JTH
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Post by JTH on Oct 28, 2016 21:40:51 GMT -5
If Steve Beurelein started every game for the 1992 Cowboys instead of Troy Aikman, they still would have won the Super Bowl Throw in any name there. Billy Joe Tolliver, Chris Chandler, Mike Tomczak, anyone. Any QB would have won those Super Bowls with the Cowboys in the 90s. Those teams were so leaps and bounds better than everyone else it was almost a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 11:00:18 GMT -5
Here's one for ya. I live in New York City, and there are teams that constantly get the short end of the stick (Or in this case, the least of the back page of the local newspaper.). Whether it's the Islanders, Mets (Who have since outdistanced the Yankees now.), or the Nets, it's a reality that some teams in the city just aren't going to get any spotlight shone on them for one reason or another. Which brings me to the Chicago White Sox. Now, I'm well-aware that the Pale Hose are largely irrelevant at this time due to their GM/Ownership being a bunch of stubborn clueless doofuses. But over the last 15-20 years of closely following baseball, I have never seen a franchise get so neglected in favor of another team that shares the city. The White Sox are such an afterthought, and particularly right now, that they may as well be playing in Des Moines. Being a White Sox fan is a lot like the old axiom about wrestling, "Those who understand need no explanation. To those who don't understand, no explanation will be enough." Bill Veeck famously said something I will take to my grave: "Being a White Sox fan should resolve a man from any other form of penance." The Cubs have a lot of things on their side. The majority of people writing blogs or articles about the Cubs are, surprisingly, Cub fans from their youth. The folks in their 60s who remember THE 1960s into the '70s as a time much like today; the perfect storm of how a team with young players hitting their stride with veteran players properly marketed as "must-see" athletes winning more often than they lost. You didn't have to hunt for them on TV or the radio; WGN was synonymous with the Cubs for almost 90 years. When kids came home from school, the Cubs were on. Every decade since the 1960s has had a Cub team grab hold of the city and hope maybe - just maybe - this "curse" will finally be broken. They are marketed well. "Beautiful Wrigley Field" was the tagline since at least the 1930s. Games in the sunshine, the way baseball was meant to be played. Ivy on the walls, I love the scoreboard and the flags flying denoting division races. The Sox get forgotten about because, quite honestly, they are a nomad or wayward soldier in the city. Rare was the time the Sox stayed on one radio station or TV station for a long time; they jumped around a lot. They have a history of notoriously cheap ownership, which meant decades of "not good enough to contend, but not bad enough to be awful". They lived in mediocrity. Comiskey Park was a cavernous dive where home runs went to die. The team centered around pitching and defense. (Scoring runs might help, fellas.) There is no real history of winning when you've won 2 World Series/5 pennants in 115 years. (6 pennants if you count 1901, when there was no World Series.) The Sox were linked to picking up stakes and moving at least 3 different times. (Way to build off of 1983, folks.) Right now, Reinsdorf is loyal to a tremendous fault. There are guys who should not have jobs for the team still working there. (Don Cooper, Kenny Williams for instance.) God bless Brooks Boyer for trying hard to get people to care about the White Sox through marketing, but most of their fan base comes from generations upon generations of (disappointed) White Sox fans. My mom is (as her dad was before her) a White Sox fan. My dad was a Milwaukee Braves fan in Wisconsin (favorite players were Eddie Mathews and Lew Burdette), so his two favorite teams were the Braves (a Cub rival) and the White Sox. And, quite honestly, my first game (and a lot of games afterwards) were at Comiskey Park. My church took a bus there a few times a year. Easy to get to off the Dan Ryan. I didn't go to Wrigley Field until I turned 14. (My die-hard Cub fan uncle was like, "You've never been there? Oh, we're changing that.") I hope this gives some idea why things just are the way they are.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 30, 2016 15:47:17 GMT -5
I don't know if this is a popular opinion or not, but I feel like at this point, the MLB Hall of Fame is more defined by who is not in it than is.
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Post by trust on Oct 30, 2016 23:34:20 GMT -5
When a team is killing another team, like 40-0, then the winning team puts their 2nd or 3rd string players in the game and they still manage to score a few points. I hate it when the announcers act like that the winning team are thugs by scoring more points. It is not the winning teams fault that they are good, it is not the winning teams fault that the losing team sucks. I love the Vikings, but if they ever get their ass handed to them, I do not think that the team that is beating them should ease up on them. If the score is Packers 75 Vikings 0, then the Packers 3 string is better than the Vikings starting team (at least for that game).
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 31, 2016 6:22:18 GMT -5
When a team is killing another team, like 40-0, then the winning team puts their 2nd or 3rd string players in the game and they still manage to score a few points. I hate it when the announcers act like that the winning team are thugs by scoring more points. It is not the winning teams fault that they are good, it is not the winning teams fault that the losing team sucks. I love the Vikings, but if they ever get their ass handed to them, I do not think that the team that is beating them should ease up on them. If the score is Packers 75 Vikings 0, then the Packers 3 string is better than the Vikings starting team (at least for that game). I absolutely loathe the "running up the score" whining. You're pro athletes. These defenses are full of guys who make more money in their careers than I'll ever see. Don't wanna get embarrassed? Don't let someone hang 50 points on you. It's that simple
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Post by ibdude on Oct 31, 2016 7:43:06 GMT -5
Now I love the NFL, and I love the NBA during the playoffs, but I think pro sports are rigged to a certain extent. There's way too much money involved for it not to be.
Check this out: the 2 back to back ties in the NFL this week and last week I think are tied to the World Series.
Get this: the last time there were ties in back to back weeks in the NFL was 1997. The Redskins were involved in the 2nd of the ties of each respective year. That year the Indians lost the World Series in 7 games to the Florida Marlins.
Golden State overcame a 3-1 deficit to against OKC to get to the Finals. The Cleveland Cavaliers overcame a 3-1 deficit against GS to win the Finals who were the best team in the league. That win gave the city of Cleveland a championship which it hadn't had for over 50 years.
Now in the World Series, the Cubs are down 3-1 and will come back to win in 7 games and will give the Cubs a championship which they haven't won in 108 years. Just something I've been thinking about. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I think this is too connected for me not to be.
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 31, 2016 7:52:04 GMT -5
When a team is killing another team, like 40-0, then the winning team puts their 2nd or 3rd string players in the game and they still manage to score a few points. I hate it when the announcers act like that the winning team are thugs by scoring more points. It is not the winning teams fault that they are good, it is not the winning teams fault that the losing team sucks. I love the Vikings, but if they ever get their ass handed to them, I do not think that the team that is beating them should ease up on them. If the score is Packers 75 Vikings 0, then the Packers 3 string is better than the Vikings starting team (at least for that game). I absolutely loathe the "running up the score" whining. You're pro athletes. These defenses are full of guys who make more money in their careers than I'll ever see. Don't wanna get embarrassed? Don't let someone hang 50 points on you. It's that simple That's pretty close to how I feel. Running up the score stops becoming a thing when athletes are getting paid. Contracts on are on line. If you can get 7 touchdowns and 600+ yards by stomping a mudhole in some worthless team's ass, you do it. If you want to stop that from happening, well, get better. That said, the waters get muddied in college a little bit. I have no issue with say... Oklahoma hanging a 60-3 blowout on another Division 1 school like Iowa State, Texas Tech or Kansas. I feel a little different if they are playing a Div2 cupcake and are hanging up 60+ points and still have starters in the game. That game, by design, isn't supposed to be competitive. That said, 2nd/3rd stringers shouldn't ever hold back. Sorry, not going to tell a kid that rarely plays to hold back. Go for the glory kid!
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Post by sfvega on Oct 31, 2016 15:01:48 GMT -5
Now I love the NFL, and I love the NBA during the playoffs, but I think pro sports are rigged to a certain extent. There's way too much money involved for it not to be. Check this out: the 2 back to back ties in the NFL this week and last week I think are tied to the World Series. Get this: the last time there were ties in back to back weeks in the NFL was 1997. The Redskins were involved in the 2nd of the ties of each respective year. That year the Indians lost the World Series in 7 games to the Florida Marlins. Golden State overcame a 3-1 deficit to against OKC to get to the Finals. The Cleveland Cavaliers overcame a 3-1 deficit against GS to win the Finals who were the best team in the league. That win gave the city of Cleveland a championship which it hadn't had for over 50 years. Now in the World Series, the Cubs are down 3-1 and will come back to win in 7 games and will give the Cubs a championship which they haven't won in 108 years. Just something I've been thinking about. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I think this is too connected for me not to be. There's actually too much money involved for it to be rigged. Imagine if someone blew the whistle on a league-wide (refs) conspiracy for one team to win the NBA championship. The NBA wouldn't be ruined, but they'd take a HUGE hit felt by pretty much every owner. Fans would turn away in droves. It's so risky, especially now when players are forcing themselves to major markets all on their own. The less meddling the league does with it, the better off they are. All they'd be doing is killing the golden goose. The rest just sounds like a tinfoil hat theory.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Oct 31, 2016 16:03:31 GMT -5
When a team is killing another team, like 40-0, then the winning team puts their 2nd or 3rd string players in the game and they still manage to score a few points. I hate it when the announcers act like that the winning team are thugs by scoring more points. It is not the winning teams fault that they are good, it is not the winning teams fault that the losing team sucks. I love the Vikings, but if they ever get their ass handed to them, I do not think that the team that is beating them should ease up on them. If the score is Packers 75 Vikings 0, then the Packers 3 string is better than the Vikings starting team (at least for that game). It bothers me 0% when this happens in the NFL,because even the possible 0-16 Browns are all professionals and multiple guys on their team could make any squad in the league. In College football though when like an Alabama or Ohio State,schedule like Prairie View A&M or ITT Tech and beat them 70-0 that bothers me because School A. legit has at least a dozen guys who will become pro's and school B could get beat by the top high school teams in the country. In general I hate that about college football how teams pick their own schedule and still get ranking points for essentially squash matches.
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Post by ibdude on Oct 31, 2016 19:17:54 GMT -5
Now I love the NFL, and I love the NBA during the playoffs, but I think pro sports are rigged to a certain extent. There's way too much money involved for it not to be. Check this out: the 2 back to back ties in the NFL this week and last week I think are tied to the World Series. Get this: the last time there were ties in back to back weeks in the NFL was 1997. The Redskins were involved in the 2nd of the ties of each respective year. That year the Indians lost the World Series in 7 games to the Florida Marlins. Golden State overcame a 3-1 deficit to against OKC to get to the Finals. The Cleveland Cavaliers overcame a 3-1 deficit against GS to win the Finals who were the best team in the league. That win gave the city of Cleveland a championship which it hadn't had for over 50 years. Now in the World Series, the Cubs are down 3-1 and will come back to win in 7 games and will give the Cubs a championship which they haven't won in 108 years. Just something I've been thinking about. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I think this is too connected for me not to be. There's actually too much money involved for it to be rigged. Imagine if someone blew the whistle on a league-wide (refs) conspiracy for one team to win the NBA championship. The NBA wouldn't be ruined, but they'd take a HUGE hit felt by pretty much every owner. Fans would turn away in droves. It's so risky, especially now when players are forcing themselves to major markets all on their own. The less meddling the league does with it, the better off they are. All they'd be doing is killing the golden goose. The rest just sounds like a tinfoil hat theory. I'm not going to argue with you, but when you look up the fact that almost all of the original owners of the NFL have ties to organized crime or got rich off of gambling, like the Rooneys and the Maras then it'll all start to make sense.
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 31, 2016 19:21:07 GMT -5
There's actually too much money involved for it to be rigged. Imagine if someone blew the whistle on a league-wide (refs) conspiracy for one team to win the NBA championship. The NBA wouldn't be ruined, but they'd take a HUGE hit felt by pretty much every owner. Fans would turn away in droves. It's so risky, especially now when players are forcing themselves to major markets all on their own. The less meddling the league does with it, the better off they are. All they'd be doing is killing the golden goose. The rest just sounds like a tinfoil hat theory. I'm not going to argue with you, but when you look up the fact that almost all of the original owners of the NFL have ties to organized crime or got rich off of gambling, like the Rooneys and the Maras then it'll all start to make sense. It's almost like some rich people are involved with shady shit. UNHEARD OF! If somebody's worth more than 100 million, it's almost impossible to be 100% spotless. Shit, most of us are worth jackcrap and we still have our skeletons. Humans are Human.
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Post by ibdude on Oct 31, 2016 21:03:30 GMT -5
I'm not going to argue with you, but when you look up the fact that almost all of the original owners of the NFL have ties to organized crime or got rich off of gambling, like the Rooneys and the Maras then it'll all start to make sense. It's almost like some rich people are involved with shady shit. UNHEARD OF! If somebody's worth more than 100 million, it's almost impossible to be 100% spotless. Shit, most of us are worth jackcrap and we still have our skeletons. Humans are Human. Well I know that, but what I'm saying is to just look into this and don't believe that all of this real. There's too much money involved. I'm not going to argue though and this all I have to say about it. If we argue it will go nowhere.
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Post by sfvega on Nov 1, 2016 6:06:30 GMT -5
There's actually too much money involved for it to be rigged. Imagine if someone blew the whistle on a league-wide (refs) conspiracy for one team to win the NBA championship. The NBA wouldn't be ruined, but they'd take a HUGE hit felt by pretty much every owner. Fans would turn away in droves. It's so risky, especially now when players are forcing themselves to major markets all on their own. The less meddling the league does with it, the better off they are. All they'd be doing is killing the golden goose. The rest just sounds like a tinfoil hat theory. I'm not going to argue with you, but when you look up the fact that almost all of the original owners of the NFL have ties to organized crime or got rich off of gambling, like the Rooneys and the Maras then it'll all start to make sense. The Maras have owned the Giants since....forever? How is what they did a hundred years ago relevant to the leagues being fixed today? Also, guess what a league-wide rigging of a sport ALSO crushes? The gambling industry. There's so much at stake with a concerted effort to rig an entire outcome to a season. Now, the NBA Draft lottery.....yeah, it's rigged. It's all done behind closed doors and self-policed. It'd be hard to NOT believe it's rigged.
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 1, 2016 8:29:04 GMT -5
The Golden State Warriors are taking a massive gamble. By sacrificing all their depth and going 100% Full-Offense... what happens when a single starter gets hurt?
Most teams can absorb one big injury to a starter (unless it's their #1 star). The Warriors have positioned themselves to not only be unable to do that, but if a couple of the starters are playing at 80% going into the playoffs they are screwed. Their entire game-plan seems to be "We'll trade buckets and pull away eventually". Even minor injuries can kill that gameplan. A single finger gets jammed and that delicate balance just got thrown out of wack.
Yes, I fully believe they are capable of winning it all. I'd be a moron not to say that. But their "protection" against a starter injury is ZERO. That's such a high risk it's actually stupid they put themselves in that position.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Nov 1, 2016 12:15:26 GMT -5
Most of mine center around Atlanta teams.
- Atlanta as a whole has the worst sports fans on the planet. If one of the teams happens to not be winning, they flock to a team that is. If one of their teams DO start winning games (Such as the Falcons this season), suddenly the whole city/area evolve into die-hard fans. They're the most bandwagon-y of bandwagon fans.
- Matt Ryan is not a great QB. The "Matty Ice" garbage is a complete joke.
- Bobby Cox is the most overrated manager in baseball history. Ted Turner gave him teams absolutely loaded with talent. They go to multiple World Series and win one. Most other managers would have dominated year in, year out with the talent he had.
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Post by Reflecto on Nov 1, 2016 14:53:16 GMT -5
There's actually too much money involved for it to be rigged. Imagine if someone blew the whistle on a league-wide (refs) conspiracy for one team to win the NBA championship. The NBA wouldn't be ruined, but they'd take a HUGE hit felt by pretty much every owner. Fans would turn away in droves. It's so risky, especially now when players are forcing themselves to major markets all on their own. The less meddling the league does with it, the better off they are. All they'd be doing is killing the golden goose. The rest just sounds like a tinfoil hat theory. I don't believe theres a league-wide referee's conspiracy to make a team win a title... but having said that, I DO believe that there is more of a risk to get star players into major markets or get top incoming stars into lower-tier teams that the league badly wants to be a major market again in an attempt to make those bigger eventually, which would inevitably do the same thing. There's probably no "Adam Silver goes to the referees and says, for example, "we need to make a new Jordan- the Cavaliers get every call from now until they win the title so Lebron gives Cleveland a championship and he's in the discussion for GOAT!", but at the same time, and this would count as a hot take/opinion for pro sports... -There is no doubt in my mind that after Hurricane Katrina ravaged the city and it looked like things were at their worst in 2005, Tom Benson went to the NFL owners en masse and said outright "I would rather stay in San Antonio where the city isn't destroyed, but if the Saints leave after Katrina the NFL is going to look like monsters. With that in mind...make sure the Saints get Drew Brees and Reggie Bush this offseason or I'm not returning to New Orleans."
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Post by JTH on Nov 1, 2016 15:06:40 GMT -5
- Bobby Cox is the most overrated manager in baseball history. Ted Turner gave him teams absolutely loaded with talent. They go to multiple World Series and win one. Most other managers would have dominated year in, year out with the talent he had. To be fair, he had to go through the Yankees who every year had even more than "absolutely loaded with talent". Good thing he got his 1 before the Yankees really took off. That 98-2000 NYY run was just ridiculous, 3 World Series, 3 Titles, 2 Sweeps & the other went to 5. It was almost criminal.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 1, 2016 15:19:51 GMT -5
- Matt Ryan is not a great QB. The "Matty Ice" garbage is a complete joke. Can we be best friends? I've NEVER understood the love for Matt Ryan
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Nov 1, 2016 20:59:00 GMT -5
- Matt Ryan is not a great QB. The "Matty Ice" garbage is a complete joke. Can we be best friends? I've NEVER understood the love for Matt Ryan
He's probably going to the HOF
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Post by sfvega on Nov 1, 2016 21:11:01 GMT -5
Can we be best friends? I've NEVER understood the love for Matt Ryan
He's probably going to the HOF
The HOF is going to get very dicey when it comes to this generation of QBs. Outside of the top 3 or 5, everybody puts up very good numbers and there's a ton of turnover between guys behind them. The near-elite QB group is always plentiful and different, so sorting through these guys is going to be a complete mess.
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