lot of companies (especially ones like the WWE where even lower-tier employees like Paige and ADR are making well over 6-figures) have anti-fraternization employee rules. Anyways, if it's frowned upon the romance is always better anyways. Colin Cassidy and Carmella and 'Berto and Paige are probably loving it every small window they get to see each other and spend time once a month when they're in the same city. Yeah, long-distance relationships have such a great track record. I'm going to tell my gf we'll only see each other once a month now, she's going to be so stoked. Dude, this isn't 1983. If Cena and Nikki can be a couple when one's face and one's heel, there's no reason Alberto and Paige shouldn't be. Also, maybe the morale boost of being together with each other could help their careers. You're more likely to get better performances when someone's happy, why intentionally upset your employees independent contractors? Although I enjoyed your condesending "dude this isn't 1983" it's telling that you glossed over my point that these Superstars are all (ALL) paid in the milliins of US dollars in yearly salary. You have never worked for any company where the employees are literally the product themselves, so please don't use your own work history to compare yourself to a Superstar, it's laughable.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jul 22, 2016 5:50:12 GMT -5
Outside of CM Punk's bout with MRSA, who else? And before any Z Pack jokes, Z Packs are commonly used for bacterial infections. Well, there's the elbow surgery when they rushed him back the moment he started working on it, and the knee injury he worked through for months before surgery and then they rushed him into a match with RyDick, then he had to actively attempt to die against Taker to get time off after that and they still forced him back early
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Post by 67 more on Jul 22, 2016 13:17:51 GMT -5
Yeah, long-distance relationships have such a great track record. I'm going to tell my gf we'll only see each other once a month now, she's going to be so stoked. Dude, this isn't 1983. If Cena and Nikki can be a couple when one's face and one's heel, there's no reason Alberto and Paige shouldn't be. Also, maybe the morale boost of being together with each other could help their careers. You're more likely to get better performances when someone's happy, why intentionally upset your employees independent contractors? Although I enjoyed your condesending "dude this isn't 1983" it's telling that you glossed over my point that these Superstars are all (ALL) paid in the milliins of US dollars in yearly salary. You have never worked for any company where the employees are literally the product themselves, so please don't use your own work history to compare yourself to a Superstar, it's laughable. Never mentioned my work history, you dont know my work history, didn't say anything condescending. Money's no reason to f*** with a person's private life.
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