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Post by wisdomwizard on Oct 10, 2016 22:38:18 GMT -5
I think they've gotten better at building up angle in recent weeks, but a large number of FAN members haven't tuned. What does Raw need to do to improve? What angles absolutely aren't working, and why? How should the three hours be used, since we know USA won't allow Raw to dump the third hour anyway? What ways can they use the Draft to Raw's benefit?
Within reason, nothing amazingly drastic what would get you to watch all of Raw FAN?
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Oct 10, 2016 22:40:00 GMT -5
Less this.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 10, 2016 22:42:36 GMT -5
I legitimately feel like we have this thread every week here. And the results are usually the same... RAW simply doesn't connect on the level say a Smackdown does, and it may not be as simple as changing a few things, it's just simply the entire scope and presentation of the show turns people off whether it's the booking, talent, presentation, or what have you.
It's pretty simple. Smackdowns doing great, RAW isn't Smackdown and decides it wants to be different and that different turns people off. People are sick of it, and tune out, because they aren't enjoying that end of the product.
If RAW at this point doesn't know what it's doing wrong, then it probably never will. Let's just hope Smackdown stays lit enough to compensate.
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Post by DoubleDare on Oct 10, 2016 22:44:10 GMT -5
This sums up why I dont watch RAW anymore really.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 22:44:26 GMT -5
I can't vouch for the past few weeks because I haven't watched since Clash of Champions, but for the shows before that, the main issue is it's incredibly boring and constantly feels like it's mocking you for wanting to see something interesting.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Oct 10, 2016 22:45:19 GMT -5
I can't vouch for the past few weeks because I haven't watched since Clash of Champions, but for the shows before that, the main issue is it's incredibly boring and constantly feels like it's mocking you for wanting to see something interesting. But what about it is boring?
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Oct 10, 2016 22:45:27 GMT -5
I can't take another New Day promo or unnecessary win.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 22:48:10 GMT -5
I've stopped watching like the first hour of the show and it's been better to me but overall I say my issues are this:
- Too long, way too long. There's a difference between a lengthy show that hits you and a lengthy boring show. Raw's got some nice parts but the boring parts just waste my time. I'd rather do something else instead like sleep. - "The Roman Reigns Will Never Be Booked Correctly And Everyone He Interacts With Becomes Far Worse For It Including The Women" show. Sasha and Charlotte looked far worse getting mixed in with the guy. Let alone Rusev even changed his look to try and get the stink of this dude off him. It's a lost cause and I refuse to keep watching his parts knowing he's ruining who he works with. I straight up didn't see the match because of him. Straight up missed Sasha because of him. Just, no. - Cruiserweights being toned down. Nah, they gotta bring them back up again. - Gallows/Anderson, New Day being shit right now. Just, ugh. - Too much Authority. I don't want them popping up again even Mick. He's been shit ever since he got that role. - Feels less about the show being streamlined and everything working off each other and more like they had different segments they just acted out at different times. No flow. - Owens, Rollins and the Universal Title feel like they are secondary to Reigns and his belt. No matter what they do it feels as though they're just wasting time until Reigns can be back in the title picture especially considering Reigns got over on Owens multiple times. It's horrible. No use watching this when their belt doesn't matter.
Just boring.
I'm watching less and less Raw as the weeks go by but I still watch SD and the ppvs. No shame.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 10, 2016 22:49:07 GMT -5
I can't vouch for the past few weeks because I haven't watched since Clash of Champions, but for the shows before that, the main issue is it's incredibly boring and constantly feels like it's mocking you for wanting to see something interesting. But what about it is boring? That's a legitimate question when we just had Titus O Neil vs R-Truth as a match tonight?
RAW aint all boring but it drags incredibly at points.
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Post by fw91 on Oct 10, 2016 22:49:23 GMT -5
its 3 hours. that's it to be honest. go back to two and condense what you got and i think the boredom goes down. Smackdown is only two and although it has yet to blow me away, its better to me because the show moves quickly and doesn't tire you out. You can focus on the good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 22:49:25 GMT -5
I can't vouch for the past few weeks because I haven't watched since Clash of Champions, but for the shows before that, the main issue is it's incredibly boring and constantly feels like it's mocking you for wanting to see something interesting. But what about it is boring? That it's three hours of things that don't interest me? I don't know a way to be more direct than that. Be it Reigns, Charlotte, New Day, Rollins, whatever it's by and large shit I don't care about at best and actively hate at worst. It says something the guy I've been most invested in on Raw since the brand split is freaking Braun Strowman.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Oct 10, 2016 22:50:30 GMT -5
Less Foley/Stephanie. Less Roman Reigns. More wrestling. They have the talent. USE IT!!! More Jericho adding people/things to "THE LIST".
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Post by Sam Punk on Oct 10, 2016 22:51:47 GMT -5
I'd like to see them get rid of authority figures. Just have Cole kick off the show by announcing what matches we will be seeing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 22:59:45 GMT -5
People are sick of Mick Foley, The New Day being tag champions, Bruan squashes, Nia Jax squashes, Charlotte and Sasha banks hot-potatoing the women's title belt, The Club going nowhere, HHH storyline never advancing. Also they messed up the Cruiserweight division in so many ways, why do they have their own ring apron? They continue to use Brian Kendrick who is very boring in the ring, not one of the high flying talents that would really make the cruiserweight division shine. They messed up the Cesaro and Sheamus feud (people may like them being a tag team but still what they did wasted weeks of building). Just too much really, it all sucks.
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Oct 10, 2016 23:01:09 GMT -5
For me, it's generally just a really boring show with uninteresting angles and shoddy writing.
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Post by Perd on Oct 10, 2016 23:03:48 GMT -5
They're desperate to get the title picture out of the shasdow of authority angles. Every story is about who the authority figures want/or don't want as champion. It's beyond tiresome.
Take SD for example. A few weeks ago, Shane came out, set up the main event for No Mercy, and had little to no interaction with the participants thereafter. And we had a perfectly decent build without constant appearances from Shane or DB.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 10, 2016 23:06:07 GMT -5
its 3 hours. that's it to be honest. go back to two and condense what you got and i think the boredom goes down. Smackdown is only two and although it has yet to blow me away, its better to me because the show moves quickly and doesn't tire you out. You can focus on the good. Agreed. The main problem is that it's 3 hours, and it affects every aspect of the show. Matches get more time so there's more lulls in action, segments get more time so there's more corny jokes and "comedy" sketches, and we get more "wasting time" matches that don't matter in the slightest. Watch any 2-hour Raw from even the worst year and, even if there's shitty guest host antics or weird match, stuff at least flows at a certain rate. Compare that to now where we have some matches that go from a commercial to a rest hold to some stuff in between right into another commercial. That's not entertaining. And even worse, it gets the crowds so bored that guys have to launch their bodies into the barricades for anyone to give a shit and react. I understand the complaints about Stephanie, HHH, Foley, the commentary, or anything else, but at the end of the day, Raw is like the can of soup that you add water to; there's no flavor and it's bland.
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Oct 10, 2016 23:06:32 GMT -5
Overly long title reigns and handing out empty accomplishments to compensate for their lack of creativity in both story and character development , or in even shorter terms the show is boring.
Nothing feels meaningful they give me personally no reason to tune in the following week because their story telling is horrible and any semblence of interesting characters is non exsistent.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Oct 10, 2016 23:08:18 GMT -5
People are sick of Mick Foley, The New Day being tag champions, Bruan squashes, Nia Jax squashes, Charlotte and Sasha banks hot-potatoing the women's title belt, The Club going nowhere, HHH storyline never advancing. Also they messed up the Cruiserweight division in so many ways, why do they have their own ring apron? They continue to use Brian Kendrick who is very boring in the ring, not one of the high flying talents that would really make the cruiserweight division shine. They messed up the Cesaro and Sheamus feud (people may like them being a tag team but still what they did wasted weeks of building). Just too much really, it all sucks. A number of FAN aren't digging Foley sadly, but the crowd is still into him. I think you're right about everything except the Cruiserweights and Sheamus/Cesaro. There's nothing wrong with them having their own ropes as it makes their division unique and helps them stand out, and Kendrick is a good heel wrestler with a great feud with Perkins. Cesaro and Sheamus just got put together recently off that best of seven series which ran long, but they're arguing has been entertaining. It can lead to good character development for both of them when they get to be a better team. But there is something to there not being enough changes. Club should be built up, and while New Day are still fun and have the crowd on their side they need to build up other teams like Enzo & Cass to stand with them. Nia's matches need to go somewhere beyond Alicia now that she had a dominant win. Charlotte and Sasha have had good matches but Bayley and others need to be built up more soon.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 23:10:44 GMT -5
*Too much time. I like Smackdown, but I don't want it to be 3 hours either. I don't even think I'd want Owens/Jericho promos for 3 hours straight. (2 hours, sure.)
*Authority.
*Lots of drawn out stuff- goes back to time.
RAW is usually bombastic; Smackdown is usually methodical.
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