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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 9, 2016 19:32:20 GMT -5
The feud with Ravishing was awesome. I loved those vignettes which implied Warrior was afraid to be inside a cage, and those ones of Rude training were superb. I completely believed that Rude was taking this deadly serious. He even cut his hair shorter. This was basically a pre cursor to WCW Rick Rude who looked like a major star. I always looked at this as Rude trying to sell himself to Vince and whoever else was making decisions that he can be a top heel with the new cut and serious attitude. The feud was awesome and Rick Rude eventually went on to show he can be taken serious as a top guy in WCW. |
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Post by abjordans on Aug 9, 2016 20:01:14 GMT -5
Looking back, it was definitely odd that the logical main event heel that was ready to go was given to Hogan. What was Warrior supposed to do?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 22:00:55 GMT -5
I always thought it had more to do with the wrestling boom of the 80's dying down. Wrestlemania VI was the last big moment of the era before people moved on to other things. Agreed. I've read people suggest that WM 8 was the end of the Hulkamania Era, and I could see the reasoning behind that, but I always felt it was WM 6. The whole company looked and felt different after that show. Prior to that, it felt like they could go to a factory and build a heel that could be a credible threat to Hogan (in 89 alone he feuded with Bossman, Savage, Zeus, and Perfect, which was all over the map as far as challengers). Warrior did not have that same versatility as a character as Hogan did. Rude never felt like a real threat, and really, no other heel save for maybe Savage would have felt like a threat to Warrior. Beating Hogan clean was both the peak and the start of the decline of Warrior's career. There was no where to go from there except down. |
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Post by Milkman Norm on Aug 9, 2016 22:57:09 GMT -5
Again the problem with the Warrior character imo was that it worked great up the semi-main level. Guy who runs in, destroys the heels, cuts a crazy promo, repeat. Once he got to the main event fans needed something more. Either a character they could understand, or better matches (not great matches btw. Hogan level stuff where you had a formula fans would buy) Warrior's character limited him to neither.
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Post by auph10imitated on Aug 10, 2016 4:21:41 GMT -5
The feud with Ravishing was awesome. I loved those vignettes which implied Warrior was afraid to be inside a cage, and those ones of Rude training were superb. I completely believed that Rude was taking this deadly serious. He even cut his hair shorter. This was basically a pre cursor to WCW Rick Rude who looked like a major star. I always looked at this as Rude trying to sell himself to Vince and whoever else was making decisions that he can be a top heel with the new cut and serious attitude. The feud was awesome and Rick Rude eventually went on to show he can be taken serious as a top guy in WCW. It is a massive shame that serious Rick Rude didnt get a good WWF run, your right in that the change in look did make him look like a serious threat and top star, the long hair felt like a campy (although awesome) mid carder, short hair Rude was more badass. If he had of been apart of the WWF in 1991-1992 in the way he was in WCW, it would have been awesome. |
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Post by Milkman Norm on Aug 10, 2016 8:11:30 GMT -5
Dangerous Alliance era Rude was the best Rude.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Aug 10, 2016 8:41:43 GMT -5
Vince was always a bet hedger when it came to Hogan. Alot of people will point to Hogan's politicking, and there is a shred of that; but more of Vince never wanting to stray far from his Golden Goose.
Also there really was a lack of challengers at the time. As deep as the WWF roster was, they lacked top level heels outside Macho Man, because Hogan or Warrior had gone through them, and there wasn't a DiBiase who was new to the company, or an attraction like Andre. Rude and Warrior had been done to death, Perfect lost to Beefcake at Mania, Earthquake had his original feud with Warrior, so that left Savage, who was feuding with Dusty, or turning Roberts.
I don't know if it would make a difference, as the WWF was cooling off anyway then, and Warrior just happened to be the fall guy. Sure, he was nowhere near as good as Hogan in making a his opponent seem like a threat; but even after Hogan won the title the next year, it was off of him by Survivor Series.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Aug 10, 2016 11:11:55 GMT -5
I think his feuds including house shows went (I might be missing one)
-Mr Perfect
-Rick Rude
-tagging w/ LOD v. Demolition
-Randy Savage
-Sgt Slaughter
That's not an awful run (Lotta dead people now)
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Post by auph10imitated on Aug 10, 2016 11:15:54 GMT -5
If you include House Shows during this era there is a lot of people that had better runs than what met the eye.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 10, 2016 11:23:45 GMT -5
This was basically a pre cursor to WCW Rick Rude who looked like a major star. I always looked at this as Rude trying to sell himself to Vince and whoever else was making decisions that he can be a top heel with the new cut and serious attitude. The feud was awesome and Rick Rude eventually went on to show he can be taken serious as a top guy in WCW. It is a massive shame that serious Rick Rude didnt get a good WWF run, your right in that the change in look did make him look like a serious threat and top star, the long hair felt like a campy (although awesome) mid carder, short hair Rude was more badass. If he had of been apart of the WWF in 1991-1992 in the way he was in WCW, it would have been awesome. Agreed. His WCW look in WWF would of been a great act but considering this is still the "last days of Hulkamania" he probably wouldn't have been considered for a serious run with the belt. Having him and Jake as your top heels in 91-92 would of been a great scene. |
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Post by Milkman Norm on Aug 10, 2016 11:40:02 GMT -5
The only heel that could have been a believable threat would have been Earthquake, and Hogan already was tied up with him. The idea to the best of my knowledge with Hogan doing the injury angle was to give Warrior time to attempt to draw as the top guy w/o Hogan. The angle would not have worked the other way, because Hogan was already over and drawing. So they couldn't sell "come see Warrior get his revenge" as a top program. Maybe as a semi main program. So instead it was the Hogan/Quake tour and the Warrior as champion tour. |
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Post by baerrtt on Aug 10, 2016 11:48:48 GMT -5
Hellwig being booked to go over Andre in seconds and handing Hogan his first clean pin on returning to the company, in a way, screwed him up in an almost Roman Reigns, in hindsight, fashion. The feud with Hogan/Earthquake worked because Hulk, however super heroic, had the kind of vulnerability the company had never bothered to make a part of The Ultimate Warrior's character.
If they'd given him Earthquake they probably would've booked it in the same manner as his previous feuds.
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Post by evilone on Aug 11, 2016 13:34:40 GMT -5
Hellwig being booked to go over Andre in seconds and handing Hogan his first clean pin on returning to the company, in a way, screwed him up in an almost Roman Reigns, in hindsight, fashion. The feud with Hogan/Earthquake worked because Hulk, however super heroic, had the kind of vulnerability the company had never bothered to make a part of The Ultimate Warrior's character. If they'd given him Earthquake they probably would've booked it in the same manner as his previous feuds. They had to make Warrior being vulnerable if they wanted to stretch his run and I don't see a problem with that. Earthquake could have handed him the great physical beating. I would go further by having DiBiase or Heenan Family be involved with Earthquake as reinforcement to grab the belt after Warrior somehow defeats barely Earthquake by count out in their first match. Two on one would really mean a lot to Warrior and it would open the door to Hogan to spoil the party and help out Warrior to get the sneaky victory on Earthquake. From there on DiBiase/Heenan Family and Hogan could have continued their feud as well as introduce Rude as Hogan's challenger while Warrior sweeps clean Earthquake this time. From there they could have generated some random monster (like Papa Shango or Bam Bam) to feed the Warrior clean pin but only to buy some time to build up Rude properly and as a plausible threat. You might ask yourself how, by beating Hogan as clean as you can if you have DiBiase or Heenan on your side. Then Rude gets his deserved title shot and goes into attitude against Warrior. He even ditches Heenan or DiBiase from his side to show how serious he is. And now Warrior takes beating on psychological side of the things. Rude gets into head of the beast and we have and awesome feud that could span until next PPV. Maybe even have Rude take the belt right before the PPV to show that he won psychological battle, not war, by having Warrior snap and fight him in cage right before PPV as Warrior burns in his desire to destroy Rude. Then in a huge come back Warrior beats Rude clean 1-2-3 Warrior goes to crown his title run by fighting with Macho at WM As far as the Mr. Perfect goes, he was just there to be fed to Hogan as a cocky heel and nothing more. I don't see how credible threat he could have been to Warrior. Mr. Perfects only flaw was that he rose to peak 3 years too early. Had he peaked in 1992 we could have had Bret vs Perfect for the World Championship. Like multiple times. |
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 11, 2016 13:59:32 GMT -5
The WWF just didn't have a quality heel roster in 1990, certainly not enough for two top babyfaces. The one guy who had top heel potential was Savage and he was already kind of jobbed out from the Hogan feud in 1989. He spent most of 1990 screwing around with Dusty Rhodes. The thing is, if you already have a massive heel Earthquake, do you really want Warrior feuding with another monster heel? It does make more sense to put Warrior against Rude or Dibiase. The sad thing is that the next year he could have had Taker, or a heel Jake, or Flair.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Aug 11, 2016 14:07:34 GMT -5
Yeah he should have gotten heel Jake Roberts and later on Mr.Perfect (then lose it to Savage?) as challengers instead of devaluated Rick Rude
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