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Post by corndog on Dec 27, 2016 18:23:37 GMT -5
Watched a few videos and read some stuff about the UK tournament. Some people actually believe Vince's next major move will be Japan. Meltzer has reported that WWE is trying to get loans for huge sums of cash to work on the global market. Many believe after the UK tournament, already having several top stars from Japan, that he might actually be crazy enough to a tournament in Japan, also that a New Japan/WWE "war" is just down the road. Personally, I think Vince would be stupid to do this and would get crushed in Japan, probably losing a large sum of cash. Does anyone else think this will even happen or even heard about this? As far as "Vince being crushed in Japan if he tried expanding for a war with New Japan"- no. No, that would not happen. At all. WORST CASE scenario, the situation for WWE with a Japan expansion would be...well, the reverse of the claims New Japan is planning to expand into North America next year. In both cases, it's the same basic story: They have a lot of big competition there, but it's countered because on a star by star basic, enough New Japan stars are popular enough person to person to make New Japan at least on par with Ring of Honor in the US, even if they don't have any realistic chance of competing with WWE Stateside. New Japan can't be number one, but they can absolutely be number TWO." That worst case isn't even likely, since WWE has always been very popular touring Japan and Japanese fans DO want to see WWE as well as their own promotions. Not only would WWE be able to thrive in Japan, but the most likely way for any other puro company to get in the game to compete with New Japan there would be "WWE announces a working agreement with that puro promotion and will send some WWE or NXT names on one or two tours at a time". The biggest problem WWE will have in Japan will be the potential issues with Japanese culture, and how a Japanese or Asian brand could blur the lines and take away WWE's benefits to get the top puro or joshi standouts like they do now. Japanese stars signing for WWE if they go Stateside is one thing, but signing with WWE and staying in Japan most of the time would be a far, far different problem with company loyalty into play. It'd be more likely that only smaller names sign to be on the Japanese brand, and that may likely lead to the catch-22 of "any big name puro/joshi standouts who WWE would want as the stars of a Japanese brand would almost certainly demand "I won't compete against my home promotion- I won't sign with NXT Japan and demand to be assigned to the US or UK" as a condition of signing. New Japan is obviously trying to build their brand in the US. As you said, they aren't trying to beat Vince in the states, they are just trying to reach a new audience and could, as you said, easily obtain a US fanbase comparable to ROH(if it isn't there already). This is the big difference between Vince and New Japan, Vince is never satisfied with second. The WWE has been doing occasional shows in Japan for decades and as we have seen with NXT, they just got done touring there. I don't think NJPW has ever really had a problem with this, since they rarely, if ever, compete with shows they are running. They have a pretty strong unspoken no-compete clause. But if he decides to run a full time brand in Japan, that would break that "agreement" and would certainly end up running shows against New Japan/NOAH/Dragon Gate. Also, I am sure he would try to raid talent from those organizations. NJPW is already aware of the WWE trying to build Japanese talent and are finally starting to sign talent to multi-year deals. So I am willing to bet NJPW would have no problem running shows against them, just to show them this isn't going to fly in their country. Their chairman is fully aware of Vince's tactics and has even gone on record to say Vince doesn't work with people to help them, he does it to help himself. As you said, WWE's biggest problem would be cultural and I think booking would be part of that. There is demand for WWE events in Japan, which is why the tours there are usually very successful. But doing a tour once/twice a year is different than running a year round show. Up until the last couple of year, even NJPW struggled to draw for the big shows once every month or two, what makes you think WWE could? At the end of the day, it's going to incredibly hard for WWE to have a program in Japan that makes money, even if that just means making more money on the Network and losing it at the gate.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 28, 2016 2:55:51 GMT -5
New Japan is obviously trying to build their brand in the US. As you said, they aren't trying to beat Vince in the states, they are just trying to reach a new audience and could, as you said, easily obtain a US fanbase comparable to ROH(if it isn't there already). This is the big difference between Vince and New Japan, Vince is never satisfied with second. The WWE has been doing occasional shows in Japan for decades and as we have seen with NXT, they just got done touring there. I don't think NJPW has ever really had a problem with this, since they rarely, if ever, compete with shows they are running. They have a pretty strong unspoken no-compete clause. But if he decides to run a full time brand in Japan, that would break that "agreement" and would certainly end up running shows against New Japan/NOAH/Dragon Gate. Also, I am sure he would try to raid talent from those organizations. NJPW is already aware of the WWE trying to build Japanese talent and are finally starting to sign talent to multi-year deals. So I am willing to bet NJPW would have no problem running shows against them, just to show them this isn't going to fly in their country. Their chairman is fully aware of Vince's tactics and has even gone on record to say Vince doesn't work with people to help them, he does it to help himself. As you said, WWE's biggest problem would be cultural and I think booking would be part of that. There is demand for WWE events in Japan, which is why the tours there are usually very successful. But doing a tour once/twice a year is different than running a year round show. Up until the last couple of year, even NJPW struggled to draw for the big shows once every month or two, what makes you think WWE could? At the end of the day, it's going to incredibly hard for WWE to have a program in Japan that makes money, even if that just means making more money on the Network and losing it at the gate. The reason that this would happen, though, is that even past the big difference between Vince and New Japan being "Vince is never satisfied with second", it's not the difference that means Vince could succeed in Asia or Japan. The REAL big difference that means Vince can succeed is, quite simply: The difference in stardom between both promotions is incredibly big, and it's too big a difference for New Japan to run. When it comes down to it: New Japan's biggest names to build around- Tanahashi, Okada, Bullet Club, etc.- are the biggest names in Japanese wrestling and stars in Japan...but, in the United States, all those top New Japan names peak at "strong cult following, beloved by smarks and hardcore wrestling fans...but even the CASUAL American pro wrestling fan has barely heard of them at best (let alone non-fans.). By contrast- any comparable WWE names to that top level aren't just big stars in America...because WWE is so worldwide a company, they'd also be huge stars in Japan as well as America. Any main event or upper midcard name in the WWE would likely be on par with those names, if not at the Lesnar/Goldberg of New Japan level parttimer star- in New Japan...and that's just because New Japan's risen to that point it's only that far and you couldn't say the same for a WWE midcard-level person. Even if New Japan (or any smaller promotions) tried to counter WWE in a Japanese brand, New Japan is big enough to bring the fight to WWE- but they also have to be fully aware that if they awaken the sleeping giant of WWE, all it would take is "John Cena's going to NXT Japan for this tour. Randy Orton's coming to NXT Japan for the tour after that. The Shield is coming to NXT Japan for the third tour", and within three tours WWE will have stepped on New Japan's neck.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Dec 28, 2016 2:57:20 GMT -5
All I saw when I initially read this thread title was "Rumors of WWE doing an Asian".
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Post by corndog on Dec 28, 2016 10:56:50 GMT -5
New Japan is obviously trying to build their brand in the US. As you said, they aren't trying to beat Vince in the states, they are just trying to reach a new audience and could, as you said, easily obtain a US fanbase comparable to ROH(if it isn't there already). This is the big difference between Vince and New Japan, Vince is never satisfied with second. The WWE has been doing occasional shows in Japan for decades and as we have seen with NXT, they just got done touring there. I don't think NJPW has ever really had a problem with this, since they rarely, if ever, compete with shows they are running. They have a pretty strong unspoken no-compete clause. But if he decides to run a full time brand in Japan, that would break that "agreement" and would certainly end up running shows against New Japan/NOAH/Dragon Gate. Also, I am sure he would try to raid talent from those organizations. NJPW is already aware of the WWE trying to build Japanese talent and are finally starting to sign talent to multi-year deals. So I am willing to bet NJPW would have no problem running shows against them, just to show them this isn't going to fly in their country. Their chairman is fully aware of Vince's tactics and has even gone on record to say Vince doesn't work with people to help them, he does it to help himself. As you said, WWE's biggest problem would be cultural and I think booking would be part of that. There is demand for WWE events in Japan, which is why the tours there are usually very successful. But doing a tour once/twice a year is different than running a year round show. Up until the last couple of year, even NJPW struggled to draw for the big shows once every month or two, what makes you think WWE could? At the end of the day, it's going to incredibly hard for WWE to have a program in Japan that makes money, even if that just means making more money on the Network and losing it at the gate. The reason that this would happen, though, is that even past the big difference between Vince and New Japan being "Vince is never satisfied with second", it's not the difference that means Vince could succeed in Asia or Japan. The REAL big difference that means Vince can succeed is, quite simply: The difference in stardom between both promotions is incredibly big, and it's too big a difference for New Japan to run. When it comes down to it: New Japan's biggest names to build around- Tanahashi, Okada, Bullet Club, etc.- are the biggest names in Japanese wrestling and stars in Japan...but, in the United States, all those top New Japan names peak at "strong cult following, beloved by smarks and hardcore wrestling fans...but even the CASUAL American pro wrestling fan has barely heard of them at best (let alone non-fans.). By contrast- any comparable WWE names to that top level aren't just big stars in America...because WWE is so worldwide a company, they'd also be huge stars in Japan as well as America. Any main event or upper midcard name in the WWE would likely be on par with those names, if not at the Lesnar/Goldberg of New Japan level parttimer star- in New Japan...and that's just because New Japan's risen to that point it's only that far and you couldn't say the same for a WWE midcard-level person. Even if New Japan (or any smaller promotions) tried to counter WWE in a Japanese brand, New Japan is big enough to bring the fight to WWE- but they also have to be fully aware that if they awaken the sleeping giant of WWE, all it would take is "John Cena's going to NXT Japan for this tour. Randy Orton's coming to NXT Japan for the tour after that. The Shield is coming to NXT Japan for the third tour", and within three tours WWE will have stepped on New Japan's neck. This would be true for any other country/promotion in the world, but not Japan. You have to deprogram yourself from years of watching WWE and being told nothing else was close. Yes, WWE wrestlers like Andre the Giant, Hulk Hogan and Dynamite Kid were massive stars in Japan, but that had more to do with working there for years and learning their style. Hogan and Dynamite were actually big stars in Japan before coming to WWE. That doesn't mean Cena and Orton are bigger than Naito, Tanahashi and Okada in Japan. Cena might be, not really sure, but I bet no one would give a crap about Orton. It's interesting you say New Japan stars aren't big in the US, outside of hardcore fans. Did you know there are less subscriptions for the WWE Network in Japan than NJPW World in the US? I realize the US is a bigger country, but at the end of the day it illustrates my point that WWE isn't much bigger in Japan than NJPW in the US. If there is such a big demand for the top WWE stars in Japan, this simply wouldn't be the case as they could easily see them on the Network. If WWE was trying to compete with NJPW, it would consist of guys like Nakamura, Styles and occasionally bringing in Lesnar. They would need to have someone running things that understands the Japanese market. Running WWE style shows wouldn't work, it wouldn't connect with the fans. The short matches and certain wrestlers just wouldn't translate. Not to say, they don't have guys that couldn't be stars over there. Also their sense of humor is completely different, so crap like the New Day, Enzo/Cass and James Elsworth wouldn't translate at all. The Japanese audience loves three types of wrestlers, big monsters(like Stroman) that can work(Samoa Joe), really good workers(quite a few of those in WWE) and tough guys(?don't see too many guys giving each other stiff forearms and chops in WWE). Basically if WWE just thinks they can bring big guns into Japan, while still using the WWE style, it won't work. Sure, they would draw initially, but long term it would fail. Considering NJPW's size and the fact that people running it understand the WWE and Vince, they would be prepared to weather the storm and I don't see why they wouldn't survive. Now if Vince actually brought in people with experience running and working Japanese shows and did a completely different style that would work in that market, they could be trouble.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 28, 2016 11:34:09 GMT -5
New Japan is declaring war on WWE is setting them up for the fall. Because while they are focusing their attention and resources on them, other puroresu and joshi companies are getting stronger again. And be strong enough to challenge New Japan's stranglehold on Japan. NOAH's show attendences post Suzuki-Gun and New Japan pullout actually went up. All Japan has stabilized themselves and starting to climb out of the hole. Big Japan does solid numbers for a company without big names NJPW has. Plus I wouldn't discount WWE's global ambition not happening in Japan because of the different culture. They got people on the payroll who knows the scene like Funaki, Johnny Ace, and Nakamura. WWE don't make moves like this without a plan. The UK tournament been in motion for a number of years with WWE doing working arrangements with local promotions like RevPro and Progress. They would do the same with Japan if they go that route.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 28, 2016 14:21:56 GMT -5
This would be true for any other country/promotion in the world, but not Japan. You have to deprogram yourself from years of watching WWE and being told nothing else was close. Yes, WWE wrestlers like Andre the Giant, Hulk Hogan and Dynamite Kid were massive stars in Japan, but that had more to do with working there for years and learning their style. Hogan and Dynamite were actually big stars in Japan before coming to WWE. That doesn't mean Cena and Orton are bigger than Naito, Tanahashi and Okada in Japan. Cena might be, not really sure, but I bet no one would give a crap about Orton. It's interesting you say New Japan stars aren't big in the US, outside of hardcore fans. Did you know there are less subscriptions for the WWE Network in Japan than NJPW World in the US? I realize the US is a bigger country, but at the end of the day it illustrates my point that WWE isn't much bigger in Japan than NJPW in the US. If there is such a big demand for the top WWE stars in Japan, this simply wouldn't be the case as they could easily see them on the Network. If WWE was trying to compete with NJPW, it would consist of guys like Nakamura, Styles and occasionally bringing in Lesnar. They would need to have someone running things that understands the Japanese market. Running WWE style shows wouldn't work, it wouldn't connect with the fans. The short matches and certain wrestlers just wouldn't translate. Not to say, they don't have guys that couldn't be stars over there. Also their sense of humor is completely different, so crap like the New Day, Enzo/Cass and James Elsworth wouldn't translate at all. The Japanese audience loves three types of wrestlers, big monsters(like Stroman) that can work(Samoa Joe), really good workers(quite a few of those in WWE) and tough guys(?don't see too many guys giving each other stiff forearms and chops in WWE). Basically if WWE just thinks they can bring big guns into Japan, while still using the WWE style, it won't work. Sure, they would draw initially, but long term it would fail. Considering NJPW's size and the fact that people running it understand the WWE and Vince, they would be prepared to weather the storm and I don't see why they wouldn't survive. Now if Vince actually brought in people with experience running and working Japanese shows and did a completely different style that would work in that market, they could be trouble. First off, if you're going to use the "more people in the US subscribe to NJPW World than more people in Japan subscribe to WWE Network", then it has to be countered by the "New Japan on AXS can only get about 200,000 viewers, for a show that aggregates all of New Japan's best matches (and if New Japan's slightly inflated by Meltzer reviews, it still doesn't change New Japan on AXS can virtually give you a LEGIT five-star match every week) and it's considered a huge success story because they can even get THAT". Throw in that 200,000 is about what Lucha Underground gets each week (and Impact got around 250k before the Broken Hardys got them back into the 350k level), and it likely puts 200,000 people being roughly the magic number of "how many Americans will watch anything that is professional wrestling on TV". Then, as far as star power- even then, WWE is more widespread than anything else and the star power IS something to keep in mind. Even with Brock Lesnar effectively bombing as a New Japan guy when he showed up there for a short run, he was still seen as a huge deal when he went to New Japan to work. If Orton had went to New Japan...heck, even if New Japan got someone like Dolph Ziggler or Bray Wyatt to head there, who are 'good names but nowhere near a bonafide main eventer', those would be huge gets for New Japan and they'd instantly be mixing it up with Okada/Naito/Tanahashi....and honestly, only Yoshitatsu sinking to New Japan's opening match comedy wrestler can just limit it to bonafide WWE main eventers, upper midcarders, and maybe the TOP OF THE MIDCARD guys in WWE as instant New Japan stars. Even with the comedy factor of what Japan values- there's also the issues. Comedy-wise, yes, American comedy and Japanese comedy are very different...but at the same time, a lot of workers in the WWE also recognize that. The fact that Xavier Woods wears how much of an otaku he is on his sleeve makes it clear he knows exactly what Japan tends to value in their comedy...and if he didn't have a full idea, the fact he and Kenny Omega are good friends means he'd have someone who'd know what Japan values in comedy to give him the pointers. Put those together- and yes, yes New Day would ABSOLUTELY be able to refine their comedy for Japanese sensibilities and know what they value as well. Likewise, some of the things that Japan tends to value are also out of wack (like Samoa Joe- who was always notorious on the indy scene for bombing miserably in Japan and being derided as a Takeshi Morishima ripoff [much like how in America, Morishima was derided as a bad Samoa Joe ripoff in ROH]. Then, you bring in Japanese loyalty, and things would make it far worse. Best case scenario, WWE gets Kota Ibushi as their ace in the hole to sign on full-time for a Japanese brand- but his love of staying freelance and still being on good terms with New Japan makes it unlikely.That in itself is a blow...and it becomes far bigger because of the names given? Nakamura would NEVER agree to be used to take out New Japan. Finally, again, it does change the same point with it. WWE bringing big guns into Japan with the WWE style WOULD work, simply because of their star power and the simple fact that...Japanese pro wrestling has something for every type of fan. No matter what type of wrestling you value- there's at least one Japanese promotion who specializes in it, and sometimes a fan just wants to watch a WWE style promotion and see some big stars. With the WWE style, they could have a niche in Japan...but if they give some STAR POWER to Japanese tours, they can take out New Japan.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Dec 28, 2016 15:50:55 GMT -5
I hope they stay the f*** out of Japan. About two years ago or so I was pretty much fed up with wrestling and Japan (Mainly New Japan) is what renewed my interest in a big way. I don't want to see WWE "take out" New Japan. At all. But WWE/McMahon are hellbent on killing what's left of professional wrestling and they're rich enough to do it, sadly.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 28, 2016 17:16:01 GMT -5
wait for the WWE Guammy Bear Championship
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Post by americanoutlaw911 on Dec 28, 2016 20:29:09 GMT -5
What I hoping if this is true that asian Championship is not just china and Japan but have the likes of India and nz be part of it
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Post by nisidhe on Dec 28, 2016 21:14:19 GMT -5
I hope they stay the f*** out of Japan. About two years ago or so I was pretty much fed up with wrestling and Japan (Mainly New Japan) is what renewed my interest in a big way. I don't want to see WWE "take out" New Japan. At all. But WWE/McMahon are hellbent on killing what's left of professional wrestling and they're rich enough to do it, sadly. It's for this reason that I not only do not want WWE to succeed in Japan, but also I would like to see New Japan make some inroads in North America. I think they can do it big-time if a) they refuse to make any reference to WWE's stars and championships, instead touting their own lineages and the names that were made in Japan; and b) if they maintain their current approach to wrestling as a sporting endeavour with rules to be followed and consequences that occur when they are broken. It would give other North American promotions an alternative creative model to emulate and might force WWE to focus more on its primary product rather than on its expansionist plans into other areas of entertainment. With a better-organized and more committed New Japan on the board (who would not be beholden to a parent company whose fortunes or interest in wrestling could change at any moment), WWE would need to go back to doing what made it its fortune in the first place - promoting pro wrestling.
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Post by 魔界5号 on Dec 28, 2016 21:31:22 GMT -5
They would probably just establish a deal or flat out buy out a smaller puro company rather than go through the pain of seeking out freelance guys to fill all the spots. I doubt Vince would actually go for this anyway. New Japan rules the Japanese market by miles and will continue to for years to come. The main reason for the UK tournament is because there's a huge and largely untapped fan base over here and ITV just announced the World Of Sport revival.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 28, 2016 23:15:17 GMT -5
I could see them changing it to an Asian Cup to include at least Bin Wang and Ho Ho Lun, as well as try to expand the Indian Market. WWE did sign 2 wrestlers from India Last year no? Then you bring in a healthy Itami, Nakamura, Tajiri, Tozawa and offer Ibushi.
After that? Daisuke Sekimoto would be at the top of my list. Then I'd look at Kento Miyahara, BxB Hulk, YAMATO, Eita, Katsuhiko Nakajima, Go Shiozaki, and Daichi Hashimoto to name a few
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Post by corndog on Dec 29, 2016 0:54:46 GMT -5
I could see them changing it to an Asian Cup to include at least Bin Wang and Ho Ho Lun, as well as try to expand the Indian Market. WWE did sign 2 wrestlers from India Last year no? Then you bring in a healthy Itami, Nakamura, Tajiri, Tozawa and offer Ibushi. After that? Daisuke Sekimoto would be at the top of my list. Then I'd look at Kento Miyahara, BxB Hulk, YAMATO, Eita, Katsuhiko Nakajima, Go Shiozaki, and Daichi Hashimoto to name a few I think WWE's best interest would be to build in the untapped and massive, Chinese and Indian markets. If they tried to build a brand in those countries it would completely make sense. At the very least try to get some tv over there, catering to those markets.
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Post by corndog on Dec 29, 2016 1:01:01 GMT -5
This would be true for any other country/promotion in the world, but not Japan. You have to deprogram yourself from years of watching WWE and being told nothing else was close. Yes, WWE wrestlers like Andre the Giant, Hulk Hogan and Dynamite Kid were massive stars in Japan, but that had more to do with working there for years and learning their style. Hogan and Dynamite were actually big stars in Japan before coming to WWE. That doesn't mean Cena and Orton are bigger than Naito, Tanahashi and Okada in Japan. Cena might be, not really sure, but I bet no one would give a crap about Orton. It's interesting you say New Japan stars aren't big in the US, outside of hardcore fans. Did you know there are less subscriptions for the WWE Network in Japan than NJPW World in the US? I realize the US is a bigger country, but at the end of the day it illustrates my point that WWE isn't much bigger in Japan than NJPW in the US. If there is such a big demand for the top WWE stars in Japan, this simply wouldn't be the case as they could easily see them on the Network. If WWE was trying to compete with NJPW, it would consist of guys like Nakamura, Styles and occasionally bringing in Lesnar. They would need to have someone running things that understands the Japanese market. Running WWE style shows wouldn't work, it wouldn't connect with the fans. The short matches and certain wrestlers just wouldn't translate. Not to say, they don't have guys that couldn't be stars over there. Also their sense of humor is completely different, so crap like the New Day, Enzo/Cass and James Elsworth wouldn't translate at all. The Japanese audience loves three types of wrestlers, big monsters(like Stroman) that can work(Samoa Joe), really good workers(quite a few of those in WWE) and tough guys(?don't see too many guys giving each other stiff forearms and chops in WWE). Basically if WWE just thinks they can bring big guns into Japan, while still using the WWE style, it won't work. Sure, they would draw initially, but long term it would fail. Considering NJPW's size and the fact that people running it understand the WWE and Vince, they would be prepared to weather the storm and I don't see why they wouldn't survive. Now if Vince actually brought in people with experience running and working Japanese shows and did a completely different style that would work in that market, they could be trouble. First off, if you're going to use the "more people in the US subscribe to NJPW World than more people in Japan subscribe to WWE Network", then it has to be countered by the "New Japan on AXS can only get about 200,000 viewers, for a show that aggregates all of New Japan's best matches (and if New Japan's slightly inflated by Meltzer reviews, it still doesn't change New Japan on AXS can virtually give you a LEGIT five-star match every week) and it's considered a huge success story because they can even get THAT". Throw in that 200,000 is about what Lucha Underground gets each week (and Impact got around 250k before the Broken Hardys got them back into the 350k level), and it likely puts 200,000 people being roughly the magic number of "how many Americans will watch anything that is professional wrestling on TV". Then, as far as star power- even then, WWE is more widespread than anything else and the star power IS something to keep in mind. Even with Brock Lesnar effectively bombing as a New Japan guy when he showed up there for a short run, he was still seen as a huge deal when he went to New Japan to work. If Orton had went to New Japan...heck, even if New Japan got someone like Dolph Ziggler or Bray Wyatt to head there, who are 'good names but nowhere near a bonafide main eventer', those would be huge gets for New Japan and they'd instantly be mixing it up with Okada/Naito/Tanahashi....and honestly, only Yoshitatsu sinking to New Japan's opening match comedy wrestler can just limit it to bonafide WWE main eventers, upper midcarders, and maybe the TOP OF THE MIDCARD guys in WWE as instant New Japan stars. Even with the comedy factor of what Japan values- there's also the issues. Comedy-wise, yes, American comedy and Japanese comedy are very different...but at the same time, a lot of workers in the WWE also recognize that. The fact that Xavier Woods wears how much of an otaku he is on his sleeve makes it clear he knows exactly what Japan tends to value in their comedy...and if he didn't have a full idea, the fact he and Kenny Omega are good friends means he'd have someone who'd know what Japan values in comedy to give him the pointers. Put those together- and yes, yes New Day would ABSOLUTELY be able to refine their comedy for Japanese sensibilities and know what they value as well. Likewise, some of the things that Japan tends to value are also out of wack (like Samoa Joe- who was always notorious on the indy scene for bombing miserably in Japan and being derided as a Takeshi Morishima ripoff [much like how in America, Morishima was derided as a bad Samoa Joe ripoff in ROH]. Then, you bring in Japanese loyalty, and things would make it far worse. Best case scenario, WWE gets Kota Ibushi as their ace in the hole to sign on full-time for a Japanese brand- but his love of staying freelance and still being on good terms with New Japan makes it unlikely.That in itself is a blow...and it becomes far bigger because of the names given? Nakamura would NEVER agree to be used to take out New Japan. Finally, again, it does change the same point with it. WWE bringing big guns into Japan with the WWE style WOULD work, simply because of their star power and the simple fact that...Japanese pro wrestling has something for every type of fan. No matter what type of wrestling you value- there's at least one Japanese promotion who specializes in it, and sometimes a fan just wants to watch a WWE style promotion and see some big stars. With the WWE style, they could have a niche in Japan...but if they give some STAR POWER to Japanese tours, they can take out New Japan. It's pretty obvious we aren't ever going to agree or even move closer to the middle, so it's getting pointless going in circles. The only thing I will say, is I NEVER said NJPW has a massive following in the US and could ever come close to competing with WWE in North America.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Dec 29, 2016 1:03:58 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with a tournament featuring Japanese talent, but calling it the "Cherry blossom Cup o'Noodles Kaiju Gundam Underage schoolgirl panties tentacle monster" classic is really pandering.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 29, 2016 8:03:41 GMT -5
I could see them changing it to an Asian Cup to include at least Bin Wang and Ho Ho Lun, as well as try to expand the Indian Market. WWE did sign 2 wrestlers from India Last year no? Then you bring in a healthy Itami, Nakamura, Tajiri, Tozawa and offer Ibushi. After that? Daisuke Sekimoto would be at the top of my list. Then I'd look at Kento Miyahara, BxB Hulk, YAMATO, Eita, Katsuhiko Nakajima, Go Shiozaki, and Daichi Hashimoto to name a few I don't see Nakajima and Miyahara being part of it since they are the new leaders of NOAH and All Japan respectly. I do see them getting some freelancers and folks on their way out their home promotions filling out things.
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Post by MrElijah on Dec 29, 2016 9:20:34 GMT -5
I could see them changing it to an Asian Cup to include at least Bin Wang and Ho Ho Lun, as well as try to expand the Indian Market. WWE did sign 2 wrestlers from India Last year no? Then you bring in a healthy Itami, Nakamura, Tajiri, Tozawa and offer Ibushi. After that? Daisuke Sekimoto would be at the top of my list. Then I'd look at Kento Miyahara, BxB Hulk, YAMATO, Eita, Katsuhiko Nakajima, Go Shiozaki, and Daichi Hashimoto to name a few The WWE Pan-Pacific Cup? The All Asia Grand Prix?
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Post by americanoutlaw911 on Dec 29, 2016 10:38:56 GMT -5
If this is asia and they need have non japan wrestlers for it here are some guys who could take part Reuben de Jong(NZ) Baadshah Pehalwan Khan(Pakistan) Andruew Tang(singapore) Sangram Singh(India) Saurav Gurjar(India)
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