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Post by dirtyoldman on Dec 16, 2016 9:12:00 GMT -5
So the tag record is broke, and the main one isn't going to be broken unless someone goes 8 years as champ. Reckon we'll get a 13 plus month reign coming up?
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Post by Woo on Dec 16, 2016 9:14:41 GMT -5
Santino should have got to within 1 day of breaking it and then lose.
I would have said Miz should have, but the Dolph reign ruined that.
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Post by Regal Stretch on Dec 16, 2016 9:18:07 GMT -5
These records are pretty meaningless when they are broken intentionally to wipe out old workers that have fallen out and the reigns are mostly filler.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 16, 2016 9:26:56 GMT -5
These records are pretty meaningless when they are broken intentionally to wipe out old workers that have fallen out and the reigns are mostly filler. In this case, I don't think they have any beef with Honky Tonk Man, and his reign was already stuffed with filler, so it wouldn't be too big a deal. That said, I'd be fine with him keeping it a while yet. I like Miz a lot, but the IC title ought to change hands sometime before like a year from now. That'd put him into too much of a rut, otherwise.
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Post by Rican on Dec 16, 2016 9:32:45 GMT -5
My fantasy booking for Cesaro after he won the Andre Memorial Battle Royal was or him to win the title and break the record, including a kick-ass match with Cena at WM31 BUT NOOOOOO
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 16, 2016 9:53:13 GMT -5
I'm tired of WWE's record kick and want it to stop already. There's just too much TV now for a reign to remain captivating for that f***ing long now. Nikki's record reign was tiring and Charlotte's "even longer than that" run right after it had the same problems. New Day broke their record against a cold-ass tag division where the only team really over enough to take the titles from them was the one they never got into a direct feud with. Shit, Miz didn't even get that long into an IC title reign that included multiple fatal four-way matches, a month off to film a movie, and nineteen months of feuding with Dolph Ziggler. Smackdown doesn't have the population of credible midcarders to sustain a year and a half long title reign and have it not be a f***ing chore.
So for the time being, f*** it, let Honky Tonk keep the record. I don't have any real emotional connections to it to say it should never be broken, but seeing how WWE decides that breaking a record is good enough a thing to not bother doing much with someone or making their reign memorable, I'd rather it stay intact if only for that.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 16, 2016 9:58:29 GMT -5
It doesn't matter. As much as I like the New Day, they could hold those titles for five years and never be in the same league as Demolition.
The same applies to whoever they'd pick to break the IC record. HTM was champion in an era where holding titles actually had some sort of narrative importance.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 10:00:39 GMT -5
Only do it if it's going to happen organically. The Nikki one was pointless and the New Day one really wasn't any better, since neither really had the momentum or depth of competition to be worth the bother. Though New Day at least made it until the last few months before the reign really ran out of gas, instead of spending half the run not defending the belt like with Nikki.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 16, 2016 10:03:17 GMT -5
Santino should have got to within 1 day of breaking it and then lose. I would have said Miz should have, but the Dolph reign ruined that. I was hoping he'd come that close then lose due to Honky Tonk Man interference.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 16, 2016 10:06:44 GMT -5
You should never TRY to break a record. You use the title as a way to promote storylines, feuds, and the wrestlers themselves. If it fits the story to have someone hold the title for an extended period of time, then do it. However, I doubt that now or anytime soon would be the right time for the IC Belt given the shortage of talent for any one champion to face on the SmackDown brand.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 16, 2016 10:48:38 GMT -5
I think the IC reign should certainly be wiped out, mainly because it is the one record that really ought to be wiped off the books. Let's be honest, of all the great title holders the guy who held it the longest was the Honky Tonk Man? A guy that had zero credibility as a wrestler and mostly got himself counted out and DQed. The problem with someone like Miz breaking it is that he's basically the HTM of this era, albeit a bit more accomplished. It would have been the same deal with Santino. Just let a face have a dominant run and break it easily, without making a big deal out of it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 16, 2016 10:56:43 GMT -5
I think the IC reign should certainly be wiped out, mainly because it is the one record that really ought to be wiped off the books. Let's be honest, of all the great title holders the guy who held it the longest was the Honky Tonk Man? A guy that had zero credibility as a wrestler and mostly got himself counted out and DQed. That was the point of his character. A cowardly heel. That's why it made it so satisfying when he lost the title in such a brutal way.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 16, 2016 11:44:55 GMT -5
Yeah but it's a lousy point and not worth having your #2 belt on the guy for over a year. This was actually pretty early on in my wrestling fandom, so I didn't endure his entire run with the IC title. I mostly remember him escaping Savage and Beefcake before Warrior just crushed him.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 16, 2016 11:50:08 GMT -5
I think someone should get close. No one has held the title for a year in a very very long time, meanwhile people have had long US and tag runs.
I would prefer if someone broke Pedro's combined record before someone breaks Honky's.
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 16, 2016 11:50:47 GMT -5
This record stuff is another excuse to use their Wikipedia like factoids during commentary-what's wrong with telling a story-it's like the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade now when you listen to a match
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Dec 16, 2016 11:59:15 GMT -5
These records are pretty meaningless when they are broken intentionally to wipe out old workers that have fallen out and the reigns are mostly filler. This is a wise opinion here Getting REALLY tired of this "record breaking" crap
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Post by The Yes Man on Dec 16, 2016 12:00:39 GMT -5
I don't think I can deal with another never ending title run like Charlotte and New Day. At least not for a couple years.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Dec 16, 2016 12:00:48 GMT -5
Only do it if it's going to happen organically. The Nikki one was pointless and the New Day one really wasn't any better, since neither really had the momentum or depth of competition to be worth the bother. Though New Day at least made it until the last few months before the reign really ran out of gas, instead of spending half the run not defending the belt like with Nikki. The day has come. I HAVE to agree with Lizuka
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 13:16:28 GMT -5
Santino should have got to within 1 day of breaking it and then lose. I would have said Miz should have, but the Dolph reign ruined that. I was hoping he'd come that close then lose due to Honky Tonk Man interference. That's genuinely how I thought it was gonna go.....especially with the honk-a-meter
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 16, 2016 13:42:11 GMT -5
You should never TRY to break a record. You use the title as a way to promote storylines, feuds, and the wrestlers themselves. If it fits the story to have someone hold the title for an extended period of time, then do it. However, I doubt that now or anytime soon would be the right time for the IC Belt given the shortage of talent for any one champion to face on the SmackDown brand. That is the case, but the bigger problem with this is that it also needs to keep in mind the bigger point: Fans today like everyone on the roster, basically, and want everyone on the roster to get their day in the sun (and a long title reign will have to come on everyone else's backs.) By the same token, a particularly long title reign will inevitably be seen as a "Reign of Terror", whether they're a hero or villain, good or bad, beloved by the fans or despised by the fans. It really all boils down to: People's attention spans in 2016 are just shorter than they were in even the 1980s, and that genie's not going back in the bottle...and because of these short attention spans, titles have to change hands in a shorter time period than in the old days. As a result, the super-long Demolition title reign or the 13-plus month Honky Tonk Man title reign have become less like "regular records" in sports entertainment and more like all the single-season pitching records in the 1800s/early 1900s (where baseball fans just accept going in "They're NOT getting broken, the role of a pitcher in the modern game is wildly different than a pitcher in the 1890s-1900s was, and as a result it's mathematically impossible for a modern-day pitcher to break most of those records)...or in a wrestling sense, to the Fabulous Moolah's 27-year title reign of "it's not happening, everyone KNOWS it's not happening, we're willing to accept Charlotte's title reign as the 'Modern-Day Record' and ignore Moolah for good" level of 'yeah, they can't be broken'
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