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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 25, 2016 15:10:47 GMT -5
My apologies if this question has already been asked or if a thread of this nature has already been made. However, a couple of days ago I read an article regarding whether or not Marvel plays it "too safe" with their films. The comparison between DC and Marvel is how DC is often too serious, of course it's been stated that Marvel is too kid friendly and doesn't take enough risks as far as the villains and consequences are concerned.
The other night I was watching Guardians of the Galaxy and for a Marvel film it was pretty dark as a whole. While there was a lot of humor, quips, and light hearted circumstances James Gunn did have a darkness to it with the death of Peter's mother at the beginning, Ronan killing one of the Nova Prime soldiers by bashing his head in with a weapon, Peter saving Gamora while sacrificing himself by breathing in the Space atmosphere, and of course Groot "dying" as well.
Age of Ultron was criticized for making Ultron too comical and not serious enough given how the trailers presented the film. In my opinion, Winter Soldier, Guardians of The Galaxy, Civil War, and to an extent Doctor Strange have been the darkest MCU films as a whole. Obviously the Netflix shows are darker, more violent, serious, and intense compared to the films.
I do believe it's time for Marvel to slowly start veering away from the light hearted nature and move more into the direction of severe consequences. With Thanos on the horizon I honestly feel more serious deaths need to happen, unpredictable moments need to surprise the viewers/fans, and the message of the good guy doesn't always win needs to start being applied. I'd really like these last set of films, mainly Infinity War, to take the blueprint of the Lord of The Rings trilogy and not ruining intense, emotional moments by adding in unnecessary humor. Infinity War needs to be Marvel's most darkest, intense, emotional, and epic films. It also needs to be less humorous and while of course having Ant-Man, Spider-Man, and Falcon calls for some form of humor. It definitely needs to start getting serious and more or less move away from the usual formula.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Nov 25, 2016 15:22:37 GMT -5
...so what's your question? you didn't ask one
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Post by Fade on Nov 25, 2016 16:06:10 GMT -5
...so what's your question? you didn't ask one Furthermore id say all of the Guardians examples of "darkness" are more sentimentality than anything. I've only seen Daredevil of their Netflix stuff but that is definitely dark and complex. I get why Marvel does what they do with their films... $$$$$$. |
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Nov 25, 2016 16:17:11 GMT -5
I would also say Iron Man 1 and 3 have a more mature tone than most. And while Guardians certainly had a couple darker moments, overall I'd say it's still a rather light romp.
While there's definitely an established lighter formula to most Marvel movies, it is a successful formula, and they know when to deviate (Winter Soldier).
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Post by Shai on Nov 25, 2016 17:06:38 GMT -5
It helps that honestly in my opinion James Gunn and the Russo brothers are better directors the Joss Whedon. I loved the first Avengers but AoU was a clusterf***. Its the only MCU movie I have no desire to ever watch again.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Nov 25, 2016 17:15:02 GMT -5
When you put certain things aside, Civil War is a pretty dark movie that basically ends with the Avengers left a broken team.
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Post by Shai on Nov 25, 2016 17:22:06 GMT -5
When you put certain things aside, Civil War is a pretty dark movie that basically ends with the Avengers left a broken team. Civil War is definitely the darkest one. This is why I'm so damn happy the Russos are doing Infinity War. They seem to have the balance between light and dark down to a science. |
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Post by Fade on Nov 25, 2016 18:50:58 GMT -5
It helps that honestly in my opinion James Gunn and the Russo brothers are better directors the Joss Whedon. I loved the first Avengers but AoU was a clusterf***. Its the only MCU movie I have no desire to ever watch again. I wish I could like this a million times. Whedon sucked. Suuuucked. It worked for the first Avengers flick cause it's was such an unprecedented event. I've always said that's an event, not a film. But with AoU it became painfully obvious. If you want to see the power and significance of directors, watch AoU and then immediately watch Civil War. Night and Day. Or shit and quality. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 25, 2016 22:40:59 GMT -5
If this is a DC vs. Marvel question It's not really a matter of light vs. darkness.
It's a matter of being true to the spirit of the characters which the DC universe has failed at massively.
Superman in Man of Steel and Batman V Superman is an asshole that gives up on humanity.
Civil War and Winter Soldier are serious movies but Captain America is still in the middle of it as his usual Boy Scout self.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 25, 2016 22:47:35 GMT -5
If this is a DC vs. Marvel question It's not really a matter of light vs. darkness. It's a matter of being true to the spirit of the characters which the DC universe has failed at massively. Superman in Man of Steel and Batman V Superman is an asshole that gives up on humanity. Civil War and Winter Soldier are serious movies but Captain America is still in the middle of it as his usual Boy Scout self. Let's not forget mass-murdering, gun-toting Batman. To which the director claims, "Aw, but he totally killed people in The Dark Knight Returns!" No he didn't, and you just showed us that you didn't read it. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 25, 2016 22:48:45 GMT -5
To be honest, for me so far Marvel's output has just entertained me more. Sometimes it's cuz of light-heartedness, sometimes it's sentimentality, etc but just by and large thus far when I leave a Marvel movie I feel like I've enjoyed my two hours more than a DC movie.
I'm not counting anything pre Man of Steel as far as DC's output (and I really liked that one), but the two follow ups thus far really haven't given me the "satisfied moviegoer" feeling that Marvel's movies have. Even their weakest films I can generally so far say it was a decent two hours spent. So far, it's not something I can say with DC. Admittedly, right now there's a small sample size.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 25, 2016 22:55:35 GMT -5
If this is a DC vs. Marvel question It's not really a matter of light vs. darkness. It's a matter of being true to the spirit of the characters which the DC universe has failed at massively. Superman in Man of Steel and Batman V Superman is an asshole that gives up on humanity. Civil War and Winter Soldier are serious movies but Captain America is still in the middle of it as his usual Boy Scout self. Let's not forget mass-murdering, gun-toting Batman. To which the director claims, "Aw, but he totally killed people in The Dark Knight Returns!" No he didn't, and you just showed us that you didn't read it. As I have said Batman V. Superman is Dark Knight Returns as told by someone that didn't understand Dark Knight Returns. |
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Post by Stu on Nov 26, 2016 0:19:57 GMT -5
Dammit, what's the question?
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 26, 2016 0:59:06 GMT -5
...so what's your question? you didn't ask one My question is does the MCU play it too safe and is it too light hearted? It's a criticism that has been constantly hurled around on various message boards, Facebook posts, and while the Marvel vs. DC feud is truly played out. I, as a fan, definitely feels Marvel has earned enough goodwill and garnered enough profits to take some risks. So really should Marvel go against the grain? |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 26, 2016 1:01:06 GMT -5
Dammit, what's the question? The question is "Does Marvel play it too safe?" Or really the question should be "Is Marvel afraid to take risks with their characters, storylines, and go into darker territory?" I know one concern that I've seen amongst some comic book circles is some fans are concerned that they're going to water down Thanos and make Infinity War too kid friendly. |
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 26, 2016 2:18:06 GMT -5
Let's not forget mass-murdering, gun-toting Batman. To which the director claims, "Aw, but he totally killed people in The Dark Knight Returns!" No he didn't, and you just showed us that you didn't read it. As I have said Batman V. Superman is Dark Knight Returns as told by someone that didn't understand Dark Knight Returns. Didn't understand it, didn't even read it. screencrush.com/bvs-snyder-batman-rule/?trackback=tsmclipReally Zack? Who are these comic book dorks? Because it sounds like they didn't read the book you claim they did. |
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Post by Fade on Nov 26, 2016 2:18:53 GMT -5
Dammit, what's the question? The question is "Does Marvel play it too safe?" Or really the question should be "Is Marvel afraid to take risks with their characters, storylines, and go into darker territory?" I know one concern that I've seen amongst some comic book circles is some fans are concerned that they're going to water down Thanos and make Infinity War too kid friendly. The answer is yes but that's what makes money today. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 26, 2016 2:27:44 GMT -5
The question is "Does Marvel play it too safe?" Or really the question should be "Is Marvel afraid to take risks with their characters, storylines, and go into darker territory?" I know one concern that I've seen amongst some comic book circles is some fans are concerned that they're going to water down Thanos and make Infinity War too kid friendly. The answer is yes but that's what makes money today. Yes, it does. But surely if they decided to take a risk they'd get even more profit and more people interested in the product. I guess that's what I am more or less trying to get at with my original post without it being so wordy. I feel if they just said "Okay, our formula has been successful and we've made enough money. Let's take it up a notch and give it that extra push." Like I feel in Civil War {Spoiler}Rhodey should've died. It would've made Civil War actually mean something, along with Stark finding out Cap hid the death of his parents, and adding that tension would've made their fight even more tragic and intense. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 26, 2016 2:30:29 GMT -5
As I have said Batman V. Superman is Dark Knight Returns as told by someone that didn't understand Dark Knight Returns. Didn't understand it, didn't even read it. screencrush.com/bvs-snyder-batman-rule/?trackback=tsmclipReally Zack? Who are these comic book dorks? Because it sounds like they didn't read the book you claim they did. Sounds to me that was Zack's idea and those comic book nerds were like "Umm?" |
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Post by Shai on Nov 26, 2016 2:37:13 GMT -5
The answer is yes but that's what makes money today. Yes, it does. But surely if they decided to take a risk they'd get even more profit and more people interested in the product. I guess that's what I am more or less trying to get at with my original post without it being so wordy. I feel if they just said "Okay, our formula has been successful and we've made enough money. Let's take it up a notch and give it that extra push." Like I feel in Civil War {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Rhodey should've died. It would've made Civil War actually mean something, along with Stark finding out Cap hid the death of his parents, and adding that tension would've made their fight even more tragic and intense. Then you would have had the flack from comic book fans because that didn't even happen in the original comics. |
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