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Post by evilone on Aug 23, 2016 12:09:41 GMT -5
The one who carries the offense and as result his/hers opponent gets injured is always at fault. Period. No debate.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Aug 23, 2016 12:14:08 GMT -5
Unlike Ryback he is a) a brilliant wrestler and b) showed remorse
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Post by Scooterdust on Aug 23, 2016 12:59:17 GMT -5
And here I thought Seth just had an issue with face paint. Someone keep an eye on Goldust just in case.
*However, the ankle slip was a freak accident. Rollins has no blame in this. Zayn does it all the time. If this teaches them anything, hopefully they place more emphasis on sticking landings to prevent future injury, but these spots shouldn't be banned*
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Post by Dub H on Aug 23, 2016 13:03:11 GMT -5
The one who carries the offense and as result his/hers opponent gets injured is always at fault. Period. No debate. eeeh , it is not so simple ,like If you sandbag someone, or don't position yourself properly to receive the high flying move of someone
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Post by Dub H on Aug 23, 2016 13:04:07 GMT -5
And here I thought Seth just had an issue with face paint. Someone keep an eye on Goldust just in case. *However, the ankle slip was a freak accident. Rollins has no blame in this. Zayn does it all the time. If this teaches them anything, hopefully they place more emphasis on sticking landings to prevent future injury, but these spots shouldn't be banned* The ankle was an work , that is already reported as such
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Post by Scooterdust on Aug 23, 2016 13:09:43 GMT -5
And here I thought Seth just had an issue with face paint. Someone keep an eye on Goldust just in case. *However, the ankle slip was a freak accident. Rollins has no blame in this. Zayn does it all the time. If this teaches them anything, hopefully they place more emphasis on sticking landings to prevent future injury, but these spots shouldn't be banned* The ankle was an work , that is already reported as such Wow. They got me. Hook, line, and sinker. I honestly didn't know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 13:23:10 GMT -5
I'm getting a little tired of being written off with the "i-internet darling!" retort. If you'll pardon my butting in, I'm going to ask you this directly: would you still be arguing how "it wasn't really his fault" if it were Roman Reigns in Seth Rollins' place with regards to these injuries? Or Erick Rowan? Or Titus O'Neil? Even if your answer to this is yes, do you honestly think most other smark fans are so open-minded? In this thread alone we have someone saying that one of the differences between Rollins and Ryback being reckless is that Rollins is a great wrestler. I can't speak for StuntGranny® but that's what I mean in regards to the "indy darlings" comments. There's absolutely a double-standard when it comes to shit like this - hell, I've been guilty of it myself when it comes to some people.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Aug 23, 2016 13:41:41 GMT -5
Bret's loading his shotgun as we speak.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 23, 2016 13:42:22 GMT -5
I'm getting a little tired of being written off with the "i-internet darling!" retort. If you'll pardon my butting in, I'm going to ask you this directly: would you still be arguing how "it wasn't really his fault" if it were Roman Reigns in Seth Rollins' place with regards to these injuries? Or Erick Rowan? Or Titus O'Neil? Even if your answer to this is yes, do you honestly think most other smark fans are so open-minded? In this thread alone we have someone saying that one of the differences between Rollins and Ryback being reckless is that Rollins is a great wrestler. I can't speak for StuntGranny® but that's what I mean in regards to the "indy darlings" comments. There's absolutely a double-standard when it comes to shit like this - hell, I've been guilty of it myself when it comes to some people. Oh, I'm not saying double standards don't exist, just that they don't apply here because people are giving straight facts for the most part. Outside of that comment, people are explaining why it's not all on Seth, so yes, it is annoying being shrugged off with the typical "SMARKS GRR" counterpoint. It's not a double standard when people can explain themselves. And yes, I'd be defending anyone else in the same position.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Aug 23, 2016 13:49:11 GMT -5
I'm getting a little tired of being written off with the "i-internet darling!" retort. If you'll pardon my butting in, I'm going to ask you this directly: would you still be arguing how "it wasn't really his fault" if it were Roman Reigns in Seth Rollins' place with regards to these injuries? Or Erick Rowan? Or Titus O'Neil? Even if your answer to this is yes, do you honestly think most other smark fans are so open-minded? In this thread alone we have someone saying that one of the differences between Rollins and Ryback being reckless is that Rollins is a great wrestler. I can't speak for StuntGranny® but that's what I mean in regards to the "indy darlings" comments. There's absolutely a double-standard when it comes to shit like this - hell, I've been guilty of it myself when it comes to some people. The fact that people are openly ignoring the facts about these incidents not being his fault just to paint him as dangerous shows that people are not open minded and only want what they want. Same as with Ryback, same as with Titus, same as with RVD, same as with Triple H, same as with Bret, same as with HBK and same as with any wrestler. Pick a person and there is a group that ignores fact for fandom or lack there of. Using tired bullshit like "indie darling" as a shot at people who don't agree with something shows more of an issue to me. We always say, debate the post, not the poster and all the "Seth sucks but indie darling" stuff is attacking people defending him than people looking at what happened, what the parties involved have said and what the reports were. Are there double-standards, absolutely, but they come from people ignoring fact, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 14:26:23 GMT -5
Oh, I'm not saying double standards don't exist, just that they don't apply here because people are giving straight facts for the most part. Outside of that comment, people are explaining why it's not all on Seth, so yes, it is annoying being shrugged off with the typical "SMARKS GRR" counterpoint. It's not a double standard when people can explain themselves. And yes, I'd be defending anyone else in the same position. We always say, debate the post, not the poster and all the "Seth sucks but indie darling" stuff is attacking people defending him than people looking at what happened, what the parties involved have said and what the reports were. Are there double-standards, absolutely, but they come from people ignoring fact, IMO. My main issue is that people are being as objective as possible in defending Seth when they absolutely would not do that with other wrestlers. Seth gets the benefit of the doubt, the level-headed "let's not be too hasty" arguments from the people who damn near wanted to crucify Ryback after the Luke Harper botch, because Seth is seen as a good worker while Ryback largely isn't - "indy darling" is an admittedly snarky shorthand way of communicating this mindset. I'm not accusing either one of you in particular of thinking this way but it absolutely is a sentiment that I've seen expressed and think is unfair.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Aug 23, 2016 14:39:35 GMT -5
Oh, I'm not saying double standards don't exist, just that they don't apply here because people are giving straight facts for the most part. Outside of that comment, people are explaining why it's not all on Seth, so yes, it is annoying being shrugged off with the typical "SMARKS GRR" counterpoint. It's not a double standard when people can explain themselves. And yes, I'd be defending anyone else in the same position. We always say, debate the post, not the poster and all the "Seth sucks but indie darling" stuff is attacking people defending him than people looking at what happened, what the parties involved have said and what the reports were. Are there double-standards, absolutely, but they come from people ignoring fact, IMO. My main issue is that people are being as objective as possible in defending Seth when they absolutely would not do that with other wrestlers. Seth gets the benefit of the doubt, the level-headed "let's not be too hasty" arguments from the people who damn near wanted to crucify Ryback after the Luke Harper botch, because Seth is seen as a good worker while Ryback largely isn't - "indy darling" is an admittedly snarky shorthand way of communicating this mindset. I'm not accusing either one of you in particular of thinking this way but it absolutely is a sentiment that I've seen expressed and think is unfair. But Ryback not only had a history of injuring people to the point that not only did WWE de-push him but his friends stopped traveling with him and he was gloating about all of it. They're two completely different situations and the facts show that. He is a careless oaf and I say that as a fan. It killed his career. I get what you're saying and agree with the overall point but I don't see this thread as an example of it.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 23, 2016 14:47:34 GMT -5
Maybe Seth should slow down but let's look at the injuries.
Sting - They shouldn't have done that spot with a 56 year old man, so that's on both of them. Sting didn't tuck his chin which I believe he said is what caused it, making it more Sting's fault. John Cena - More of a freak accident, but I guess you could put Seth at fault. Finn Balor - Both guys are at fault. Seth should have done the spot from closer and Finn shouldn't have thrown his arm back the way he did. Watch Ambrose take the same spot and he never does that with his arm.
Seems like it's not all his fault.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Aug 23, 2016 14:48:20 GMT -5
I'm getting a little tired of being written off with the "i-internet darling!" retort. If you'll pardon my butting in, I'm going to ask you this directly: would you still be arguing how "it wasn't really his fault" if it were Roman Reigns in Seth Rollins' place with regards to these injuries? Or Erick Rowan? Or Titus O'Neil? Even if your answer to this is yes, do you honestly think most other smark fans are so open-minded? In this thread alone we have someone saying that one of the differences between Rollins and Ryback being reckless is that Rollins is a great wrestler. I can't speak for StuntGranny® but that's what I mean in regards to the "indy darlings" comments. There's absolutely a double-standard when it comes to shit like this - hell, I've been guilty of it myself when it comes to some people. Basically yes, this is what I meant as well. The double-standards are a little too prevalent when it comes to situations like this.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 23, 2016 14:52:12 GMT -5
not start anything, but I do find it kind of amusing how quickly people are to call a guy like Ryback dangerous for botches, but people like Seth and will detract the blame. Not that I'm saying that Seth is at fault for any of these injuries, but there's a double standard for sure with workrate Seth also isn't going on Twitter, acting like a complete douche, posing action figures of himself standing over action figures of Cena, Sting, and Balor wrapped in bandages. If he did, I'd find him more entertaining. Ryback is best when he's being a douche who has no f***s to give.
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Post by Crimson on Aug 23, 2016 14:53:17 GMT -5
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Aug 23, 2016 15:03:46 GMT -5
I will say, I'm not sure where I come down on the debate, though I do think the guy performing the move has a lot more responsibility for anything going wrong than the guy taking the move, unless there was deliberate sandbagging going on.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Aug 23, 2016 15:06:41 GMT -5
I'd love to hear from some more of our posters who have wrestling training experience.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 23, 2016 17:40:31 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just remembering the Ryback threads differently but I recall some people defended him too. Of course, he didn't help matters by seemingly gloating about hurting Punk but it wasn't all a lynch mob.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 23, 2016 17:45:30 GMT -5
If Kurt Angle was around, he'd deal with this. On Twitter. Thank god it didn't happen on the streets!
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