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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 22, 2017 15:49:54 GMT -5
Are they still begging fans to pay their rent for them? Like...this promotion sounds interesting, but that really put me off. Might help to know the reality of the situation. Their current place is too small and a lot of indies they work with are looking for a place to run that isn't expensive. They found a place and started asking for investors. After getting hundreds of requests to go to crowdfunding from fans they made that change. People could donate or buy tickets packages in advance to help secure a building that would be open to anyone wanting to run, plus a school and training place for wrestlers among other benefits. It was after certain northeast based promoters started rallying their fans this narrative about them begging for money showed up. Of course there same promoters are openly bitching about WrestleCircus paying more than the talent's booking rates, then streaming for free and now the tip thing since it makes their job harder. While crowd funding has gotten a bad rap, the blow back to their deal was ridiculous. The reaction to people in wrestling not going the carny route amazes me.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jun 22, 2017 15:50:25 GMT -5
Are they still begging fans to pay their rent for them? Like...this promotion sounds interesting, but that really put me off. It's funny to me how different people view that deal. From what I saw, WrestleCircus put out an announcement one day that they were looking at a new building - one that could house several local promotions along with a training school and become the new hub for Central Texas independant wrestling. Almost instantly, the super fans in this area got excited and began asking how they can help and if they could donate to the project. In response, WrestleCircus put up a IndieGoGo so fans could lend their monetary support in exchange for season tickets and various other "perks." Admittedly, it perhaps wasn't the most thought out idea, and it got them a lot of heat from people outside the area so they took it down less than 24 hours later and refunded everyone's money. I personally had no problems with the IndieGoGo thing, but I could see how that turns some people off. I know they are still working to acquire that building. The IndieGoGo thing was just one way of helping to generate some funds to make it happen. My problem with it was simply business. If you want to expand, and the money from DVD sales, live gates, streaming shows isn't enough to do it, then you shouldn't expand, period. I get that they're the hot new super-indy, but they're trying to do this too fast.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 22, 2017 15:57:15 GMT -5
It's funny to me how different people view that deal. From what I saw, WrestleCircus put out an announcement one day that they were looking at a new building - one that could house several local promotions along with a training school and become the new hub for Central Texas independant wrestling. Almost instantly, the super fans in this area got excited and began asking how they can help and if they could donate to the project. In response, WrestleCircus put up a IndieGoGo so fans could lend their monetary support in exchange for season tickets and various other "perks." Admittedly, it perhaps wasn't the most thought out idea, and it got them a lot of heat from people outside the area so they took it down less than 24 hours later and refunded everyone's money. I personally had no problems with the IndieGoGo thing, but I could see how that turns some people off. I know they are still working to acquire that building. The IndieGoGo thing was just one way of helping to generate some funds to make it happen. My problem with it was simply business. If you want to expand, and the money from DVD sales, live gates, streaming shows isn't enough to do it, then you shouldn't expand, period. I get that they're the hot new super-indy, but they're trying to do this too fast. DVD sales are non-existant for most indies. There is nothing to be made and only leads to piracy. Streaming was done for free, now on Twitch so there will be some money there hopefully. That leaves ticket sales, which unless you want to price people out like PWG had done, won't allow for growth like changing buildings. They have done things different because the old ways aren't always the best now. As I've said, I think the crowd funding thing for wrestling is dead because of the abuse others have committed but I don't fault them for trying, especially when their fans pushed for it. Shit changes and wrestling needs to catch up.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jun 22, 2017 16:01:08 GMT -5
My problem with it was simply business. If you want to expand, and the money from DVD sales, live gates, streaming shows isn't enough to do it, then you shouldn't expand, period. I get that they're the hot new super-indy, but they're trying to do this too fast. DVD sales are non-existant for most indies. There is nothing to be made and only leads to piracy. Streaming was done for free, now on Twitch so there will be some money there hopefully. That leaves ticket sales, which unless you want to price people out like PWG had done, won't allow for growth like changing buildings. They have done things different because the old ways aren't always the best now. As I've said, I think the crowd funding thing for wrestling is dead because of the abuse others have committed but I don't fault them for trying, especially when their fans pushed for it. Shit changes and wrestling needs to catch up. Then I say again, if they didn't have the capital to expand, they shouldn't have tried it. If they had people independently interested in helping fund that growth? Awesome. But taking it public and saying "Hey, fans in Philly/Atlanta/NY, wanna help contribute to this for a bunch of rewards you'll never get to use?" was a dumb move.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 22, 2017 16:24:39 GMT -5
DVD sales are non-existant for most indies. There is nothing to be made and only leads to piracy. Streaming was done for free, now on Twitch so there will be some money there hopefully. That leaves ticket sales, which unless you want to price people out like PWG had done, won't allow for growth like changing buildings. They have done things different because the old ways aren't always the best now. As I've said, I think the crowd funding thing for wrestling is dead because of the abuse others have committed but I don't fault them for trying, especially when their fans pushed for it. Shit changes and wrestling needs to catch up. Then I say again, if they didn't have the capital to expand, they shouldn't have tried it. If they had people independently interested in helping fund that growth? Awesome. But taking it public and saying "Hey, fans in Philly/Atlanta/NY, wanna help contribute to this for a bunch of rewards you'll never get to use?" was a dumb move. : 1) They never asked people to do anything. Like any business they went looking for investors. That is a normal business practice. 2) Their fans, the people in this area, asked them to set up a donation page so they could help. No rewards, no free anything, just we like your product and want to help. Their fans wanted that and it was WrestleCircus who shot it down originally and started a crowd funding page after the fans tried to do one on their own. 3) Not only did they never ask people outside this area to help, those people don't have to. No one holds a gun to your head on this shit, people are free to donate to these things as they please. Sorry but your whole deal doesn't mesh with the reality of the situation. Yes, again, crowd funding is all but dead in wrestling, it is a bad look but they weren't going out and begging for people across the country to give them money for nothing or to fleece some marks.
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Post by percymania on Jun 24, 2017 5:39:23 GMT -5
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 24, 2017 7:30:59 GMT -5
Well damn, with a free Twitch show there's no reason not for me to check this out and give them a spin
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Post by eJm on Jun 24, 2017 11:14:48 GMT -5
Well damn, with a free Twitch show there's no reason not for me to check this out and give them a spin Pretty much, no excuses for not watching it now (except it starts at 11pm here but hey, it's a Saturday night).
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 24, 2017 16:12:55 GMT -5
Jeff Cobb is off tonight's show. Don't know if he's sick or injured but he canceled both his weekend bookings.
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Post by eJm on Jun 24, 2017 16:24:40 GMT -5
Boo! I hadn't ever seen Cobb (well not wearing a monster uniform) perform live so would have been nice to see that.
But the card is stacked already so it's not a HUGE loss.
Hope he's ok, though.
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Post by eJm on Jun 24, 2017 18:10:51 GMT -5
...is the pyro confetti from the ceiling?
I'm sold, WrestleCircus.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 24, 2017 18:13:42 GMT -5
You se someone near the entrance in a damn near Barney purple shirt, wave hi to me. I won't see it but it's the thought you know.
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Post by eJm on Jun 24, 2017 18:17:39 GMT -5
THE DIVE-O-METER!
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Post by eJm on Jun 24, 2017 18:28:15 GMT -5
Shelton Benjamin just tweeted continuing his "feud" with Mia Yim so he's on the show tonight potentially.
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Post by eJm on Jun 24, 2017 18:48:05 GMT -5
"SCORPIO SKY IS THE BEST!" "BULLS***!"
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 24, 2017 19:23:24 GMT -5
Well, it is Caturday.
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Post by eJm on Jun 24, 2017 19:30:05 GMT -5
That double headlock spot was the best.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 24, 2017 19:38:35 GMT -5
SPACE MONKEY!
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Post by eJm on Jun 24, 2017 19:41:40 GMT -5
So Joey answered the question of how a man would walk with three belts.
Really awkwardly.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 24, 2017 19:51:16 GMT -5
Stone Cold Leva Bates.
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