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Post by eDemento2099 on Dec 22, 2016 8:32:41 GMT -5
How do you feel about the way that Diesel (Kevin Nash) won the WWF championship from Bob Backlund? Do you feel that it was wrong for a champion to drop the belt in a mere matter of seconds after the bell rang? Do you feel that this loss made Backlund's credibility as a former champion seem weak?
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 22, 2016 8:43:02 GMT -5
I feel like it was not entirely necessary, but mostly harmless. If it had been at a PPV, I'd have probably been royally pissed, since I'd feel ripped off, but the way they did it was fine.
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 22, 2016 8:52:30 GMT -5
I wasn't watching at this time, but what was the point of Backlund being there? How was his workrate?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 22, 2016 9:00:44 GMT -5
I wasn't watching at this time, but what was the point of Backlund being there? How was his workrate? His matches with Bret were somewhere between good and great. His matches with most others were pretty sloppy, IMO. Nash had to beat him quick, because a match between the 2 would have been awkward and most likely terrible
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 9:02:41 GMT -5
Easy answer: They wanted Diesel to look dominant since he was Vince's choice that moment to be his next Hulk Hogan.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Dec 22, 2016 9:09:58 GMT -5
I wasn't watching at this time, but what was the point of Backlund being there? How was his workrate? He was a transitional champion, used to get the belt off of Bret Hart and onto Diesel. I don't remember seeing much of Backlund before he returned to the WWF and beat Bret for the title, but I do remember that he wrestled at Wrestlemania 9, which was made 2 years earlier.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Dec 22, 2016 9:48:22 GMT -5
They wanted Diesel to go over strong and they wanted him to be an instant star. That match happened on a Saturday night and they were showing it on their Sunday shows the next morning.
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Post by Woo on Dec 22, 2016 10:08:34 GMT -5
It was fine. I wouldn't have minded a Mr Backlund run but Nash was a good choice and that put him over strong. Bob lost nothing from it either.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 22, 2016 10:49:42 GMT -5
I think it hurt Nash in the long run. He wasn't remotely ready to be world champion. Nash really needed an actual build to be world champion. He went from bodyguard to IC champ to tag champ to world champion in the span of about 6 months. That's just way too much too soon. Diesel and HBK split as a team literally days before the guy won the world title. As dubious as it would be to keep the title on Backlund for months I would have done another round of him vs. Bret at the Rumble, Diesel throws down the gauntlet and crushes everyone at the Rumble (maybe eliminating Shawn last, which would give symmetry to Shawn tossing him last in 1996), and now you have a guy with a concerted build to the title. Fans can get used to him as a main eventer. It would also be the way to really crown the "New Generation" as Diesel can take down the old guy Backlund. The match would probably suck, but you can't have everything.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 22, 2016 11:48:34 GMT -5
While I would have liked to have seen Crazy Bob have a run, it made Diesel look like a major badass when I was about 12 or whatever. I know he was the lowest draw and blah blah blah, but Diesel was my dude. He would have fist bumped me cuz I would have had the black glove.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 22, 2016 11:55:41 GMT -5
I think it hurt Nash in the long run. He wasn't remotely ready to be world champion. Nash really needed an actual build to be world champion. He went from bodyguard to IC champ to tag champ to world champion in the span of about 6 months. That's just way too much too soon. Diesel and HBK split as a team literally days before the guy won the world title. As dubious as it would be to keep the title on Backlund for months I would have done another round of him vs. Bret at the Rumble, Diesel throws down the gauntlet and crushes everyone at the Rumble (maybe eliminating Shawn last, which would give symmetry to Shawn tossing him last in 1996), and now you have a guy with a concerted build to the title. Fans can get used to him as a main eventer. It would also be the way to really crown the "New Generation" as Diesel can take down the old guy Backlund. The match would probably suck, but you can't have everything. I wouldn't be surprised if Nash agreed to an extent. I know he presented it as a big surprise to him in, I wanna say he was on Austin's podcast or something? I forget, but he seemed to be under the impression they gave him the title in part to put HBK in his place a little, since he was angling for the title himself, and Vince wanted to make it clear who decided who had the belt. It being the era where Vince supposedly liked to play people off of each other and create infighting, I wouldn't be surprised if he thought it'd make Nash and HBK have a falling out, especially since I am sure Shawn had mixed feelings about it. Back to your point, but yeah, they did rush into the world title with Nash, by even his own appraisal.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 22, 2016 12:43:39 GMT -5
Diesel was a low drawing champion because there was no way he could have drawn money in those circumstances. He didn't beat a true top guy of that era, wasn't as over as guys like Bret or Undertaker, and the 1995 era WWF roster was horribly lacking in heels. It got even worse after WM when Shawn turned face. The Sid/Diesel feud sucked in 1995 (so of course WCW tried redoing it in 1999). So really who did Nash even beat? He never beat Bret as champion, did beat Shawn but Shawn stole his thunder and turned the next night, he had the crappy feud with Sid, then Mabel, a dubiously heel turned Bulldog (who he also did not beat), before finally losing to Bret.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 13:07:34 GMT -5
Easy answer: They wanted Diesel to look dominant since he was Vince's choice that moment to be his next Hulk Hogan. Plus stick it to Bruno, who beat Buddy Rogers in 48 seconds to win his first World title. I didn't mind it at all.
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Post by chronocross on Dec 22, 2016 13:52:04 GMT -5
I thought it was great, though his first PPV title defense was messy and full of run-ins.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Dec 22, 2016 14:26:24 GMT -5
Kevin Nash was kind of the Roman Reigns of his day. Reigns was over as hell as a member of The Shield, but then as he started getting pushed as a singles the fans turned on him as he got shoved down our throats and they micromanaged his character into oblivion by basically making him Samoan John Cena. He rehabilitated his relationship with the fans when he teamed up with Dean Ambrose in the summer of 2015 because he was starting to act a lot more natural (as I texted a friend while watching SummerSlam that year, Roman grounds Dean and Dean gives Roman personality).
Similar thing with Diesel. Fans loved him as this ass kicking trucker when he plowed through a good amount of the field at the 1994 Royal Rumble, became Intercontinental Champion and tag team champions with Shawn Michaels. And that was all as a heel! But when he became WWF Champion he became micromanaged to hell and he became something he wasn't by becoming a smiling hand slapping babyface. But it wasn't until dropping the title to Bret and he had his run as a bad ass tweener followed by his heel run near the end of his WWF tenure and run under his real name in the nWo that he came into his own.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Dec 22, 2016 14:54:04 GMT -5
It deprived us of more of these promos so that's a shame but when 28k are in the Garden what can you do?
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Post by Woo on Dec 22, 2016 15:03:48 GMT -5
It deprived us of more of these promos so that's a shame but when 28k are in the Garden what can you do? Does the Garden even hold 28 thousand people?
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Dec 22, 2016 15:10:03 GMT -5
It deprived us of more of these promos so that's a shame but when 28k are in the Garden what can you do? Does the Garden even hold 28 thousand people? It did that night.
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Post by jagilki on Dec 22, 2016 15:14:31 GMT -5
Easy answer: They wanted Diesel Roman to look dominant since he was Vince's choice that moment to be his next Hulk Hogan John Cena. WWE Current'd.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 22, 2016 16:38:27 GMT -5
Easy answer: They wanted Diesel Roman to look dominant since he was Vince's choice that moment to be his next Hulk Hogan John Cena. WWE Current'd. Vince repeats himself when under stress. Vince repeats himself when under stress. Vince repeats--
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