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Post by horseface on Oct 26, 2016 14:35:59 GMT -5
They did say they were going to stop considering NXT as a developmental, so it would make sense in that context that certain guys would just stay there forever, on WWE's in-house indy fed. It's kind of lame though. What a weird spot NXT is in right now. There is basically 2 forms of NXT, the TV brand and the Developmental Brand. The Developmental brand run the local house shows and are generally people being trained to get ready for the TV Brand. Yeah, but I'm thinking about NXT to Raw or Smackdown. Like, are they just not going to ever put guys like Joe and Nakamura on the main shows? It seems like a bit of a waste to have all these guys and never give them a run on the main shows. Imagine if Styles had gone through NXT like this but got stuck there.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 26, 2016 14:46:56 GMT -5
Looking at wiki, he's been wrestling since 2002. As much as a running joke as he is, he's more experienced than most of NXT.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 15:38:10 GMT -5
Looking at wiki, he's been wrestling since 2002. As much as a running joke as he is, he's more experienced than most of NXT. Not saying this is necessarily the case, but you can spend years as a pro wrestler and essentially wrestle like once or twice a month like that one woman from Tough Enough that claimed to be in the business for years. I have no doubt that she felt that way and that there was a seed of truth to it, just that she likely wrestled a few times, took a break, wrestled a little bit more, etc. Ellsworth debuted in 2002 according to that, but I somehow (and I could be wrong, no doubt about that) think that he wasn't wrestling multiple times a week, traveling from company to company, for fourteen years and performing at a high level. Nothing wrong if that's the case, but you can certainly do something at a low level for over a decade and still be relatively inexperienced at doing it at a high level. Like, in terms of years, he'd have more experience than, say, Cody Rhodes but he wouldn't have the experience that Cody Rhodes has.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Oct 26, 2016 16:35:25 GMT -5
When ellsworth is done with his current storyline, i think he should become a part of the cruiserweight division. He would be a nice contrast to the "vanilla midget" gang. Only if we get Ellsworth versus Kenneth Johnson. I will also accept Ellsworth versus Hoho Lun.
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Post by joeiscool on Oct 26, 2016 16:39:40 GMT -5
He also skips leg day.
And arm day
and chin day
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Post by joeiscool on Oct 26, 2016 17:38:12 GMT -5
There is basically 2 forms of NXT, the TV brand and the Developmental Brand. The Developmental brand run the local house shows and are generally people being trained to get ready for the TV Brand. Yeah, but I'm thinking about NXT to Raw or Smackdown. Like, are they just not going to ever put guys like Joe and Nakamura on the main shows? It seems like a bit of a waste to have all these guys and never give them a run on the main shows. Imagine if Styles had gone through NXT like this but got stuck there. as much as they are paying these guys best believe they are going to use them on the main roster. No matter how good smarks think nxt is there will be more people watching Raw and smack down.
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Post by horseface on Oct 26, 2016 18:17:35 GMT -5
Those smarks are a niche audience that NXT is specifically appealing to--people who aren't into the WWE main roster style of wrestling. And now unlike a few years ago, NXT is touring and having PPVs and house shows outside of Florida. So that changes things a little bit. They now can't just send everyone up to the main shows. They have to have their own draws. So it makes it more difficult to just send the guys who are ready up.
Yeah more people watch the main shows. But if they think that keeping someone like Joe, Nakamura, Asuka, Roode etc to appeal to that niche audience then that's what they'll do. Remember how they were saying "NXT The End" signified the end of the brand as purely developmental. I have mixed feelings on it all myself.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Oct 26, 2016 18:46:08 GMT -5
There is basically 2 forms of NXT, the TV brand and the Developmental Brand. The Developmental brand run the local house shows and are generally people being trained to get ready for the TV Brand. Yeah, but I'm thinking about NXT to Raw or Smackdown. Like, are they just not going to ever put guys like Joe and Nakamura on the main shows? It seems like a bit of a waste to have all these guys and never give them a run on the main shows. Imagine if Styles had gone through NXT like this but got stuck there. To me, what's the waste is 2-3 million viewers of RAW when those same 2-3 million could watch NXT instead (or also), which is a better product. Not saying there aren't reasons as to why, but the effect of reasons on viewership is the real waste (to me). "3 hours is soooo long." "How can they make RAW better?" "I'm still watching, buuuuut..." Yet somehow one hour a week for a better and more fun product is asking too much apparently. It's all in what one is told to watch. By name alone, viewers are told NXT is inferior, so don't bother as long as you watch RAW. Internet marks (for lack of a better term) still watch it and complain and then can't be bothered with the latest on NxT clogging up their time and right to spew hatred and cynicism and memes at the abominable decision-making on RAW.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Oct 26, 2016 19:26:40 GMT -5
Ellsworth skipped developmental because he wasn't supposed to get the notoriety he's gotten. It's largely organic.
The decision to keep him on the roster is a business one. Striking while the iron is hot to keep making dat merch money.
It's not comparable to guys like Nakamura etc. they're expected to be long term players, Ellsworth isn't.
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Post by wahoowah11 on Oct 27, 2016 7:27:54 GMT -5
Kayfabe speaking, they had to eat the other member to survive So did the spirit squad 2.0 Technically speaking they finished developmental YEARS ago
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 27, 2016 8:25:13 GMT -5
The guys with experience of North American wrestling aren't there to learn the ropes, they're there to act as a selling point now they're using NXT as a touring brand and as Network content. They're not going to get the people they need through the door to stem NXT's losses on home grown talent and Japanese names alone.
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Post by Session Moth is over on Oct 27, 2016 11:07:58 GMT -5
In all seriousness, I wonder if WWE actually wants to call up guys like Joe and Roode, or just wants them to bolster NXT. Nakamura will likely go to the main roster, but I don't know, I don't know if WWE wants to send Aries up or something. If Joe doesn't go to the main roster then they are losing out. On the other side, I dread the day he is turned face so he has to turn into the sarcastic, funny, wise cracking face that all Main Event faces must be.
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Post by Perfect Timing on Oct 27, 2016 11:45:28 GMT -5
He's too good looking for developmental.
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