Fundertaker
El Dandy
Hideo Kojima should direct every ending ever!
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Post by Fundertaker on Nov 23, 2016 17:02:27 GMT -5
If I had to guess, I would say Heyman is sick of telling the ECW story for the 9000th time. The Disney thing was a whopper, but he completely backs off the "Vince funneling money into ECW" story that has been accepted as fact since The Rise and Fall of ECW. I think that might of been more Paul saying he himself wasn't officially on the pay role not denying wwe was giving them money. Maybe? Yeah, that was my take on it. And Vince's words on the Rise and Fall of ECW were "we were sending a check to Paul every month", but that doesn't mean he was under payroll. It might've been Vince's first foray into the "development fed" thing he later developed with HWA and OVW.
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Post by chronocross on Nov 23, 2016 18:31:20 GMT -5
I did catch towards the end of the show with the Fed-Ex story which was funny, did they cover any new ground?
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Nov 24, 2016 3:47:54 GMT -5
Sigh. Stupid f***ing changing to black and white when blood is on-screen. It's TV-14 for christ's sake.
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Post by devilfish on Nov 26, 2016 17:44:33 GMT -5
Not to sound dumb, but does anyone know where I can find this in the network collections?
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Cranjis McBasketball
Crow T. Robot
Knew what the hell that thing was supposed to be
Peace Love and Nothing But
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 26, 2016 18:11:32 GMT -5
Not to sound dumb, but does anyone know where I can find this in the network collections? I'll guess under ECW or the podcast section. Probably ECW though.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Nov 26, 2016 19:36:44 GMT -5
ECW should be left to rest. I say this as a long time fan. WWE botched the legacy with WWECW.
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Goon
AC Slater
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Post by Goon on Nov 27, 2016 4:12:39 GMT -5
Not to sound dumb, but does anyone know where I can find this in the network collections? Shows -> Originals At the Moment it is the third in that list. You can further filter down the search by using the pulldown menu and select Original Specials. (this is for the PC version of the network, but I assume at least the Shows/Originals section should be there at other versions as well)
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Nov 27, 2016 11:10:41 GMT -5
Tommy Dreamer and Paul Heyman crying got to me.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Nov 27, 2016 14:12:06 GMT -5
ECW should be left to rest. I say this as a long time fan. WWE botched the legacy with WWECW. I've mixed feelings on this all said. Yes, the first couple of years as an afterthought, quasi-hardcore 3rd brand did a lot to kill "ECW!" chants throughout a lot of the country. However, the proto-NXT deal it became towards the ends of its run is kind of a fitting legacy for what ECW probably would have become had they stayed in business. The "wrestling" show, with rookies in bulk and a couple of vets holding down the place. Well, then the final champ was Big Zeke, so yeah, probably best left dead.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 14:39:38 GMT -5
ECW should be left to rest. I say this as a long time fan. WWE botched the legacy with WWECW. I've mixed feelings on this all said. Yes, the first couple of years as an afterthought, quasi-hardcore 3rd brand did a lot to kill "ECW!" chants throughout a lot of the country. However, the proto-NXT deal it became towards the ends of its run is kind of a fitting legacy for what ECW probably would have become had they stayed in business. The "wrestling" show, with rookies in bulk and a couple of vets holding down the place. Well, then the final champ was Big Zeke, so yeah, probably best left dead. It gave us GM Tiffany,The Dudebusters,DJ Gabriel and Alicia Fox,Gavin Spears and the faction of Regal,Zeke and Kozlov..Somebody deserves a medal or a $3 off subway coupon.
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Post by doinkmark on Nov 27, 2016 22:45:13 GMT -5
I can buy the Disney story. WCW taped Worldwide and a few Nitros at Disney-MGM Studios in the 90's, and surely Disney execs saw how popular wrestling was during the 80s/90s boom periods, so it's not unbelievable that they briefly considered getting involved in the business. ECW was a popular, growing, but still affordable enough brand to try to get into bed with. The fact that ECW being ECW is what ultimately killed the deal according to Paul also sounds honest enough. I think if anything is being left out of the story, it's that Paul was only willing to part with 49% of the company instead of letting Disney buy the whole thing and totally change it to what they wanted wrestling to be.
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Futureraven: Beelzebruv
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Ultimate Arbiter of Right And Wrong
Spent half my life here, God help me
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 28, 2016 2:19:58 GMT -5
I can buy the Disney story. WCW taped Worldwide and a few Nitros at Disney-MGM Studios in the 90's, and surely Disney execs saw how popular wrestling was during the 80s/90s boom periods, so it's not unbelievable that they briefly considered getting involved in the business. ECW was a popular, growing, but still affordable enough brand to try to get into bed with. The fact that ECW being ECW is what ultimately killed the deal according to Paul also sounds honest enough. I think if anything is being left out of the story, it's that Paul was only willing to part with 49% of the company instead of letting Disney buy the whole thing and totally change it to what they wanted wrestling to be. Plus, it wouldn't be DISNEY Disney, probably a subsidiary, in the 90s they had Miramax doing independent films, it's not like they'd have Mickey walking out to take Sandman's cane away right away.
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Post by sfvega on Nov 28, 2016 6:57:10 GMT -5
Tommy Dreamer and Paul Heyman crying got to me. Dreamer, yes. His heartfelt statement to Paul was rough. But Heyman just comes off as a sleazeball. Smart guy, great wrestling mind, unbelievably resourceful, tremendous motivator, etc. But it seems like fans let him off on his amazing pile of bullshit that they wouldn't to other guys.
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Post by Crow Dust on Nov 28, 2016 9:59:41 GMT -5
About 42 minutes in, when D-Von is talking Is... Is Bubba masturbating? No he's teleporting.
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Post by doinkmark on Nov 30, 2016 1:41:55 GMT -5
I can buy the Disney story. WCW taped Worldwide and a few Nitros at Disney-MGM Studios in the 90's, and surely Disney execs saw how popular wrestling was during the 80s/90s boom periods, so it's not unbelievable that they briefly considered getting involved in the business. ECW was a popular, growing, but still affordable enough brand to try to get into bed with. The fact that ECW being ECW is what ultimately killed the deal according to Paul also sounds honest enough. I think if anything is being left out of the story, it's that Paul was only willing to part with 49% of the company instead of letting Disney buy the whole thing and totally change it to what they wanted wrestling to be. Plus, it wouldn't be DISNEY Disney, probably a subsidiary, in the 90s they had Miramax doing independent films, it's not like they'd have Mickey walking out to take Sandman's cane away right away. I want 911 to chokeslam Mickey now.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 30, 2016 10:20:01 GMT -5
I can buy the Disney story. WCW taped Worldwide and a few Nitros at Disney-MGM Studios in the 90's, and surely Disney execs saw how popular wrestling was during the 80s/90s boom periods, so it's not unbelievable that they briefly considered getting involved in the business. ECW was a popular, growing, but still affordable enough brand to try to get into bed with. The fact that ECW being ECW is what ultimately killed the deal according to Paul also sounds honest enough. I think if anything is being left out of the story, it's that Paul was only willing to part with 49% of the company instead of letting Disney buy the whole thing and totally change it to what they wanted wrestling to be. Plus, it wouldn't be DISNEY Disney, probably a subsidiary, in the 90s they had Miramax doing independent films, it's not like they'd have Mickey walking out to take Sandman's cane away right away. By the time any buyout would have happened, Disney were well into the period where they were openly interfering with Miramax's output, vetoing releases that would reflect badly on them. There is no way that a corporation with such a thin skin would have anything to do with pro wrestling, certainly not a company as toxic as ECW were at that point in time, let's not forget they were flat out abusive toward TNN, taking a steaming dump on their bridge before setting it alight.
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Post by wingedeagle on Dec 5, 2016 2:37:38 GMT -5
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Post by Captain & Diet on Dec 8, 2016 1:35:12 GMT -5
Seems like there's some heat between Dreamer and Heyman that Tommy alluded to but didn't elaborate on. I wonder what the issues are.
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Post by wingedeagle on Dec 8, 2016 6:47:57 GMT -5
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Post by AJ Smudgico on Dec 10, 2016 10:02:34 GMT -5
Got to be honest, I loved it. And for reasons I don't know, I really enjoyed Tazz on this
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