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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 4, 2017 9:42:44 GMT -5
I feel a little bad for Johnny Ace.
I don't believe he went out and hired underwear models because that's what he wanted for wrestling, but but simply acted as a conduit for Vince's will, and didn't really have the influence to fight or circumvent it the way that JR or Hunter have. JR was equally sketchy as head of talent relations, allegedly telling talented developmental guys they'd need to 'get bigger' to get on WWE TV, but gets more of a pass because of the good ol' JR character he built for himself on TV, plus he had the benefit of a much deeper talent pool to choose from.
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Post by thetower52 on Feb 4, 2017 18:19:37 GMT -5
I feel a little bad for Johnny Ace. I don't believe he went out and hired underwear models because that's what he wanted for wrestling, but but simply acted as a conduit for Vince's will, and didn't really have the influence to fight or circumvent it the way that JR or Hunter have. JR was equally sketchy as head of talent relations, allegedly telling talented developmental guys they'd need to 'get bigger' to get on WWE TV, but gets more of a pass because of the good ol' JR character he built for himself on TV, plus he had the benefit of a much deeper talent pool to choose from. I remember an interview where R truth said JR told him straight to his face he wouldn't makenit bcaise he was black.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 14:34:15 GMT -5
Lucha Underground is a horrible show. Its basically violence for the sake of violence, with a bigger emphasis on blood, male on female violence, & gratuity than storytelling. Plus, Vampiro is on it & he's shit.
I agree with Dan Lovranski about the show. As bad as TNA is, they got the God of Destruction known as Bobby Lashley.
The New Day had only a month of creativity before settling into their tired shtick. They didn't deserve to be the longest reigning tag champs.
I like Natalya.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 5, 2017 15:55:35 GMT -5
Lucha Underground is a horrible show. Its basically violence for the sake of violence, with a bigger emphasis on blood, male on female violence, & gratuity than storytelling. Plus, Vampiro is on it & he's shit. I agree with Dan Lovranski about the show. As bad as TNA is, they got the God of Destruction known as Bobby Lashley. The New Day had only a month of creativity before settling into their tired shtick. They didn't deserve to be the longest reigning tag champs. I like Natalya. That's why I stopped watching Lucha Underground a few episodes into season one, given all we know about the damage caused by concussions and blood borne diseases now, I can't enjoy bloodbaths and people taking stupid bumps. Not being asked to do that on a WWE or even an ECW schedule helps, I suppose, but it's still a whole lot of stupid risk for an audience smaller than present day TNA's.
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Feb 5, 2017 16:15:56 GMT -5
Cody Rhodes is so generic that I'd honestly watch a Mike Bennett match over him.
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Post by MrElijah on Feb 5, 2017 18:15:52 GMT -5
Lucha Underground is a horrible show. Its basically violence for the sake of violence, with a bigger emphasis on blood, male on female violence, & gratuity than storytelling. Plus, Vampiro is on it & he's shit. I agree with Dan Lovranski about the show. As bad as TNA is, they got the God of Destruction known as Bobby Lashley. The New Day had only a month of creativity before settling into their tired shtick. They didn't deserve to be the longest reigning tag champs. I like Natalya. I don't think you are alone about Bobby. He's been a better booked monster than Lesnar and has put on some better matches consistently.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Feb 13, 2017 14:52:19 GMT -5
For all the flak the attitude era gets these days its still aged a lot better than NWO era WCW.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 15, 2017 8:56:51 GMT -5
- I felt Omega/Okada was a slightly better match than Cena/Styles at the Rumble, but I liked Cena/Styles at Summerslam a little more than Omega/Okada. And it's an incredibly moot point because all three of these matches, IMO, are modern classics.
- Ricky Steamboat had more charisma than fans give him credit for. His "new horizons " promo at Wrestlemania 3 is really good. Though to be fair, when two of your greatest rivals are Randy Savage and Ric Flair, you're probably going to be outshined on the mic.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 15, 2017 13:09:04 GMT -5
People need to stop acting like WCW never gave Ted Turner any return on the money spent, it was a cornerstone of his non CNN broadcasting and was a major part of their transformation from a channel that showed monster movies and the Dukes of Hazzard into a major broadcaster. It could and should have been run better, but it was never some vanity moneypit project the way the WBF and XFL were for Vince, you don't become as wealthy as Ted Turner if you don't know what you're doing.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 21, 2017 13:36:29 GMT -5
I don't think Steve Austin's success was that much of an anomaly. He often showed similar kinds of babyface fire and the sort of comebacks/promos that guys like Randy Savage, Roddy Piper or even old territory guys like early 80's Dusty Rhodes did. The appeal of "Stone Cold" wasn't that he was an anti hero so much as he came off like an unpredictable wild man.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 17:51:47 GMT -5
People need to stop acting like WCW never gave Ted Turner any return on the money spent, it was a cornerstone of his non CNN broadcasting and was a major part of their transformation from a channel that showed monster movies and the Dukes of Hazzard into a major broadcaster. It could and should have been run better, but it was never some vanity moneypit project the way the WBF and XFL were for Vince, you don't become as wealthy as Ted Turner if you don't know what you're doing. Up until the 90s, it was just random syndication & Atlanta Braves baseball. After WCW ended, they had original programming on TBS & TNT. That is often overlooked because the fascet if wrestling being a liability towards Madison Avenue is generally the talking point.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 22, 2017 11:18:42 GMT -5
People who defend Enzo will have no right to complain when Vince gets it in his head to order that they go on another spree of signing 6'6" shlubs which he'll want on the main roster ASAP regardless of their lack of ability. Big guys get reactions and that's all that matters, right? Who cares if they can't run the ropes properly and look like they're about to cave someone's face in each time they hit a power move?
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Feb 23, 2017 7:05:11 GMT -5
I can't help but believe that if WCW had never put the world title on David Arquette, Vince could of easily come up with the idea of putting the belt on a actor/celebrity due to his obsession with celebrities and and willingness to use them at the expense of his own talent in order to gain some mainstream publicity.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 23, 2017 8:26:00 GMT -5
- I can't help but believe that if WCW had never put the world title on David Arquette. Vince could of easily come up with the idea of putting the belt on a actor/celebrity due to his obsession with celebrities and and willingness to use them at the expense of his own talent in order to gain some mainstream publicity. Well, there were rumours he wanted the belt on Zeus during the 80s to promote No Holds Barred, despite Tiny Lister not being any good at the wrestling side of things, but yeah, it's something that absolutely would have happened during the guest host era if they could get someone high profile enough to sign up to work a PPV. If it weren't for Arquette, we'd still be discussing the outright lunacy that was K-Fed's 2 week reign as WWE champion.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 24, 2017 12:49:37 GMT -5
Well, there were rumours he wanted the belt on Zeus during the 80s to promote No Holds Barred, despite Tiny Lister not being any good at the wrestling side of things,. Bruce Pritchard on his podcast talking about Zeus denied there being any kind of talk about actually making him champion, and said people probably heard Vince give one of his BS promoter pep talks of "I could see you as champion one day"
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Post by Ozman on Feb 25, 2017 20:06:33 GMT -5
Dusty Rhodes and Harley Race were exactly where they belonged on the card during their World Wrestling Federation runs. Many people seem to think that they were misused by Vince and should have been higher up on the card. But both men were past their primes and belonged in the mid card by the time they signed with Vince.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 25, 2017 20:26:10 GMT -5
Whatever you think of CM Punk, he deserves some respect for having proved to the WWE that there is money to be made from 'indy darlings'. Without him, they would still be slogging ahead, trying to find the next Cena or Orton from the hundreds of guys they've signed that have been cut from other sports.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Feb 26, 2017 23:24:56 GMT -5
Hart vs Austin at Wrestlemania 13 wasn't anything special as a wrestling match. Only positive was the visual of a blood drenched Austin in the sharpshooter.
I thought Survivor Series 96 was the best match these two had.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 27, 2017 15:13:28 GMT -5
Dusty Rhodes and Harley Race were exactly where they belonged on the card during their World Wrestling Federation runs. Many people seem to think that they were misused by Vince and should have been higher up on the card. But both men were past their primes and belonged in the mid card by the time they signed with Vince. I don't know, I don't think I've heard anyone say they should have been higher on the card. Harley had runs with JYD, Hogan, and Warrior. Dusty had runs with Bossman, Savage, and Dibiase. The only complaint I've heard about the two is about their gimmicks.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Feb 28, 2017 6:54:10 GMT -5
- I f***ing hate The burning hammer and not because its dangerous but rather because it has to be one of the most dumbest looking wrestling moves of all time.
- I've never once found Kevin Nash to be funny.
- Jesse Ventura has and always will be a better heel color commentator than Bobby Heenan.
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