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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 22, 2016 16:40:15 GMT -5
They need to retire the running powerbomb. I don't think he ever injured anyone before Sting with it. That's like saying they should retire The Styles Clash when he was breaking necks and cashing cheques consecutively. I don't disagree with you but in the case of the styles clash wasn't it being said people weren't tucking their head right. In the buckle bomb case that's mostly all Seth as the person can't really brace themselves until they are in the air
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 16:42:00 GMT -5
Was reminded today that Finn had shoulder issues in NXT, spent a bit wearing that kinesio tape, don't know if the same shoulder though. Wonder how much, if any, that played into it. The injury sounds similar to Sami's where they knew but it wasn't an issue they cared to fix until it was a major problem. Different shoulder it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 16:43:25 GMT -5
I don't think he ever injured anyone before Sting with it. That's like saying they should retire The Styles Clash when he was breaking necks and cashing cheques consecutively. I don't disagree with you but in the case of the styles clash wasn't it being said people weren't tucking their head right. In the buckle bomb case that's mostly all Seth as the person can't really brace themselves until they are in the air Possibly. It's a good point. I think you can still stick your head forward and flex your shoulders back. But if there isn't a safe way to protect yourself from the move and it's dependant on the guy doing it, then that's the fault of Rollins if he can't do a dangerous move safely
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Post by Mayonnaise on Aug 22, 2016 16:46:17 GMT -5
Running powerbomb needs to go. You injure one person with it and you can write it off, but it's becoming a repeat thing. Seth is more than talented enough to replace it with something else. This. The buckle bomb is becoming more dangerous over time and it's taking people out. Seth is a smart guy I'm sure he could find another move as a impact spot Who has he legit injured though? Possibly Balor and...? Sting went in injured and everyone from the doctors to Sting all say it wasn't Seth or the move but taking a bump on a neck that was broken and falling apart that was the problem. That is the only other time I can think of. Is there a long line of bodies I'm forgetting? This isn't to say that the move shouldn't be saved for major spots and not an everyday thing for the people he faces but this idea that Seth is dangerous is baffling to me.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Aug 22, 2016 16:47:09 GMT -5
The running Rollins Bomb: Scourge of painted face superstars
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Post by Perd on Aug 22, 2016 16:50:35 GMT -5
Wasn't Seth doing the buckle bomb when he blew out his knee?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 16:50:55 GMT -5
If a labrum tear seems like he could be out for a bit. Looking it seems like it can take two to three months to get to being able to start putting serious pressure on it again, and then after that he'd still need to build his strength back up and get back into conditioning for it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 22, 2016 16:51:16 GMT -5
This. The buckle bomb is becoming more dangerous over time and it's taking people out. Seth is a smart guy I'm sure he could find another move as a impact spot Who has he legit injured though? Possibly Balor and...? Sting went in injured and everyone from the doctors to Sting all say it wasn't Seth or the move but taking a bump on a neck that was broken and falling apart that was the problem. That is the only other time I can think of. Is there a long line of bodies I'm forgetting? This isn't to say that the move shouldn't be saved for major spots and not an everyday thing for the people he faces but this idea that Seth is dangerous is baffling to me. I'm not blaming Seth or saying he's dangerous at all. The move is a high risk move and some things you can't plan for like how the opponent can't really protect themselves from the move as its really in Seths hands. Thinking from WWE perspective I can see them telling him to come up with another spot but he's also got a long leash and is one of their guys so they could possibly tell him we know it isn't you hurting people but maybe you should use it for big spots
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 22, 2016 16:52:54 GMT -5
The Sting matter was reportedly a lot like Kidd's back where the execution of the move wasn't to blame so much as just the wear and tear finally doing Sting in and one last bump in that region being more than his body could handle. Which isn't to absolve him in this situation, and I do think that the move should maybe be retired in this case--or at least not done against the barricade--since Seth is a great wrestler with plenty of other really exciting moves he can pull out in its place. But as far as Seth's year of injuring dudes goes and Bret's inevitable response, it's comparable to how Bret blamed Samoa Joe for ending Kidd's career and calling the Muscle Buster, which does not have a history of injuries, "extremely dangerous" and "reckless". Yes, Bret's wrestling experience means he can have an eye for these things better than us rando f***asses sitting at home, but no, Bret does not have the best or most reasoned perspective on what is intense recklessness and what is just a body taking too much and not being able to go any more.
Edit: And, as is always worth pointing out in terms of dangerous moves, last year a man died in the ring after taking a dropkick. Wrestling is inherently dangerous and it isn't always down to one person being sloppy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 16:54:37 GMT -5
Damn near killing Sting... Damn near killing Cena... Damn near killing his own career... Damn near killing Balor...
It's official.
Rollins is the REAL hitman. No wonder Bret is pissed. He saw this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 16:54:43 GMT -5
You know, there is a an off chance that the guy who has been around wrestling his entire life and knows more about it than most on the planet knew what he was talking about when he recognized a guy being reckless. At the same time, kind of more inclined to take the word of someone who has actually been in the ring with him like Sting saying, "It wasn't Seth's fault," than someone watching at home who's never been in the ring with him. Granted, one takeaway from this, the Sasha thing, and a few other recent injuries is WWE really does need to slow it down a bit and stop being such a spotfest factory.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Aug 22, 2016 16:57:01 GMT -5
"Whatta man, whatta man, what a mighty right Hitman!"
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Aug 22, 2016 16:58:54 GMT -5
They need to retire the running powerbomb. I don't think he ever injured anyone before Sting with it. That's like saying they should retire The Styles Clash when he was breaking necks and cashing cheques consecutively. As others have said I just think it's a dangerous move. You can't brace yourself in the air as you're flying backwards dead weight AND Seth can barely even judge it since his face is stuck in his opponents stomach. I realise he's done it a bajillion times before but still. Wasn't Seth doing the buckle bomb when he blew out his knee? No he was sunset flipping off the top rope onto his feet to powerbomb Kane through a table the ol' fashioned way.
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Post by Von Wagner's Brownies on Aug 22, 2016 16:59:25 GMT -5
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Post by FAR5222 on Aug 22, 2016 17:00:36 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of the dude. But shit is disappointing now that it's going to be the revolving door of Roman/Rollins featuring Brock Lesnar for the next 6 months.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Aug 22, 2016 17:02:38 GMT -5
You know, this would be perfect for a Joe debut. Have him debut and say that he's pissed over losing the NXT title and wants the Universal title.
Or, f*** it, have the usual suspects win the title over and over.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 17:03:22 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of the dude. But shit is disappointing now that it's going to be the revolving door of Roman/Rollins featuring Brock Lesnar for the next 6 months. Exactly what I don't want to see. Reigns/Rollins continues tonight I'm sure. Dammit.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Aug 22, 2016 17:03:23 GMT -5
Who has he legit injured though? Possibly Balor and...? Sting went in injured and everyone from the doctors to Sting all say it wasn't Seth or the move but taking a bump on a neck that was broken and falling apart that was the problem. That is the only other time I can think of. Is there a long line of bodies I'm forgetting? This isn't to say that the move shouldn't be saved for major spots and not an everyday thing for the people he faces but this idea that Seth is dangerous is baffling to me. I'm not blaming Seth or saying he's dangerous at all. The move is a high risk move and some things you can't plan for like how the opponent can't really protect themselves from the move as its really in Seths hands. Thinking from WWE perspective I can see them telling him to come up with another spot but he's also got a long leash and is one of their guys so they could possibly tell him we know it isn't you hurting people but maybe you should use it for big spots You and others have called the move dangerous, but we may have one injury from it in about 4 years. Is it that dangerous? In general, there is one, maybe now two, injuries that coming from wrestling Seth but people are acting like he is RVD or Kennedy or someone that is a danger to be in the ring with. Is that fair? Is that dangerous or is just blind hatred considering the people involved? I really don't know where I am going with this, just between everything that went down this week, from ROH to Takeover to Summerslam with people getting injured (worked and not) this rush to throw someone and something under the bus irks me for some reason.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Aug 22, 2016 17:05:15 GMT -5
This sucks so much. Only bright spot I can think of is the fact people are going to pop pretty big if he just shows up at the right time after healing up.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 22, 2016 17:07:58 GMT -5
I'm not blaming Seth or saying he's dangerous at all. The move is a high risk move and some things you can't plan for like how the opponent can't really protect themselves from the move as its really in Seths hands. Thinking from WWE perspective I can see them telling him to come up with another spot but he's also got a long leash and is one of their guys so they could possibly tell him we know it isn't you hurting people but maybe you should use it for big spots You and others have called the move dangerous, but we may have one injury from it in about 4 years. Is it that dangerous? In general, there is one, maybe now two, injuries that coming from wrestling Seth but people are acting like he is RVD or Kennedy or someone that is a danger to be in the ring with. Is that fair? Is that dangerous or is just blind hatred considering the people involved? I really don't know where I am going with this, just between everything that went down this week, from ROH to Takeover to Summerslam with people getting injured (worked and not) this rush to throw someone and something under the bus irks me for some reason. That's right I said the move is dangerous because it's high risk, as I state again I'm not saying Seth is a dangerous wrestler at all. I've said I feel sorry for him if he starts getting that rep because by all means he's a safe wrestler and there's a reason why him and his shield brethren are the number 1 guys. You can be irked but I'm not throwing him under the bus. Shit happens but Seth will be fine. Are people going to start agreeing more with Bret, yea possibly but Seth jus had a string of bad luck with the Cena and Sting injuries which were jus freak accidents.
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