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Post by Mister Pigwell on Dec 29, 2016 12:38:27 GMT -5
The people complaining about Steve Martin's tweet knew he wasn't being disrespectful. They just wanted something to be offended about. Exactly this. They wanted to make the death and attention about them.
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Post by SkullTrauma on Dec 29, 2016 16:00:37 GMT -5
Like, Cinnabon sent out a tweet that was disrespectful to Fisher there was nothing disrespectful about that tweet at all.
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Post by Shai on Dec 29, 2016 16:09:00 GMT -5
Like, Cinnabon sent out a tweet that was disrespectful to Fisher there was nothing disrespectful about that tweet at all. I thought it was funny and sweet. There is such a thing as being too PC people.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 29, 2016 16:12:50 GMT -5
The irony about all these people being offended is if you've seen Carrie be herself in interviews she was the kind of person that always enjoyed a good laugh and was very much "IDGAF". People need to get a life.
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Post by Shai on Dec 29, 2016 16:18:18 GMT -5
The irony about all these people being offended is if you've seen Carrie be herself in interviews she was the kind of person that always enjoyed a good laugh and was very much "IDGAF". People need to get a life. I don't get people like that at all. There's so much real life shit to complain about and be offended by. Why make shit up?
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 29, 2016 16:19:20 GMT -5
It can't be as bad as what Charlie Sheen did. Look it up, as it gets into lock territory.
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Post by Shai on Dec 29, 2016 16:39:26 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it's over him referring to Fisher as a "creature". I get that he didn't mean anything wrong by it, but it's a bad and kinda weird choice of words during a time when many of her fans are in mourning. I don't think people are "going out of their way" to be angry. That is a really clumsy tweet. I wouldn't have left it up either. I think we sometimes forget that others can find something offensive without forcing the idea that it's offensive on us. I'm sure this forgetfulness can be partially attributed to people who actually do force their opinions on others; but that goes both ways, Steve Martin tweet Person 1: That's offensive, and you're stupid if you don't agree with me. Person 2: Uh, what? I'm allowed to have my own opinion. Steve Martin tweet Person 1: I can't believe someone would say something so offensive. Person 2: You're stupid for thinking that's offensive. I feel like we as a society need to re-educate ourselves on what opinions are if we have any desire for growth. Just because we see several examples that support our claim does not mean we can ignore examples that challenge that claim. On topic, it's been mentioned earlier in this thread, but the first quote that came to my mind when I heard the news was Yoda's, “Death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force.” This. Exactly. Just because someone finds something offensive doesn't mean they have the right to force it on everyone else. I think this is what most people have issues with. For example. Its one thing to say I find this book offensive I don't want my kids to read it then to say I find this book offensive and if you don't ban it from the entire district I'm going to sue you.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 29, 2016 17:43:21 GMT -5
The irony about all these people being offended is if you've seen Carrie be herself in interviews she was the kind of person that always enjoyed a good laugh and was very much "IDGAF". People need to get a life. Exactly. Hell, if she knew ahead of time she probably would have had a joke at her own expense ready. Didn't she once quip that she considered having "Princess Leia" on her tombstone instead of her own name so that people would know it was her when they visited the cemetery?
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Post by Shai on Dec 29, 2016 17:48:40 GMT -5
The irony about all these people being offended is if you've seen Carrie be herself in interviews she was the kind of person that always enjoyed a good laugh and was very much "IDGAF". People need to get a life. Exactly. Hell, if she knew ahead of time she probably would have had a joke at her own expense ready. Didn't she once quip that she considered having "Princess Leia" on her tombstone instead of her own name so that people would know it was her when they visited the cemetery? She wanted her obit to say that she drowned in moonlight strangled by her own bra she would have laughed her ass off.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 29, 2016 17:51:55 GMT -5
This. Exactly. Just because someone finds something offensive doesn't mean they have the right to force it on everyone else. I think this is what most people have issues with. For example. Its one thing to say I find this book offensive I don't want my kids to read it then to say I find this book offensive and if you don't ban it from the entire district I'm going to sue you. It's equally as important that we remember that just because someone doesn't find something offensive doesn't mean they have right to force others to not be offended as well. I was going to add that we shouldn't assume the intentions of others, but I suppose what I mean is that it's dangerous to communication and growth if we label people based on our assumptions of their intentions - even more so when we generalize. THANK YOU! That's what I was trying to explain!
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Post by Shai on Dec 29, 2016 17:57:51 GMT -5
It's equally as important that we remember that just because someone doesn't find something offensive doesn't mean they have right to force others to not be offended as well. I was going to add that we shouldn't assume the intentions of others, but I suppose what I mean is that it's dangerous to communication and growth if we label people based on our assumptions of their intentions - even more so when we generalize. THANK YOU! That's what I was trying to explain! Both of you are completely right. The Steve Martin thing just ticked me off because it just seemed completely ridiculous.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Dec 29, 2016 18:38:21 GMT -5
My two cents about the Steve Martin tweet is that what he wrote seemed entirely something that would've been right in like with Carrie Fisher's sense of humor. I can totally picture her saying the same thing, and laughing/agreeing if Steve said that to her face. If the person wouldn't be offended, what right do I have to be offended?
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 29, 2016 19:53:46 GMT -5
The people giving Steve Martin shit never take into account that he knew her, and they probably didn't. He would have known what kind of thing she'd be cool with. It'd be like me tweeting something innocuous to my brother and complete strangers on the other side of the world reacting with outrage over it.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 29, 2016 20:07:22 GMT -5
The people giving Steve Martin shit never take into account that he knew her, and they probably didn't. He would have known what kind of thing she'd be cool with. It'd be like me tweeting something innocuous to my brother and complete strangers on the other side of the world reacting with outrage over it. People attach themselves to things to a great degree. Sport teams, Fandoms, cars..and especially celebs.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Dec 29, 2016 20:37:39 GMT -5
well I'm sorry if it offends some sensitive souls out there but I unashamedly admit that she was hotter than the sun in Return of the Jedi.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 29, 2016 21:37:23 GMT -5
The people giving Steve Martin shit never take into account that he knew her, and they probably didn't. He would have known what kind of thing she'd be cool with. It'd be like me tweeting something innocuous to my brother and complete strangers on the other side of the world reacting with outrage over it. Wait, I'm sorry. Are you suggesting that whenever I perceived Steve Martin's tweet as sexist because, to me, it seemed as though he was saying that a woman couldn't be being witty and bright if she was first beautiful, that I didn't take into account that he knew her and I didn't? I cam to my own independent interpretation. If Steve Martin wishes to not be misunderstood, he has an equal responsibility for presenting his message as clear and precise as possible; which one could argue with the evidence of him deleting the tweet, he failed to achieve. My not knowing her personally, or her possibly being not offended, or me being a complete stranger on the other side of the world is inconsequential in dictating how I respond and react to the world in which I am a part of. After posting this, I realized that we're getting really off-topic in a thread that was meant for remembering someone many people were fond of. I apologize for my participation in such a diversion. This will be my last post on the matter. He deleted it because in today's world sometimes it's easier to walk away from the fight then try to endlessly explain himself which he really has no obligation to do. He's not a public official or servant. You're right to interpret it as you wish I just interpret it as a glowing compliment. And interpret he outrage as baseless and silly. And same. I agree with the digression so I'll stop. I get every ones still emotional about this loss.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 29, 2016 21:51:30 GMT -5
The people giving Steve Martin shit never take into account that he knew her, and they probably didn't. He would have known what kind of thing she'd be cool with. It'd be like me tweeting something innocuous to my brother and complete strangers on the other side of the world reacting with outrage over it. Wait, I'm sorry. Are you suggesting that whenever I perceived Steve Martin's tweet as sexist because, to me, it seemed as though he was saying that a woman couldn't be being witty and bright if she was first beautiful, that I didn't take into account that he knew her and I didn't? I cam to my own independent interpretation. If Steve Martin wishes to not be misunderstood, he has an equal responsibility for presenting his message as clear and precise as possible; which one could argue with the evidence of him deleting the tweet, he failed to achieve. My not knowing her personally, or her possibly being not offended, or me being a complete stranger on the other side of the world is inconsequential in dictating how I respond and react to the world in which I am a part of. After posting this, I realized that we're getting really off-topic in a thread that was meant for remembering someone many people were fond of. I apologize for my participation in such a diversion. This will be my last post on the matter. You're absolutely right it will. Don't post in this thread again.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Dec 29, 2016 23:52:37 GMT -5
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 30, 2016 0:15:37 GMT -5
God damn that's heart warming and breaking at the same time.
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Post by mattperiolat on Dec 30, 2016 0:36:20 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I keep doing this but.... music expresses my feelings much better than my words at times. For me, like I said before, Prince spoke a bit for Carrie, but now with Debbie gone too, it's gone very transcendental for me. Now, it's shifted to the musical version of The Lion King:
Night... and the spirt of life Calling Mamela And a voice with the fear of a child Asking Mamela
Wait There's no mountain too great Hear these words and have faith Have faith
They live in you They live in me They're watching over Everything we see In every creature In every star In your reflection They live in you
They live in you They live in me They're watching over Everything we see In every creature In every star In your reflection They live in you
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