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Post by Eunös ✈ on Dec 29, 2016 20:13:32 GMT -5
Ah, cool beans My mistake
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Dec 29, 2016 20:15:11 GMT -5
I quite enjoyed the 1998 Royal Rumble personally.
It was a bit of a strange one with guys like Bradshaw (Pre JBL Main event days) and 8 Ball getting marathon runs but I still thought it was a pretty decent one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 20:23:53 GMT -5
1994 It's amazing how Undertaker never got revenge over any of the other guys who helped Yokozuna. You would think they would have had him go through them all to get back to Yokozuna last. I also wish it was better explained why certain guys helped out. Crush, Tenryu and Kabuki made sense since they were aligned with Fuji but the other guys had nothing to do with him. Must've cost Fuji a fortune. No wonder he couldn't afford those suits anymore. Due to time constraints Jack Tunney shortens the intervals to 90 seconds. I think they just knew this wasn't a star studded Rumble and were trying to get it over with. The Steiners both look like "Tired of your shit, McMahon" at this point. Scott just kinda shoves Samu off the apron after he goes over the top. It took Diesel to finally wake the crowd up. When I was a kid I thought Kabuki wasn't the real Kabuki and they just put paint on Pat Tanaka Greg Valentine was such a random entrant here. Was shocked to read that he actually had a few more house show appearances during the summer. I thought he was one and done. Jack Tunney takes his sweet time coming out while his two top officials are arguing over the winner. I was at the '94 Rumble, and......I don't know if it was just me, but half the Rumble roster coming out to attack Taker really made the Rumble match a bit boring. We just saw them all. People seemed a bit more excited to see other wrestlers, I'd thought. And I know everyone remarks about Diesel's career saving pop, but I remember Valentine getting a loud pop when he came out. He was always rather popular in the Northeast, but since i...think he was a last minute entrant, it always made me wonder how so many people popped that loud for him that night.
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Post by jason1980s on Dec 29, 2016 21:12:03 GMT -5
Valentine was announced for the rumble pretty early on. I guess he was another guy that Vince could count of to be available last minute, reliably. Honkytonk would be similar.
Nikolai was a last minute replacement for Marty Jannetty. He was announced during the intro to the PPV. I don't think really mentioned as a Marty replacement, though but the pre-show announced a replacement would be made. Same goes for Haku for Knobs, I don't think Knobs was ever mentioned on the show.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 29, 2016 21:22:55 GMT -5
1999
Shirtless Vince reminds me of Steve Reeves as Hercules for some reason
Michael Cole mentions that they're trying to get a camera back into the area where The Corporation jumped Austin. Which was the women's restroom. So Michael Cole mentions they're trying to get a camera in the ladies room. Creepy bastard.
Tony Garea helping Austin get medical attention is probably the reason why he hasn't been inducted into the Hall of Fame yet
Seems like hundreds of people were standing outside watching Austin get put in a limo.
Mabel steals Mosh's spot. Mabel's short ass mohawkish hairdo looks weird as f***. Where was Thrasher to have Mosh's back?
Meanie just put Mabel's hand on his own throat.
Bradshaw: So, Taker, which guy should we abduct next? Mabel?!? Really?!?
Ministry Undertaker was pretty bad ass though.
The Ministry takes out Mabel and Road Dogg stands there like a bad ass like he did something
In one year's time Kurrgan goes from looking like a monster to an absolute goof
Goldust looks like he's wearing a fake beard at times here
Showing the Ministry shoving Mabel into the hearse as a way to reveal that Austin's ambulance was coming back was actually a really nice trick
Triple H's green and black tights are still amazing. Hated when he started using non-DX colors while still with the group.
I was just saying "I don't remember Owen getting eliminated" and he comes in at 29.
Shocking that D'Lo outlasts Triple H
Funny how Vince says whoever eliminates Austin will only get $100,000 and not get to join the Corporation. Guess he wasn't a fan of Owen or D'Lo.
Watching this actually made me shocked that Shane was never in the Rumble
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Dec 29, 2016 22:28:53 GMT -5
Vince's commentary during the 99 Rumble is pretty funny throughout, actually.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 30, 2016 1:10:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure why Mascaras would be eliminated when he went through the middle rope first before jumping off the top turnbuckle Kayfabe explanation:The top turnbuckle is considered 'in bounds' so, regardless of how you get up there, jumping from the top turnbuckle to the floor is considered going over the top rope. Real life explanation:Máscaras flat-out refused to put anybody over, even in a one-off appearance in another company's battle royal, and so had to eliminate himself rather than allow anybody else to do it. Gonna take a guess that it was his normal routine to go through the ropes and climbing the turnbuckles rather than climbing up from the inside of the ring.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 30, 2016 1:14:09 GMT -5
Valentine was announced for the rumble pretty early on. I guess he was another guy that Vince could count of to be available last minute, reliably. Honkytonk would be similar. Nikolai was a last minute replacement for Marty Jannetty. He was announced during the intro to the PPV. I don't think really mentioned as a Marty replacement, though but the pre-show announced a replacement would be made. Same goes for Haku for Knobs, I don't think Knobs was ever mentioned on the show. Both replacements were announced by Gorilla during the opening match. He mentions Jannetty being out with a concussion and contusions due to the Barber Shop incident and Knobbs being out with a separated shoulder (in reality recovering from being stabbed by a group of fans who attacked the Nasty Boys and IRS after a house show) with Volkoff and Haku then being mentioned as the respective replacements.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 30, 2016 1:21:15 GMT -5
Kama in the Final Four is weird. Never saw him as anything but midcard. Wow, he was actually in the final 3. He wasn't supposed to be, but The Ringmaster lost his grip on the ropes and got eliminated early, so they subbed one DiBiase protege for another. What an inauspicious beginning for perhaps the greatest performer in Royal Rumble history.
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Post by fg on Dec 30, 2016 14:51:06 GMT -5
I'm not sure why Mascaras would be eliminated when he went through the middle rope first before jumping off the top turnbuckle Kayfabe explanation:The top turnbuckle is considered 'in bounds' so, regardless of how you get up there, jumping from the top turnbuckle to the floor is considered going over the top rope. Real life explanation:Máscaras flat-out refused to put anybody over, even in a one-off appearance in another company's battle royal, and so had to eliminate himself rather than allow anybody else to do it. Gonna take a guess that it was his normal routine to go through the ropes and climbing the turnbuckles rather than climbing up from the inside of the ring. Yes, he did it even though it made him look dumb in the eyes of some people.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 30, 2016 19:32:37 GMT -5
2000
This may sound crazy but I think the more casual laidback Rock in 1998 was better than what I see here. It's like he's trying too damn hard and isn't oozing the same kind of charisma he had.
Jerry Lawler "What poor schmuck is this?" before #2 comes out and it's Grandmaster Sexay
Oh yeah, this is the Rumble with the constant interruptions....
Mosh's bra falls off and there's no censor bar. Pfft.
Jim Ross really seems to love "Rah Kishi"
Sunglasses make Rikishi unable to resist dancing
Rikishi apparently took the advice "Sometimes you have to show your ass" literally
Oh yeah, this is the era of "[Insert Person's Name] Driver" as a good enough name for a finisher
Rikishi and Viscera here to make up for that long lost Men on a Mission/Headshrinkers feud that never happened
It's amazing to me how Bossman was able to fit in with the 2000s just as well as he did in the late 80s-early 90s, maybe even better.
Hey, it's the "I forgot my gear" era of the British Bulldog
Bob Backlund comes out in what looks like boxer shorts. This is why you weren't in the Rumble, Taka! Enjoy your concussion!
Edge literally just spanked Crash Holly....k...
at this point I think Chyna is the biggest star in this match. No offense to Jericho but he was still fairly new.
And she's already out of the match...
The Mean Street Posse going after Faarooq like he owes them money
"This crowd is on their feet." Yeah, I think they want to leave.
Road Dogg comes in like a house of fire and suddenly "Dick Punch!" and he's down
Either a "We Want Puppies" or a "We Want Rocky" chant has broken out, not sure which. Not sure the fans do either.
Road Dogg eliminates The Bulldog. I guess that makes him the Top Dog.
Funaki's back to avenge the death of Taka
Jerry Lawler admits to looking at Prince Albert's penis
I thought Bradshaw was a hungover Steve Blackman for a second
This Rumble is so exciting that they've replayed Taka's injury 4 times now
X-Pac tries to pull a Stone Cold by sneaking back in while the referees were distracted. Just think, we could have had another Final Four situation.
Let us all remember that the Big Show really won this Rumble
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Post by chronocross on Dec 30, 2016 19:45:10 GMT -5
I liked the 2000 Rumble, it was okay, some of the things that stood out to me:
-That wide camera shot of the MSG crowd clapping along with Too Cool & Rikishi (man they were over). -Test was still fairly popular around this time even after the Steph/HHH angle. -They must have shown Taka hitting his head on the floor like 10 times during the Rumble, Lawler's "Chinese hospital" comment we could have done without. -The only guy that could have won that Rumble was Rock, even though he feared Headbanger Mosh & Crash Holly. -X-Pac took a sick flat back bump to the floor and jumped back in the ring like it was nothing, damn.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 30, 2016 20:47:38 GMT -5
Taka's face plant gets replayed just about every year in the pre-Rumble video package, just as it should. If it were up to me it would get its own split-screen replay during every year's Rumble match. Just because. Yes, he did it even though it made him look dumb in the eyes of some people. When a washed-up Mexican legend wants to make himself look like a fool because he's too selfish to make anybody else look good you let him.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 30, 2016 21:35:55 GMT -5
2001
The Chyna injury angle really killed the crowd.
I really hate the "Earned the right to be #30" thing that they did a few years in a row. Takes away some of the surprise, even though you can typically figure out who #30 is just by who is left.
I actually watched both live showings of Drew Carey's improv PPV. They did one for the east coast and one for the west coast. One of the final bits on the east coast version was Drew and another guy doing an improv sketch while blindfolded and they had to walk shoeless across a stage filled with mouse traps. Drew got REALLY hurt. When the west coast feed came around they started introing it and Drew went "No....we don't have time!" and they scrubbed the whole thing.
I didn't mind Drew Carey getting scared and eliminating himself but I didn't like him immediately ignoring what was going on and shaking hands with the fans.
So much garbage in the ring. It's kind of distracting.
Perry Saturn looking like he actually wants to kill anyone and everyone
"Raven decides to mount the Big Red Machine" heh
"Raven finally gets Kane down to his knees" Oh my!
Looking at Al Snow's tights reminds me of the rumor going around that Jim Cornette was coming back to manage Al Snow and Steve Blackman when someone misread "Cometh" on the back of Al's tights as "Cornette"
It's The Honky Tonk Man again to steal a spot. Both members of Lo Down could have been in the match if Drew and Honky didn't show up
Maybe The Goodfather should come back and team with The Good Brothers. Then they can go out and get a Good Burger.
Tazz gets completely punked out. I forgot that he had switched from the singlet to that shirt and pants outfit.
All of a sudden a really random transition to a replay of Tazz's elimination with no mention of it by the announce team
"What do you think of The Hardcore Holly now?" The?
They still hadn't re-recorded K-Kwik's theme song even though Road Dogg had been fired already
I actually liked "White Pants and Tie" Val Venis in the Right to Censor. I wonder why he switched to the black pants and tie.
Big Show was definitely a huge surprise. I had completely forgotten about his brief hiatus
Jim Ross says 120 seconds is less than 2 minutes
Kane and Taker kick Scotty's ass and his hat never comes off!
This was actually a much more star studded Rumble than the last few years. Would be hard to really pick a winner. Especially since Angle was champ at the time.
I remember Haku being one of the worst kept secrets ever
It keeps sounding like King and JR are saying "Canin' the Undertaker"
Rikishi eliminating The Undertaker is still a huge shock
Billy Gunn in the Final Four? Did someone fall out by mistake?
The logic final two would have been Austin and Rock but I guess since that wound up being the Mania main event it would have been overkill.
Rock throws Kane through the ropes defying all logic
Definitely one of the more exciting Rumble finishes over the last few
I still hate Austin using a chair to beat Kane though. Although I guess he did use a clothesline for the actual elimination. I had remembered it wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 22:44:41 GMT -5
1999 In one year's time Kurrgan goes from looking like a monster to an absolute goof Shoot, look at Rumble 98 (where he rips the football helmet in two) and go forward 6 months when the Oddities were formed. (Don Callis/The Jackyl said somebody saw Kurrgan at a club dancing with his wife and said that would be his new gimmick. The whole time, Don is trying to get Kurrgan to stop because he looked idiotic.)
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Post by fg on Dec 30, 2016 22:57:53 GMT -5
1994 It's amazing how Undertaker never got revenge over any of the other guys who helped Yokozuna. You would think they would have had him go through them all to get back to Yokozuna last. I also wish it was better explained why certain guys helped out. Crush, Tenryu and Kabuki made sense since they were aligned with Fuji but the other guys had nothing to do with him. Must've cost Fuji a fortune. No wonder he couldn't afford those suits anymore. Due to time constraints Jack Tunney shortens the intervals to 90 seconds. I think they just knew this wasn't a star studded Rumble and were trying to get it over with. The Steiners both look like "Tired of your shit, McMahon" at this point. Scott just kinda shoves Samu off the apron after he goes over the top. It took Diesel to finally wake the crowd up. When I was a kid I thought Kabuki wasn't the real Kabuki and they just put paint on Pat Tanaka Greg Valentine was such a random entrant here. Was shocked to read that he actually had a few more house show appearances during the summer. I thought he was one and done. Jack Tunney takes his sweet time coming out while his two top officials are arguing over the winner. I was at the '94 Rumble, and......I don't know if it was just me, but half the Rumble roster coming out to attack Taker really made the Rumble match a bit boring. We just saw them all. People seemed a bit more excited to see other wrestlers, I'd thought. And I know everyone remarks about Diesel's career saving pop, but I remember Valentine getting a loud pop when he came out. He was always rather popular in the Northeast, but since i...think he was a last minute entrant, it always made me wonder how so many people popped that loud for him that night. That pop was career-saving? Wow! About the ending of the RR match, I think we can all see that Bret landed first. Because doing spots where both people land on the floor at the same time is almost impossible, WWE was smart enough to show a number of inconclusive replays and have cameramen and referres so far away that they couldn't show conclusive replays. now if this was TNA, they would be dumb enough to have cameramen and referres close by.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 31, 2016 0:18:05 GMT -5
2002
This is the last Rumble before they got the F out
Vince McMahon takes a selfie with Ric Flair during their Street Fight
Michael Cole looks like he just got kicked out of 98 Degrees
HBK at WWF New York wearing a cowboy hat and a Texas flag shirt. How did he make it out of there alive?
Goldust enters at #2 just so they can do his full entrance
I'm trying to remember if it was this year or the next where suddenly everyone and their mother was doing the "go over the top and hang on the rope while your feet almost touch" spot. It started to get really overdone.
Is this also that brief period where The Big Bossman was just "The Bossman" or am I making that up?
if Goldust teamed up with Lance Storm would they be called Dust Storm?
after Matt Hardy came down during the next countdown they might as well have just said "okay, here comes Jeff" before it hit 0
only one referee seems to care that Lita got in the ring
Maven looks like someone deflated Papa Shango and took his facepaint off
The Hardys are sore losers
Taker pushes the cameraman and he dies apparently
Taker totally just stole popcorn
Christian vs. Scotty 2 Hotty could be a main event anywhere in the world. But most likely only in Guam.
During DDP's entrance someone holds up a sign that says "Some Jew Guy"
During the "W-O-R-M" chant they cut to a guy shooting the double bird
Saturn has the Milkcow Blues
Remember when they changed Val Venis' name to The Big Valbowski for some reason? What was up with that?\\
HHH vs. Austin at Wrestlemania is something that should have happened at least once
Angle, Austin, HHH and Hennig could've been Double A vs. Quadruple H
Finisherpalooza
Austin is a sore loser
I feel like the ending could have gone a lot faster. The whole thing with Austin attacking everyone was really only to keep Austin looking strong.
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Post by sfvega on Dec 31, 2016 7:02:24 GMT -5
I'm rewatching all the Rumbles in order, the vast majority of them for the first time. I'm at 2001 right now. He's the important stuff I picked up.
-In 1996, Barry Horowitz enters and two guys in the crowd go nuts and start dancing to his theme. This was clearly the highlight of the night for them, and having watched the whole show, for me as well.
-In 2000, the Mean Street Posse does a run-in. Pete Gas is involved in about 7 seconds of the Rumble match. His job is to slide in the ring, get punched in the face, and get thrown out. He manages to do one of those things, and honestly he almost f***s that up. He appears to injure himself by jumping neck-first into the bottom rope and then on the way out, he gets tangled in the ropes. So bad.
-Also in the 2000 Rumble, Grandmaster Sexay is one of the first guys in, and it never occured to me how many times I've heard Jim Ross say "Grandmaster Sexay." He says it like 20 times here, and it's still weird to me. It's just one of those things that's only weird if you think about how ridiculous it is, but then you can't stop thinking about how weird it is.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 31, 2016 10:22:27 GMT -5
2003
Another Rumble where the winner is telegraphed from a million miles away. Brock has to fight for a spot in the match first. I always wondered how the number drawing would work in kayfabe. Did everyone else have to wait to draw their numbers until the winner of this match was decided or did they just have a number set aside for the winner of this match?
Oh great, another year when we know who is coming out at a specific number
Christian posing as Jericho was a pretty neat trick but I think it would have been a lot jerkier of Jericho to low blow Shawn and immediately throw him out.
I actually really liked Christopher Nowinski and thought they should have moved him into a manager role after he couldn't wrestle anymore. I always fantasy booked him managing Chris Masters, Rob Conway, and Cade and Murdoch since all of those guys really didn't cut amazing promos
I'm pretty sure both of Edge's feet just touched the floor but I don't have the patience to slow it down to see
Edge and Christian were still brothers at this point
Edge is lucky that he didn't break Nowinski's face or his own elbow with that mistimed double top rope dropkick from him and Mysterio
Mysterio goes out rather quickly. Shocking.
Was he B Squared or B2 at this point? Such confusion over a simple name. Nevermind, he's already out.
I wonder what Broken Matt Hardy Version 1 would be like
Oof, Eddie Guerrero was not looking great during his entrance
"I can battle you naked with no clothes off" huh?
It's funny how they made Tazz and Cole just sit there and not do anything while JR and King did commentary
Just realized that JR acknowledged that Rikishi and Jamal were brothers
A-Train shoots two snot rockets as he's making his entrance
They should have called Maven "Maven Berry" and made him the cousin of Chuck Berry
Everything kind of stalls at this point. It's clear they're all waiting for Brock
Batista looks like a different person entirely here. Almost like Rico took a vial of ooze from TGRI
That F5 to the outside looked way too dangerous
A-Train really seems to dislike Batista's mother....
"Doms Horny 24/7"
Rob Van Dam looks really out of place with the other hosses that are left in there
Jerkass Kane totally f's over RVD and Van Dam goes "*shrugs* oh well"
Final Four is all definite future Hall of Famers
Brock pulls off the sneaky win with a distracted Taker instead of letting them go at it for a bit and giving Brock a decisive win
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Post by thecrusherwi on Dec 31, 2016 10:30:54 GMT -5
1991 I hated the shock of Valentine attacking Bravo as a kid because in New York they had played footage of the Hart/Valentine split to promote a Valentine/HTM match that never wound up taking place. I assumed it was common knowledge that Valentine had turned. Monsoon watches Saba Simba and Rick Martel go over with Martel sneaking back in. He complains about Martel being still in and then asks what happened to Saba Simba. Uhh....you just watched him get eliminated! I wonder why Paul Roma didn't just change his name to "Romeo Roma" when he had his heel turn. I remember reading that Valentine lasting so long was a punishment for him working dates for Herb Abrams in 1990. It's funny because if anything it just helped him get over better as a babyface here, even though he never really got higher than mid-card at this point. For someone who blinded him just a few months earlier, Jake really doesn't seem all that concerned with Rick Martel, at least not as concerned as he was with Andre or DiBiase. It's amazing how far Tito Santana fell in only a few years. He wasn't even originally scheduled for this Rumble but Buddy Rose was originally. He had been around for 6+ years at this point but was still a solid hand. Guess they could have given his spot to Jerry Sags to make Knobbs' appearance seem less random. They could have done a way better job with the whole Macho King thing. They should have had him come out but keep looking over his shoulder until Warrior eventually comes out and Macho eliminates himself. It's too confusing otherwise. Odd moment where Hogan holds Earthquake so Haku can chop him. Hogan and Haku = Mega Powers II The Hogan/Tugboat thing here and a few months later at Saturday Night's Main Event were really wasted. Tugboat later turns heel and it has nothing to do with Hogan. I'm not sure Rick Martel's elimination should have counted since he went through the ropes and was on the top turnbuckle before getting knocked off. Also pretty weird that they had Knobbs in the final 3 to once again do the same ending sequences from the last 3 Rumbles. Two things: They showed the Valentine babyface turn at the Garden on Prime Time two days after the Rumble. It's such an odd choice and was very confusing to someone not in New York. Though you could've interpreted Valentine's behavior at the Rumble as him having had an off screen argument with Jimmy Hart. Though that wouldn't explain him randomly ditching the Rhythm and Blues look. Speaking of which: I believe Knobbs was a late replacement for the Honky Tonk Man. His absence was VERY noticeable, as he had been the color commentator on Superstars from Thanksgiving 1990 until the day of the Rumble. I remember watching Superstars that day and Honky during a replay of the end of Tugboat's match claiming he was going to "Shake, Rattle, and Roll that fat boy!" In the Rumble.
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