H-Virus
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Post by H-Virus on Oct 23, 2016 16:19:11 GMT -5
-if The Streak had been ended before it became his annual storyline.
I'm pretty sure it was around Wrestlemania 18 or 19 that the company really started pushing how he'd never lost at one before, and all of his opponents started challenging him not due to a grudge or personal feud, but just so they could have bragging rights about breaking the streak.
But what if Kane or Sid or Diesel or even Giant Gonzales had defeated him in their WM matches, essentially ending The Streak before it could even become a thing. If that had been the case, how do you think people today would view the Dead Man? The Streak has pretty much eclipsed the entirety of his career these days; nobody really talks much about his title reigns or any of his major feuds outside of Kane, Austin and Foley. Do you think he would have retired completely back in 2010-2011 instead of transitioning into a part-timer and then into a twice-a-year-if-you're-lucky guy?
And what about Wrestlemania as a whole? Think of how much more average or downright bad some of the WMs from the last ten years would have seemed if not for Taker defending his streak against Hunter, Michaels, Lesnar, Edge and so on. Sure, you could have still done those matches, but without that huge prize hanging over it, I guarantee they wouldn't have felt anywhere near as special. Heck, maybe WWE would have kept going with it after his loss, but instead of "Never lost a match at Mania" they just switched it to "More wins than anyone ever". Even if they did, it still wouldn't be nearly as impressive.
EDIT: Wrong spot, could a mod please move this?
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Post by RIHT on Oct 24, 2016 13:23:44 GMT -5
Yeah, that would have honestly hurt him a lot, but they could maybe say he was on a winning streak (with maybe only one loss).
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Oct 24, 2016 13:26:58 GMT -5
I was thinking about this recently, what with the original plan for WM8 being a match with Sid where Sid would go over. I actually wonder which matches he still would've won, or would've lost because The Streak wouldn't have needed to be protected.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 16:14:27 GMT -5
His match with Orton at 21 was damn good, but without the Streak? Orton probably wins.
(I still say he should have been The 1, blah blah blah.)
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 24, 2016 16:27:53 GMT -5
His match with Orton at 21 was damn good, but without the Streak? Orton probably wins. (I still say he should have been The 1, blah blah blah.) Orton turned it down according to the stories. I believe he offered it to Batista to years later but he turned it down as well |
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Post by diablodor on Oct 24, 2016 17:16:05 GMT -5
Was there not a rumour that Shawn turned up backstage "in no condition to perform" that changed the WrestleMania X7 match from a HHH win & DX reunion.
Hell, the Giant Gonzales match at WM9 could have easily had the Chloroform spot lead to a double DQ and the whole storyline would be moot.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Oct 24, 2016 17:40:44 GMT -5
Was there not a rumour that Shawn turned up backstage "in no condition to perform" that changed the WrestleMania X7 match from a HHH win & DX reunion. Hell, the Giant Gonzales match at WM9 could have easily had the Chloroform spot lead to a double DQ and the whole storyline would be moot. I didn't hear about a DX reunion, or that HHH would've went over, but I do know what you're talking about happened at the Nitro simulcast Raw, in which Shawn was to play a role but was sent home. |
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Post by Reflecto on Oct 24, 2016 18:28:57 GMT -5
His match with Orton at 21 was damn good, but without the Streak? Orton probably wins. (I still say he should have been The 1, blah blah blah.) Even beyond whether Orton refused or not, it also leads to the other question of how different ORTON'S career would be if the Undertaker lost his streak. Orton had a huge, long reign at the top- but even despite this long reign...it's always kind of seemed like he's just there. He was a top star, sometimes the best heel in WWE...but he seemed like he never had that one calling card that made him truly SIGNIFICANT in WWE history yet, instead just being...some dude who was champ a bunch of times, but never an icon of the business. The closest thing Randy Orton has to that one "yes, Randy Orton MATTERED to wrestling history": The Mania 21 match being the match that turned it from 'hey, Undertaker never lost at Wrestlemania yet, did he?" to "THE STREAK" (and the feud went officially from grudges/personal feuds to "have bragging rights about breaking The Streak". Take the Streak out of the picture, and it probably lessens both guys' auras. |
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Post by sunnytaker on Oct 24, 2016 18:51:09 GMT -5
i don't think they paid much attention to it until it hit 10-0. then it was like "hey we got an undefeated streak at wrestlemania." i think edge might have been considered at one point when he was 4-0 or 5-0 or something like that, though they seemed to change their mind after edge had some triple threat tag match loss or something the mania before so instead of streak vs streak it was streak vs "well I've never been pinned or submitted at wrestlemania."
orton was the first one that i thought would do it given the whole "legend killer" thing and what bigger legend to take out than the streak? that would have made him the top heel for a while i think. i recall reading taker wanted Kane to be the one who ended it but kane refused as well. Taker would have probably retired after HBK 1 i'm thinking without the streak to worry about- though without the streak would that match have even taken place?
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Post by mizerable on Oct 25, 2016 13:35:00 GMT -5
I'm not one to say that the streak should've been broken by an up and comers, but Orton is the closest to it and it would've been his defining moment. At the same time, Orton's future while bright, was still sort of without direction especially since he ended up dropping the Legend Killer gimmick soon after.
Taker I see having a similar career, but I do think he would've retired after like 2007 or 2008 since he didn't have much to really show besides the streak. The streak kept him always coming back.
WWE shit the bed on Edge's streak with that MITB match though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 14:28:10 GMT -5
His match with Orton at 21 was damn good, but without the Streak? Orton probably wins. (I still say he should have been The 1, blah blah blah.) You have to keep in mind Orton was working hurt anyway. Him winning would've been pretty dumb when Taker stuck around after that and Orton was written out the next night and out like six months. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 25, 2016 15:04:01 GMT -5
It would have meant there would have been some intrigue to his matches, with the streak you went in assuming he'd win because there was no chance a devalued Randy Orton, a hated (and not in the good way) Triple H or Mark Henry were going to beat him to end something they were using as part of a Wrestlemania tradition.
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