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Post by bootytea on Oct 30, 2016 23:07:13 GMT -5
Booker's doing a great job... This is a discussion show.. It's building character.. Do you really want Mick there yelling randomly and fumbling his lines? lol What? You're not understanding me. Bryan doing it not only built character, it led to matches and angles. Booker though? He can't make angles, they don't really have anything against Booker like heels do Bryan, I mean it doesn't make any sense. Booker needs to be GM for it to be effective because he's got power for heels to go against. This just doesn't have that. He ain't Bryan lmao. RAW is a giant mess that I've completely given up on, but it's nice to see members of the roster let loose and have fun. If Mick Foley was there, it would mostly be about the power struggle he is having with Stephanie. Booker T would definitely be a better manager, but we can't have it all. I do agree with you about Booker's interactions being pointless, don't get me wrong. There's also a foolish part of me that hopes that this show will pick up so much steam that it will force WWE to make Booker the new GM..
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Post by Emmet Russell on Oct 30, 2016 23:07:37 GMT -5
Well... I've bad news for you - he's likely to be attached to HHH/Stephanie until at least Mania. Yea I know that's obvious story telling. Tho I think they should try treat the upcoming Royal Rumble like a mania and stack that up hard and that would be a good match for that card. They're going to have to have big matches on the show if they hope you sell out the stadium. There's no way the WWE brand will sell it out on its own. I'm curious if they pull the trigger for the Rumble, or wait till Mania. Personally, I'd love to get it out of the way at Rumble and let Seth do something else at WM. I'm done with HHH WM matches and would be happy to never see another one. I'd like to see an interpromotional match for Seth at WM, vs AJ. There's enough of a story behind it with them meeting on the indies, and it would be a fantastic match and one you wouldn't see any other time because of the brand split.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 30, 2016 23:11:46 GMT -5
Yea I know that's obvious story telling. Tho I think they should try treat the upcoming Royal Rumble like a mania and stack that up hard and that would be a good match for that card. They're going to have to have big matches on the show if they hope you sell out the stadium. There's no way the WWE brand will sell it out on its own. I'm curious if they pull the trigger for the Rumble, or wait till Mania. Personally, I'd love to get it out of the way at Rumble and let Seth do something else at WM. I'm done with HHH WM matches and would be happy to never see another one. I'd like to see an interpromotional match for Seth at WM, vs AJ. There's enough of a story behind it with them meeting on the indies, and it would be a fantastic match and one you wouldn't see any other time because of the brand split. Mania in itself is up in the air which can be sort of a good thing. I see AJ holding the belt until Mania but who does he face. Or you can have him drop the belt to Cena which brings in Taker to Challenge Cena in his "last ride" Right now Seth either gets HHH at Mania or RR but it needs to happen so he can move on with us character. Hell I thought they were going to hold off with Brock/Goldberg until RR but they pulled the trigger for that at Survivor Series
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Post by Emmet Russell on Oct 30, 2016 23:17:18 GMT -5
They're going to have to have big matches on the show if they hope you sell out the stadium. There's no way the WWE brand will sell it out on its own. I'm curious if they pull the trigger for the Rumble, or wait till Mania. Personally, I'd love to get it out of the way at Rumble and let Seth do something else at WM. I'm done with HHH WM matches and would be happy to never see another one. I'd like to see an interpromotional match for Seth at WM, vs AJ. There's enough of a story behind it with them meeting on the indies, and it would be a fantastic match and one you wouldn't see any other time because of the brand split. Mania in itself is up in the air which can be sort of a good thing. I see AJ holding the belt until Mania but who does he face. Or you can have him drop the belt to Cena which brings in Taker to Challenge Cena in his "last ride" Right now Seth either gets HHH at Mania or RR but it needs to happen so he can move on with us character. Hell I thought they were going to hold off with Brock/Goldberg until RR but they pulled the trigger for that at Survivor Series The Cena title win needs to happen as a big show, which I thought would be Mania, but with RR being in the Alamodome- I'd be fine with it happening on that show, opening AJ up for the Seth match at WM and Cena defending against someone else. You're right about Seth the character: he desperately needs to get his revenge and move away from HHH so he can rightly advance as a face character. No more clinging onto his authority background.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 30, 2016 23:20:26 GMT -5
Mania in itself is up in the air which can be sort of a good thing. I see AJ holding the belt until Mania but who does he face. Or you can have him drop the belt to Cena which brings in Taker to Challenge Cena in his "last ride" Right now Seth either gets HHH at Mania or RR but it needs to happen so he can move on with us character. Hell I thought they were going to hold off with Brock/Goldberg until RR but they pulled the trigger for that at Survivor Series The Cena title win needs to happen as a big show, which I thought would be Mania, but with RR being in the Alamodome- I'd be fine with it happening on that show, opening AJ up for the Seth match at WM and Cena defending against someone else. You're right about Seth the character: he desperately needs to get his revenge and move away from HHH so he can rightly advance as a face character. No more clinging onto his authority background. Like I said my hope is they are going to treat the Rumble like a mania type event considering the venue. The next few months will be big for Seth as a character. When you straddle shit to long it gets weathered and won't have that impact it should have. Seth whining about the authority needs to go. Call Steph vindictive sure but reflect on you being a fool for believing her and she used you like she did everyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 23:58:43 GMT -5
Looking at the full PPV results all together this was a really weirdly structured show. The only matches faces actually won were Reigns / Rusev, Bayley / Dana, and kind of the tag title match, and that last one was by DQ while the former it's not like it's a face people like.
Then again that seems to happen a lot ever since Triple H got more power and started constantly indulging in his NWA fetish.
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Post by madness50 on Oct 31, 2016 0:25:15 GMT -5
I will say though Sasha wedgie is amazing When did this happen in the match? I didn't watch the show tonight.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 31, 2016 0:41:11 GMT -5
I will say though Sasha wedgie is amazing When did this happen in the match? I didn't watch the show tonight. The end when Charlotte was rag dolling her everywhere
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Post by madness50 on Oct 31, 2016 1:09:12 GMT -5
When did this happen in the match? I didn't watch the show tonight. The end when Charlotte was rag dolling her everywhere What did the finish end up being? I haven't read the results yet.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 31, 2016 1:20:57 GMT -5
The end when Charlotte was rag dolling her everywhere What did the finish end up being? I haven't read the results yet. She started throwing around Sasha on the table to hurt her back more in reference to the stretcher angle earlier, after she threw Sasha around off the table like 3 times she rolled off the table and Sasha ran off the ropes and hit the natural selection for the surprise considering there was no close pin attempts to that point really
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 31, 2016 1:21:30 GMT -5
The end when Charlotte was rag dolling her everywhere What did the finish end up being? I haven't read the results yet. Banks was going to powerbomb Charlotte through a table, but her back gave out. Charlotte was then presumably going to throw her through the same table, but it wouldn't break after two attempts. Then Charlotte just hit the Natural Selection and won it.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Oct 31, 2016 1:33:53 GMT -5
I can't stand Booker on these things. He comes across as such a mark for himself, and I hate using that term but not sure how else to describe it.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Oct 31, 2016 2:13:59 GMT -5
I can't stand Booker on these things. He comes across as such a mark for himself, and I hate using that term but not sure how else to describe it. I was annoyed he seemed to imply Kendrick never won a title before despite commentary continually bringing up the contrary.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Oct 31, 2016 2:46:57 GMT -5
Noticed a somewhat funny botch from Jojo at the end
"Here is your winner and the new Raw D-Women's Champion"
Almost said diva
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Oct 31, 2016 4:57:06 GMT -5
Noticed a somewhat funny botch from Jojo at the end "Here is your winner and the new Raw D-Women's Champion" Almost said diva She also announced the tag title match as "This match is for the Raw Tag Team Champions" So, Cesaro and Sheamus would win the physical New Day if they had won.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Oct 31, 2016 6:05:51 GMT -5
Noticed a somewhat funny botch from Jojo at the end "Here is your winner and the new Raw D-Women's Champion" Almost said diva She also announced the tag title match as "This match is for the Raw Tag Team Champions" So, Cesaro and Sheamus would win the physical New Day if they had won. The winners and New Day Champons
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Post by the2ndevil on Oct 31, 2016 8:29:12 GMT -5
Here's one last picture I took at the show, because why not?
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 31, 2016 11:07:45 GMT -5
WWE Hell in a Cell October 30th, 2016 | TD Garden in Boston, Massachusetts | Attendance: 16,119
Man, these kickoff shows can really be a drag right? Even with the lovely Renee Young working the Raw pre-shows. Anyway, the match itself on the pre-show was pretty good. Contracted guy Cedric Alexander, Lince Dorado and Sin Cara defeated non-contracted fellows Tony Nese, Drew Gulak and Ariya Daivari. It was a fun six man sprint that saw Alexander pick up the win with the Lumbar Check at 9:42. Like most cruiserweight matches though, it didn’t seem to matter or have much reason for people to care. Just an enjoyable few minutes of wrestling. (***)
WWE United States Championship Hell in a Cell: Roman Reigns (c) def. Rusev in 24:49 When people talk about Hell in a Cell matches not being anything special anymore, this could be the match they point to. This was really just two guys having a No DQ match where the cell just happened to be around. The fight half of this was largely uninteresting. Things picked up a bit as the match progressed, but it never got that good. Both guys used the kendo stick a fair amount of times. Rusev mostly beat up Reigns though so we got the Reigns superman comeback. He powered out of the Accolade, including once with a steel chain wrapped around him and won with a Spear while Rusev was on the steps. Ho-hum. It went too long, Rusev looked like a monster for a bit and then came off weak. Not at all on the level of Reigns/Wyatt last year. **½
Bayley def. Dana Brooke in 6:27 Dana Brooke was on the road to becoming a pretty solid competitor in NXT. Her team with Emma was working wonders and I thought there was potential there. Then she got called up too fast, Emma got hurt and she got saddled with Charlotte in a combination that has never clicked. This rivalry has featured some pretty bad matches and this was sadly probably their best, but still not good. Dana worked the arm, but Bayley decided not to really sell it and won with the Bayley to Belly. A really lackluster outing. *¾
Karl Anderson and Luke Gallows def. Enzo Amore and Colin Cassady in 6:42 Enzo and Cass were great on the mic before the bell as always. Those dudes, especially Enzo, just have a lot of charisma. This was a decent match that was missing something. I think the issue was that while the crowd loves Enzo and Cass, they stay quiet for parts of their matches. They didn’t seem to care about the heat segment on Enzo and maybe part of it is because Anderson and Gallows have been booked like total shit, so nobody takes them seriously. Once Cass got the hot tag, the fans woke up a bit. It didn’t mean much though since once Enzo became legal again, he fell to the Magic Killer. A really generic tag with little heat. **¼
WWE Universal Championship Hell in a Cell: Kevin Owens (c) def. Seth Rollins in 23:13 The match between these two at Clash of Champions was a massive disappointment. This was much better. They wrestled like they wanted to steal the show and the match was heading down that road. Then Chris Jericho got involved. Don’t get me wrong, Jericho has been the highlight of the feud but it was too much here. Other than the SummerSlam match between Jericho and Rollins, every Universal Title match has been marred by overbooking and interference. I would have liked something different here. Owens took an insane bump where Seth powerbombed him through two tables, one of which was wedged at an angle between the cell and the ring. Jericho broke that pin up and Seth still pulled his best Roman Reigns impersonation by kicking his ass anyway. In the end, the 2 on 1 disadvantage was too much and Owens powerbombed him onto two open chairs to retain. It was a spectacle of a cell match, which was good. I would have liked to see Owens be handled better here but this was still the MOTN up to this point by far. ***¾
WWE Cruiserweight Championship: The Brian Kendrick def. TJ Perkins (c) in 10:29 This was on pace to be the best match of their series thus far. Their chemistry gelled better here than in previous matches but the crowd was dead after the cell match. It came down to the story in the end. Kendrick has wanted Perkins to throw the match and let him win. Kendrick started to sell a knee injury. The official checked on him but Perkins and commentary both couldn’t even take a guess that he was faking. Perkins played stupid babyface, checked on him, got headbutted and then tapped out to the captain’s hook. I know face characters are dumb but goodness. The fans never bought the finish, TJ looked dumb and this had a weak atmosphere. **½
Raw Tag Team Championship: Cesaro and Sheamus def. The New Day (c) w/ Kofi Kingston via disqualification in 11:21 I was surprised to see Kofi Kingston sit this out, while Xavier Woods got the ring time. I wasn’t upset about it though since I like Woods. Their match on Raw was really fun but this one never quite reached that level. It was still pretty good and I totally bought into a false finish near the end, despite the fact that I never thought New Day’s reign would end here. Cesaro had Woods locked in the sharpshooter and Woods is the guy who lost in their first title reign. Woods held on while Sheamus went at it with Big E. Kofi laid him out though and the referee called for the DQ at the same time that Woods tapped out. I get the idea behind it, since it extends the New Day reign, while also setting up a rematch, but it just felt kind of flat. **¾
Raw Women’s Championship Hell in a Cell: Charlotte def. Sasha Banks in 22:11 As the cell was being lowered, Charlotte attacked Sasha and they fought outside. Charlotte powerbombed Sasha through the announce table and they overdid the whole “CAN SASHA CONTINUE?” angle. It took a long time, Sasha’s stretcher job was over the top and Charlotte yelling things during it made me mute my TV. Sasha got up eventually and the match officially began. Once it did, it was among the most brutal women’s matches in history. Chairs and tables were brought into play. Sasha had the spot of the match with a Spider-Man like springboard off the cell Meteora. I felt scared for Sasha several times throughout though as she seems hell bent on breaking her neck on some spots. The best decision here would have been Sasha winning in her hometown but instead, Charlotte brutalized her and won after throwing her into a table several times and hitting Natural Selection. Not only was the decision bad, but the finish felt anti-climactic after everything they had done to each other. Add in that this now means the feud must continue when it was already dragging ass and this was just a really sour way to end things. I liked Sasha’s back injury causing her to fail on the powerbomb which led to her defeat though. Anyway, the only things that kept this from being truly great were the finish, result and the overdone angle beforehand. Other than that, this ruled and the women showed that they were worthy of a main event spot. ***¾
Overall: 6.5/10. There was some good on this show, some bad and a whole lot of mediocre. Okay, the only bad thing was Bayley/Dana but two of the three cell matches were really good in Owens/Rollins and Charlotte/Sasha. The rest of the show was very middle of the pack. A disappointing US Title cell, Tag Title match and Cruiserweight Title match, along with a ho-hum Enzo & Cass tag match rounded out the show. It continued to suffer from the issues that Raw suffers from. It went too long (I don’t believe the Smackdown PPVs have gone over three hours) and had several questionable booking decisions.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Oct 31, 2016 12:02:52 GMT -5
Just finished watching it. All the matches were good to great in my opinion. The Cell matches were all different which was good. Still shouldn't be 3 Cells in one night, but since there were I thought WWE booked them well.
I knew Charlotte wasn't losing so it didn't kill the match for me. Outside of that and the the Tag Title finish I thought it the right people won and the finishes were good.
RAW the TV show is shit, but the PPV wasn't. I thought it was a great show and actually one of the best PPVs top to bottom this year.
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